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    The guy may have been crazy/schizo. There are different levels of schizophrenia. He may have been non-compliant with meds up until recently, who knows at this point? All speculative.

    What I do know tho is that the Left will blame the Right for this mofos actions, they'll point to "baby parts" tapes, the inflammatory rhetoric--all of which deserve critivism to be sure--whilst pretending they haven't played their own part in it: calling Repubs anti-woman, saying they stop giving a about you when out of womb.

    Both have instigated this .

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    I don't want every murderer labeled as insane because it takes personal accountability out of the equation, like there is no such thing as just being a horrible person, as if people consumed by rage can't help it. If this guy was schizophrenic for example, no way he survives this long without some paper trail of prescriptions and ins utionalization. The media would be all over it by now.
    Understood.

    In other words sudden rage might be what I am calling snapping. It's still inexcusable because they basically know what they are doing. I understand that. But implying he is some sort of Christian extremist following right wing orders is nuts. This is what I got out of some of the posts.

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    He was sane enough not to hurt himself and to turn himself in...
    Or insane enough to give up knowing what's waiting for him.
    Terrorists wearing vests...

    Human behavior is complex. I just don't find the Christian terrorist characterization implied early in the thread applicable. He definitely did not fall on the grenade for his right wing comrades IMO.
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    Understood.

    In other words sudden rage might be what I am calling snapping. It's still inexcusable because they basically know what they are doing. I understand that. But implying he is some sort of Christian extremist following right wing orders is nuts. This is what I got out of some of the posts.
    If that's what you get from posts here, you might be insane.

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    Christian ISIS, accept my morality, ethics, or I kill you.

    White murders a cop, two civilians, walks out.

    If he were black ....
    Im insane...

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    The guy may have been crazy/schizo. There are different levels of schizophrenia. He may have been non-compliant with meds up until recently, who knows at this point? All speculative.

    What I do know tho is that the Left will blame the Right for this mofos actions, they'll point to "baby parts" tapes, the inflammatory rhetoric--all of which deserve critivism to be sure--whilst pretending they haven't played their own part in it: calling Repubs anti-woman, saying they stop giving a about you when out of womb.

    Both have instigated this .
    You gotta be ing kidding me, the left instigated this?

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    Yep, you are.

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    The guy may have been crazy/schizo. There are different levels of schizophrenia. He may have been non-compliant with meds up until recently, who knows at this point? All speculative.

    What I do know tho is that the Left will blame the Right for this mofos actions, they'll point to "baby parts" tapes, the inflammatory rhetoric--all of which deserve critivism to be sure--whilst pretending they haven't played their own part in it: calling Repubs anti-woman, saying they stop giving a about you when out of womb.

    Both have instigated this .
    So the left guilted him into killing those people?

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    Thanks doc.

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    But you can diagnose someone as insane from a couple of news stories....

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    Maybe I can explain myself better, so here I go...

    The rhetoric is inflammatory on both sides. Both doing smear jobs on the other. They create a climate where crazies feel they're going right thing by doing like this.

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    Animal cruelty, looking in neighbors windows, mumbling to neighbors incoherently, inability to live next to people despite looking in windows, mumbling about baby parts

    I will say he cracked as an early guess. I will leave the legal definition of sane out of it and call him crazy. I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist but yeah...
    What I will not do is imply he is of the same mental state as the bombers/shooters in Paris. This was implied earlier in the thread and it's just not the same type of persons or events at all. It really is not.

    So I will go with crazy. They will attempt to try him as sane you can be sure of that.
    Sure thing.

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    If its ideologically motivated, I suppose. I'm not sure if this guy is sane, tho.
    would you consider suicide bombers sane?

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    pro-birthers have blood on their hands for all this and ALL the other anti-abortion terrorist acts since 1977.

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    Ted Cruz says Planned Parenthood terrorist was ‘transgendered leftist activist’

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/ted-cruz-says-planned-parenthood-terrorist-was-transgendered-leftist-activist/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story%29


    90% of Krazy Kruz' Kruz-fellators don't even know WTF he said!

    but they like the rabble-rousing buzzwords, ALWAYS MORE CHRISTIAN TALIBAN HATE!

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    The rhetoric is inflammatory on both sides. Both doing smear jobs on the other. They create a climate where crazies feel they're going right thing by doing like this.
    You Lie, false equivalence.

    The entire GOP is nothing now but a HATE GROUP, spreading fear, paranoia, hate with every ing pronouncement, each based on LIES.

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    would you consider suicide bombers sane?
    That defense will never work for the suicide bomber.

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    Abortion violence's deadly toll spans clinics, kitchen and church

    Here’s a look at those killed in attacks on clinics or abortion providers.
    Dr. David Gunn

    Killed: March 10, 1993
    Pensacola, Fla.
    Gunn, 47, became the first doctor in the U.S. killed during an antiabortion demonstration when he was shot three times in the back while outside a women’s clinic in Pensacola. Gunn was based in Eufaula, Ala., but traveled to clinics in Georgia, Florida and other parts of Alabama to perform abortions. Michael Griffin was convicted of the murder and is serving a life sentence.

    Dr. John Britton (Associated Press)

    Dr. John Britton

    Killed: July 29, 1994
    Pensacola, Fla.
    Britton, 69, and his volunteer driver and escort were shot in the head with a shotgun outside a Pensacola abortion clinic. Paul Hill, a former Christian minister convicted of the killings, once told a television audience, “I'm advocating the consistent theology of the Bible, and that is that we must protect innocent life.”

    James Barrett was slain outside a Pensacola, Fla., abortion clinic in July 1994. (Associated Press)

    James Barrett

    Killed: July 29, 1994
    Pensacola, Fla.
    Barrett, 74, was gunned down along with Dr. John Britton by Paul Hill when they arrived at an abortion clinic in Pensacola. Barrett's wife, June, was injured but survived. Hill was executed by lethal injection on Sept. 3, 2003, becoming the first person put to death in the U.S. for killing an abortion provider.

    Shannon Lowney was killed inside a Planned Parenthood clinic in Brookline, Mass., in 1994. (Associated Press)

    Shannon Lowney

    Killed: Dec. 30, 1994
    Brookline, Mass.
    Lowney, 25, a receptionist at the Boston Planned Parenthood Clinic, was one of two people fatally shot by John C. Salvi III during a rampage that targeted two clinics in Brookline, Mass. Five others were wounded. A judge rejected his lawyers’ arguments that he was insane and sentenced him to life in prison without parole.

    Lee Ann Nichols (Associated Press)

    Lee Ann Nichols

    Killed: Dec. 30, 1994
    Brookline, Mass.
    Like Lowney, the 38-year-old Nichols was a clinic receptionist. As he opened fire on her and others, Salvi shouted, “This is what you get! You should pray the rosary!” He committed suicide in prison in 1996.

    Felicia Sanderson, widow of Robert Sanderson, speaks at a courthouse in July 2005.(Charles Nesbitt / Associated Press)

    Robert Sanderson

    Killed: Jan. 29, 1998
    Birmingham, Ala.
    Sanderson, an off-duty police officer serving as a security guard at a Birmingham clinic, was killed and a nurse critically injured in the first fatal bombing of a U.S. abortion clinic. Eric Rudolph pleaded guilty to that incident and the bombings of an Atlanta abortion clinic, a lesbian nightclub and the 1996 Summer Olympics. Sanderson’s widow, Felicia, told a court she would “never forget the look on my son's face” when she told him his father was dead.

    Dr. Barnett Slepian leaves Amherst town court in this 1989 photo. (James P. McCoy / Associated Press)

    Dr. Barnett Slepian

    Killed: Oct. 23, 1998
    Amherst, N.Y.
    James Kopp, armed with a high-powered rifle, shot Slepian, 52, while the doctor was sitting in his kitchen in upstate New York. Slepian, who had once said of critics, “The more that they come after me, the more I will dig in,” was killed only days after authorities had warned clinics of possible attacks. James Kopp was sentenced to 25 years to life. At sentencing he said, “I wish I could do 10 life sentences or 10 death penalties” to save the unborn.

    Dr. George Tiller speaks at a rally at Tillers clinic in 2002. (Larry Smith / Associated Press)

    Dr. George Tiller

    Killed: May 31, 2009
    Wichita, Kan.
    Tiller, who performed late-term abortions, had received many threats over the years. His Wichita clinic was bombed in 1986; he was shot in both arms while outside the building in 1993. Tiller, 67, was fatally shot while standing in the foyer of his church. His killer, Scott Roeder, was sentenced to life in prison.

    Officer Garrett Swasey was killed at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs. (Associated Press)

    Garrett Swasey

    Killed: Nov. 27, 2015
    Colorado Springs, Colo.
    Swasey, 44, a six-year veteran with the police department at the University of Colorado, Colorado Springs, died Friday after a gunman opened fire at a Planned Parenthood office. Swasey was married and the father of two.

    Jennifer Markovsky

    Killed: Nov. 27, 2015
    Colorado Springs, Colo.
    Markovsky, 35, had accompanied a friend to the clinic, her father told the Denver Post. John Ah-King described his daughter as the mother of two and a kind and lovable person.

    Ke'Arre Marcell Stewart

    Killed: Nov. 27, 2015
    Colorado Springs, Colo.
    Stewart, 29, also was accompanying a friend to the clinic, family spokeswoman Amburh Butler told the Associated Press. Stewart was a military veteran who had served in Iraq and was the father of two daughters, Butler said. She last spoke to him on Thursday, when he sounded upbeat about spending Thanksgiving with friends, Butler said. “He was just a stand-up guy, he would take a bullet for you,” Butler said. “He was the most sincere person I'd ever met.”

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...htmlstory.html

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    Since 1977, when more extreme elements in the anti-abortion movement began attacking clinics and personnel,

    eight doctors or staff members have been killed,

    according to data collected by the National Abortion Federation.

    There have been an additional 17 attempted murders,

    42 bombings,

    186 arson attacks and

    many thousands of violent threats or other illegal acts against abortion clinics.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/us/siege-highlights-security-used-in-abortion-clinics.html

    pro-birth murderous terrorism




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    Since 1977, when more extreme elements in the anti-abortion movement began attacking clinics and personnel,

    eight doctors or staff members have been killed,

    according to data collected by the National Abortion Federation.

    There have been an additional 17 attempted murders,

    42 bombings,

    186 arson attacks and

    many thousands of violent threats or other illegal acts against abortion clinics.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/us/siege-highlights-security-used-in-abortion-clinics.html

    pro-birth murderous terrorism



    So Republicans are every bit as tainted as members of ISIS for their war on choice or war on Proabortion supporters?

    One is a part of the Christian Taliban if one is against abortion?

    How broad is the blame since you found it easy to label them for effectiveness right after Paris?
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    That defense will never work for the suicide bomber.
    that wasn't my question, though

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    that wasn't my question, though
    I would say the Paris bombers are not divorced from reality. Many are younger and still coming to grips concerning their "reason for being". I think they are searching for a cause. They see hope in death. They are zealots.

    The older fellow at the abortion clinic was seemingly not looking to die for a cause. (It's really early so many politicians are staying away from proclaimations making them seem foolish; I am wading in prematurely along with Ted Cruz) I think he snapped. I doubt these killings were to be the centerpiece of his reason for living.

    So I would call him crazy as I can't torture animals or shoot up innocent people. But like baseline bumb stated, he may just be an angry old man who I call crazy but is not divorced from reality. And as far as a definition for reality, I don't know what the courts say.

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    Do we have links to the places of worship that funded this guy, if so, close em down and make arrests. They could be in Brussels right now. Secure the border? And I'm out.

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    You're quite the psychologist

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