Before this thread, the thread comparing Kawhi evolution to Parker's, and one about OP's screenshots justifying Parker last shot against Knicks...my Parker's post average was way less than 0 per day in six months.
Just fast forwarded through that quarter. Harden guarded Kawhi for 13 possessions from about the 6:60 min mark to the 1 min mark. Tony actually hit him 2 out first 3 possessions. Tony was subbed out at 5:23 for "MVPatty." In total, they went to Kawhi 7 times out of 13. During the sequence, Patty ignored Kawhi 3 times and Boris ignored him once. Each time, Kawhi was in a perfect spot to exploit the mismatch.
"Blame Tony!"
This is why Mills isn't a starter. Worse tunnel vision than Parker.
Are you dumb? I criticized that shot to no end. The play itself wasn't too bad (wasn't a great play) since it got Tony one-on-one with Porzingis and an lane to drive, but he inexplicably took the dumbass jumper.
Damn...Did you really do it?
"Kawhi-Bowen role" "but he might only get less than 10"
I brought up the 2007 run to show you an example of the best player on a deep le team (Duncan) taking about 14 shots per game (Kawhi is at 14.9 this season). Note: Duncan was still the highest usage player on the team and took the most shots, so I don't know where you're getting the idea of how that relates to me advocating Parker getting 19 shots per game this season.
I still don't think you understand how I am using this game as an example. See, when you have a deep team with 4 or 5 legitimate scorers, there's times where one or two of those scorers will have an off night or be limited, so to compensate, a player lower on the totem pole has to step up and pick up the slack. Parker being a threat for a 25/30 point game will be a huge weapon to have against other deep teams like Golden State. That's how team sports work. I'm not advocating Parker be first in the pecking order, but in some cases he's going to have to be.
I might change my mind about his 3rd scorer role if Duncan and/or Manu get into a groove, but I'm not counting on that due to their age and roles.
I hope I spoke clearly enough for you to understand. Everyone else seemed to catch onto what I was implying rather quickly.
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Ignoring everything I said to deflect with a technicality.
For 95% of the game Ariza or Brewer was on Kawhi. Harden guards Kawhi so rarely, I don't bother to remember.
I agree, though, that when Harden is on Kawhi, he should get the ball nearly every time, but Parker wasn't the one doing the ignoring.
What now?
How much clearer do I have to be?Damn...Did you really do it?
"Kawhi-Bowen role" "but he might only get less than 10
When I looked at the play closer, it did seem to get the Spurs an advantageous match-up, but Tony managed to it up.The last shot Parker took (which wasn't from a PnR set) was God awful and exemplified "Enrique" and "Hero ball." He took an LMA pass, and off an LMA pick (it still wasn't a PnR play) launched a stupid 18 footer with 7 seconds left on the shot clock as Porzingis was running toward him. Just a brain dead in' play. If this were the playoffs, and that decision had cost us the game, I would be going nuclear on Parker right now.
And what's with this Bowen-Role?
I guess it's due to your poor reading comprehension skills, but me saying Kawhi excels from the Bowen spot is not the same in' thing as me saying he should be in the Bowen role.
And again. Why it's too hard for you to understand that Tim was a proven offensive player/finished product in 2007. Kawhi's not.
If someone wants Kawhi to gain consistency in his game, the team can't iced him for entire quarters, that happens many times and he looks horrible in the next possessions until he gets his rhythm back.
If you can't detect "Damn...Did you really do it? "Kawhi-Bowen role" "but he might only get less than 10
You cherry pick certain games and situations. I've showed you Kawhi leads all Spurs who are not point-guards in front court touches, and it's by 8 per game over LMA. Yes, not all touches are created equal, but when Kobe, Durant, Lebron, etc get a front-court touch, they typically work their way to their spot. Funny enough, I'm glad Kawhi doesn't do this. He understands the Spurs are a unit and won't excel with that kind of ball dominant, iso-oriented play.
Kawhi's usage is only .7 lower than LMA's, who is obviously a more polished offensive player than Kawhi.
Even though Duncan has great defensive metrics, Kawhi is the centerpiece of the Spurs defense. I don't have access to the Spurs playbook or gameplanning philosophy, but I think not burning him out with high offensive usage is part of the plan.
The Spurs are a le contender that go 10 deep. You're not going to see his offense developed like Durant's, Lebron's, Wade's, Curry's etc were. They started their careers on terrible teams and were basically able to ball dominate from day one. You're going to have to accept that Leonard's offensive development will be slower than other top players.
Leonard isn't faultless. I've seen him be indecisive/passive on many possessions this season.
You might have a point that the Spurs should fast-track Leonard's development in this regard if they were 25-14 or something, but they are looking historically good right now.
And Leonard is the leading scorer of the team, so I'm unsure what the problem is outside of some cherry picked quarters.
That was a monster game by Tony. Love it
Work on your jokes next time. I had no clue what you were trying to imply.If you can't detect "Damn...Did you really do it? "Kawhi-Bowen role" "but he might only get less than 10
dabom went kaboom ...
Different day, same story...
Well, it's clear that you don't want to admit there is a tendency here.
In November he had 16.6 FGA, in December 13.1, half January he's taking 12 FGA per game...10 FGA per game is coming after all.
LMA 16.6 FGA and Parker 12 FGA, small size since Parker didn't play in 2 games of the month, but this still shows that they're getting more and more shots than Kawhi.
In LMA's case it was expectable but if Parker's the 3rd option...he's acting like Kawhi is.
But he used it as an example as if it's reliable game after game.So he didn't say it was realistic or sustainable at all.A 13-15 pt 6 ast game would have been better, not a 31 pt game. Especially how mid says that parker is a 3rd option. 3rd options wont score 20 plus most of the time.
Third best offensive player? He was looking like the best offensive player in the team. The starters offense flows around Parker. That is even when he isn't scoring.People are deluded if they think we're beating the Warriors, or even the Clippers and Thunder with a two man attack (Kawhi + LMA) that relegates everyone else to a role player.
Every elite team has a better offensive 1-2 punch than us. Curry + Klay, Lebron + Kyrie, Blake + Paul, Durant + Westbrook. It could even be argued we have the weakest "Big 3" of the elite teams. We aren't winning jack if Tony is relegated to a 9-10ppg role player who just "Gibs the bawl to Kiwi
If Manu and Duncan were 5 years younger, by all means, Tony should be relegated. But like it or not, he's our 3rd best offensive player and he NEEDS to be a threat. This is basically Kawhi's rookie season as "the guy." He hasn't peaked yet offensively. Like other elite offensive players (most of whom were the offensive guy their first day in the league), it took them 2-3 years to really become that guy who can carry a team on their shoulders. Kawhi isn't there yet, and is probably a season or two off from hitting his offensive peak. LMA's been great, but that 33% shooting in last year's playoffs will be a worry. We need a 3rd guy who is a threat to drop 15-20 points somewhat consistently, and the only player really capable of that is Tony (when healthy).
And no, this ain't about re ed crew feuds. Kawhi is still the best overall player on this team, but he's going to need 2 or 3 guns by his side if we're to win this thing. Kawhi isn't just at the offensive level where he can average 30-35 points over a playoff series and make up the difference for teammates under-performing. Curry, Lebron, Durant and Westbrook are all at that level.
I'm surprised that he played this well considering that the previous game he absolutely didn't have any lift.
This is true. Parker, Manu and even Boris can score at the same time be a passing threat. LMA and Kawhi can score but rarely make an assist. Further, the efficiency of LMA and Kawhi drops big time when they force the issue. That's very different from Parker (when he's hot).
It was predictable that the crew would take this game very hard.
Thing is: Had it been Kawhi and not Tony who took and made all these shots in the third quarter, the same people who are complaining now would laugh at anybody trying to suggest that Kawhi should have involved others more.
And it nowhere says in the OP that relying on TP to score 30 PPG on efficient shooting is the way to go. That's just a fabrication of certain posters. Having TP as a reliable 3rd option on most nights would certainly be nice, though, and this is what the OP is saying.
Jesus you're in' stupid. How many times did Manu outscore/outshoot Tim and Tony when he was the 3rd option? Or Tony outscore Manu and Tim when he was the 3rd option? Or Duncan outscore Kawhi and Tony?
And if anything, this game backs up my idea (along with Tony's solid play this season) more than ever before that Tony needs to be that 3rd option scorer if Kawhi/LMA are unproductive in a game. You and your ed brethren want Tony relegated to a Derek Fisher role and/or want to see him injured so a bench warrior like Mills can take his place (great idea
It's clear now. You're a Kawhi fanboy who simply wants to see Tony's role diminished so the team can "gib bawl to Kiwi
Cool. You want to see Kawhi average 25 points per game. I want this team to win the le.
Damn, you are in the head hunting mode, aren't you bro ?
Well, it depends on how you define "offensive." Scoring wise, Tony is behind Kawhi and LMA. Those two still create more matchup problems than Tony at this stage of his career.
If you factor in playmaking, running the offense, etc, then Tony is probably the best offensive player on the team, but you can make that argument for most PGs.
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