Reply With Quote
Or how last season kawhi just choked simple as that , but in 2014 finals doesn't count because the guy he did it against makes guys look good. Kawhi simply stepped up that's all there is to it. Crazy that anyone tries to argue that.
For the same reason that Chinook says "homerism" every time that a guy posts something positive about Kawhi, or call the good articles about him just "narrative".
They can't handle Kawhi's improvements/success. Remember, for them "Kawhi should just trot into the corner and wait"
Last edited by YGWHI; 02-16-2016 at 09:15 PM.
Or how last season kawhi just choked simple as that , but in 2014 finals doesn't count because the guy he did it against makes guys look good. Kawhi simply stepped up that's all there is to it. Crazy that anyone tries to argue that.
I used a spurs player in a spurs forum, so people could relate. It wouldn't make much sense to compare him to a player that the forum wouldn't relate to. People here overrate their players or underate and its usually by quite a margin. I didn't downplay Kawhi, I responded to critics that claim he is far superior to lma. Kawhi did good in the 2014 finals. On the side of lma, people like to claim splutter shut him down. So if we are talking about opponents when it comes to a measuring stick, let's also include that for kawhi. Lebron James turned iguoadala into an MVP over Stephen Curry... let that sink in.
My point from the beginning, is people are grading lma much more harsh than they do someone like Kawhi. When you use that same harsh standard on Kawhi, people call foul. They're both all stars, and top 5 in their position in the NBA. A recent article showed how Kawhi and lma in the last run of games has an production rate that rivaled and/or exceeded other great pairs such as curry/green LeBron/Irving and Westbrook/Durant in that same time frame. They're both great players.
When people talk down on lma, I'll use their same argument against someone they can relate to and see how they stand up. Usually they just throw a fit because the reality is, no one looks good with such harsh standards.
If your first language English? You're not making much sense. Comparing players is how everyone defines players these days, good or bad. You compare to their peers and to the past greats.
But he just used him "as example"...Not Parker, not Manu, not Danny...not even Tim. According to Mnky, Kawhi's the only player in the Spurs history who choked in two playoffs games.
And that's why "he used him". Just imagine something crazy like compare LMA to another big for his position... Imagine if he compares LMA to prime Tim?? Nah...so crazy idea. Better to compare him with a young wing. That makes a ton of sense.
Last edited by YGWHI; 02-16-2016 at 09:44 PM.
I compared LMA to arguably a top 3 player in the NBA. That player is a spur. The point is only made, if the person being compared is actually good despite the harsh criticism. I think you guys are missing that part. If Kawhi was bad, the comparison wouldn't work, as the argument is lma is good. So Kawhi must be good for it to work..
You attacked him not just compare him.
And again, people compare players at the same stage. No one compares 2016 Davis's stats with current Tim stas and says that Davis was/is the better player for those numbers, like no one should compare LMA in his 8th season with Kawhi in his 4th and say that "Kawhi has much worse stats."
LeBron did a pretty bad job making kawhi look good the first 2 games of that series. 9 pts each and was in foul trouble, spurs lose 2nd game and possibly lose 1st game if lebron doesn't go out.
Kawhi stepped up in game 3 putting up a career high and keeping it up the rest of the series. He simply stepped up and you're trying to down play it. But you have no issue saying he choked in the playoffs last season.
Are you saying splitter and lebron are the same level of opponents?
Using Kawhi makes no sense to me. Kawhi barring career ending injury has a good 10 years left in the league, aldridge will likely be done in a little as 3.
I'm not hating on aldridge, we are incredibly lucky to have him. And he's been great as of late. But the comparisons with such a large gap in age and experience in the league between the 2 is pointless.
It's like how people say how kawhi has had more help then aldridge to put him over kawhi. But by that logic you can also put aldridge over parker or manu since aldridge has never had anyone the caliber of prime duncan as a teammate.
Yes, it's entirely fair. Davis is a better player now. No one cares that Tim WAS better. If they were both on the same team and people were talking about who to give the ball to, no one's gonna go to Tim just because he was once the best player in the world.
Only people trying to find their places in the all-time rankings would make that comparison.Most people would think that the best way is to compare Duncan in his 20's/first seasons with Davis...but not you.
It's like you're so completely delusional that you missed the point of what I saying. It makes no difference to this year's team what the career curves of LMA and Kawhi look like. They intersect right now, and right now they're about equal. That Kawhi is going to be much better in seven years than LMA is now is of NO CONSEQUENCE. As of right now, neither one of them is going to carry a team to a le by themselves. But they don't have to, because they have each other. And more importantly, they have a roster full of players who have experience putting a team on their backs for stretches."Who cares what he did before" This is the same to say...we just need to compare the 23 year old player in his 4 th season, with 30 year old player in his 8th season because a player with four years more in the league doesn't gain more experience or get better
Why'd you stop quoting the whole post, btb? It's clear you're right back to taking clips out of context and attacking them.
So I had no idea you even said anything since you didn't quote me. YOU sound like a Kobe fan trying to pretend that Kawhi was the focus of the Clippers' gameplan when he wasn't. As the series went on and it became clear he COULD beat the Clippers mostly by himself, they adjusted. But putting Re on Kawhi for long stretches isn't a gameplan, bro. I don't care what you say.Actually shows how well you don't remeber, in the win in L.A. during the reg season doc specifially mentioned in the post game presser that the clips not having a wing to match up with Kawhi was a problem and they needed to figure something out. So obviously they were game planning for him during that series as he was our best player the second half of that season. You sound like a kobe fan with this argumen. But kobe only chucked 6-24 because all the focus was on him
Aldridge hasn't gotten a chance to play on the biggest stage. Kawhi didn't will the Spurs to the Finals. He was one of many people who played well on the way to get there. Splitter was probably the most important Spur in the first two series, and without him, Kawhi could be ringless with his only Finals appearance being defined by a missed free throw. But keep lambasting LMA for not being on a great team until now. And keep pretending that what Kawhi did in 2014 means he didn't choke last year. You keep blaming Green, and he's playoff chops are also thoroughly vetted. Again, total homerism.No a poster asked why Kawhi gets a perceived pass from the media and fans while aldridge doesn't, because Kawhi has shown up on the biggest stage and LMA hasn't don't know why that's so hard to comprehend.
You're completely willing to give Kawhi individual credit for his team's playoff record and then dock LMA for Lillard making the game-winning shot against Houston. That's the homerism. Kawhi didn't make a single game-winner during that Finals run. He had some clutch plays, and there's no shame in doing your part and making the plays you need to. LMA has his share of amazing plays in big moments, like his step-back three over Howard in OT in Game One. But he was completely overmatched against the Spurs. Splitter is (wasThe spurs have plenty of clutch players who have had multiple big moments and series Parker, Gino, obviously Duncan, even Diaw and Green have had huge moments in the WCF and the finals. LMA had one memorable series in the first round sorry im not going to depend on him to show up when it matters. If you really want to compare the stats of Kawhi and LMA against contenders this year (OKC,CLE,GS) its going to look horrible for LMA, so not like he has shown otherwise this year either.) a much better individual defender than Barnes is. And just as Kawhi struggled against Matt, LMA struggled against Splitter. But the dude still went for 22/10 in that series. Difference is that LMA didn't have a supporting cast who could do much of anything. Batum is a wet noodle in May. Matthews is overrated, and Lillard was only decent. No one was pulling a Tim in that series.
And no, playing well in the regular season against "contenders" isn't proof of anything. LMA has plenty of good tape against those teams from his Portland days, though I suspect you'll discount that because things only count as "biggest moments" when you say they do.
Bic and yg, if you guys used the actual words people say, and not your own "made up" responses, you'd probably be a lot less confused. Comparing LeBron and splitter? Attacked Kawhi, nor just compare?
You guys are literally just quoting your own opinions as what other people said, but didn't.
I'm not making up anything though.Bic and yg, if you guys used the actual words people say, and not your own "made up" responses, you'd probably be a lot less confused. Comparing LeBron and splitter? Attacked Kawhi, nor just compare?
You guys are literally just quoting your own opinions as what other people said, but didn't.
You literally downplayed what kawhi did in the finals, but claim he flat out choked last season. If you're going to claim he choked against the clippers that's fine, but you also have to give him credit for stepping up in the finals.
No. Mnky posted about their playoffs careers and the guys were responding to that post. Kawhi was in his 4th season last playoffs and LMA in his 8th season, it's pretty obvious that a player with 4 more years as pro has more experience and can handle the pressure of playoffs better than a young guy in his first season as "the guy"
But you claim that's homerism and don't care about the context and experience. You said "they both failed last year as first options" like both were at the same stage of their careers and Kawhi had the same experience of LMA being the first option.
It seems like the context matters to say that Kawhi had the best supporting cast but doesn't matter in any other situation....
However, if you never show favoritism/homerism I wonder why you deliberately leave out certain things...
When one guy says "Danny had a bad series in last playoffs", you reply something like "Not the whole series, he had some good games"
But when other guy says "Kawhi choked in the series against Clippers", you don't reply "Not the whole series, he had 4 great games"
You said "And just as Kawhi struggled against Matt, LMA struggled against Splitter. But the dude still went for 22/10 in that series".
But you didn't say "Kawhi still went for 20.3 ppg in that series" when in the Spurs system and Kawhi's FGA, those are really good numbers, even better than LMA's 22/10, if you consider that LMA had higher USG% and more FGA in his playoffs series.
Last edited by YGWHI; 02-18-2016 at 12:11 AM.
Game threadGood read.
I had a longer post typed out to respond to this, but there's not much of a point now.
I just don't think you're keen to have a real conversation about this. No one outside of the Kat Krew is hating on Leonard. Most are very happy with him being the next franchise guy. So when someone says, "LMA did what Kawhi did," that's meant to pump LMA up, not bring Kawhi down. When I say, "Green was the best defender in the 2014 WCF," it's meant to show that Green played DPOY-plus level defense for like 10 straight games, not that Leonard sucked. But you and some of your krew members can't see statements for what they are. You have to make them something you can attack. And it's just bonkers.
Oh he's playing possum!
Coming back from the all star game, he clearly didn't have his mind right. I expect him to get back on track tomorrow. It's shame that his first game back was against a top team but I'm sure he realizes this.
Jefferson also came for the rings & left with his tail b/w his legs.
Well, it's hard to see that when you keep making these crazy comparisons.
Tim in most games of the Finals, Parker in Game 1/5, Neal Game 3, Manu Game 5...Green carried the Spurs for five games of the NBA Finals...The idea that Kawhi was somehow exceptional while the other guys are chokers is absurd
Except for Tim, Kawhi didn't get any help from his teammates in last playoffs, at least not at Parker/Manu/Neal level in those games of the Finals.
Not sure how "that's meant to pump Danny up and not bring Kawhi down" in this thead, I'd call it homerism but we all know that you're not a homer...
But it's fine. You say there is no ill intention behind those posts, zero subtle, so I should trust your words.
We've had a few "big" games so far...has he showed up for any of them?
All it takes is one bad game from a player for half of ST to tuck their tales between their legs and meltdown like Chernobyl. Everyone chill the out. It's one game (where the entire team played lousy). LMA has been ballin out the last month.
Maybe I am slow, but I have just come to the realization that LMA apparently has zero court vision and cannot pass the ball at all.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
