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    Can't do a S&T w/ a 1+1 deal:



    The Raptors would be the perfect landing spot for Boris since they really need a PF & just lost out on Pau.
    That's a shame about the S&T. Another report said they were still working out the details so let's hope that they're being creative, e.g., 2 years guaranteed money + 3rd partially guaranteed.

    Insisting on a 1+1 to be able to test the market again next year seems a bit hubristic for a 36 year old Pau

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    I believe that Diaw's feelings got hurt when they brought in West and he lost minutes. He wasn't the first big off the bench anymore. The more minutes he lost, the more he got miffed and didn't try. And got fat. And if there is anything Pop can't stand is a player that won't compete for his minutes. You could tell how pissed Pop was when he gave Diaw a DNP during the playoffs. Just my take, but jealousy explains a lot.
    Diaw was still the most versatile and talented between him and West but West played a lot more, had a better season and when it was time to go perimeter, Pop started to prefer Anderson. Diaw only got up and competed in a handful of games a season. Still I know Pop wanted to keep him if they could but he wasn't a guy you couldn't spare.

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    Throw in TP and make it a clean sweep...
    Yeah, the band is broken without timmy. Trade tp.
    Can we include Parker in a "fat Frenchies" package?
    All of this...

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    Yeah, and our team would've been even more elite on offense if our starting C could've hit a bucket to save his life. 2nd year is a player option which he will likely opt out of and the cap is exploding. Garbage players like Mozgov are getting 16 million a season. What do you think, given that Duncan decided to retire, the Spurs could've done to get better? This is literally the best they can do with the space they have and he's taking 10 million less to play here. Diaw was last season and Pau costing Boris doesn't mean much unless we're living in the fantasy land that Diaw will have some epic resurgent year in 2017 at 35 and overweight
    What does Mozgov have to do with anything? Just because the Lakers do something dumb, the Spurs get a pass?

    Diaw was crap a lot of the season, but as of now, he was the only crap left on the roster as a backup big.

    Duncan was bad on offense against an OKC team that no longer exists. How would either Duncan or Gasol even stay on the court against GS?

    You couldn't understand the pov of some, I just gave an explanation.

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    GSW's literally traded Bogut within an hour of signing Durant. The Spurs can't even give Diaw away. Spurs assets.

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    So classy. Love Spurs FO. I don't think it was easy to part with Diaw coasting and all. I sympathise with fans who lost a favorite player too. He would love Toronto IMO. Get to roll with Cojo and crew. Yikes.

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    What does Mozgov have to do with anything? Just because the Lakers do something dumb, the Spurs get a pass?

    Diaw was crap a lot of the season, but as of now, he was the only crap left on the roster as a backup big.

    Duncan was bad on offense against an OKC team that no longer exists. How would either Duncan or Gasol even stay on the court against GS?

    You couldn't understand the pov of some, I just gave an explanation.
    But it's not just the Lakers, look around the entire league and see how many scrubs are getting 15 million contracts this summer. I was trying to make a point about teams overpaying in general. And the second line doesn't make sense, because if Duncan retires, then Spurs have no starting C, which is much more of a hole than a backup PF which is probably easier to fill (Anderson can play backup PF, LJC is supposedly coming, etc). And I don't see why everyone thinks GS is gonna run us off the court with their small ass team, Spurs will be crushing them in the paint on the other end imo

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    With minimum salaries or exceptions. You know they renounced Manu when they signed Aldridge right?
    Manu and his agent made it clear he wants to get paid. He is not playing for the minimum. He's probably got offers from other teams too.

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    Manu and his agent made it clear he wants to get paid.
    Where was this?

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    But it's not just the Lakers, look around the entire league and see how many scrubs are getting 15 million contracts this summer. I was trying to make a point about teams overpaying in general. And the second line doesn't make sense, because if Duncan retires, then Spurs have no starting C, which is much more of a hole than a backup PF which is probably easier to fill (Anderson can play backup PF, LJC is supposedly coming, etc). And I don't see why everyone thinks GS is gonna run us off the court with their small ass team, Spurs will be crushing them in the paint on the other end imo
    I know scrubs are getting paid, even though I'd rather have Mahinmi at the same price, which he's basically getting over four years instead of two. I know that would not be a majority preference probably, just giving an example. I would take the defense over the offense.

    But it's not $16+ million for every one. Seems like some were out there which would have allowed for Diaw retention. Aldrich. An offer sheet to Plumlee. Jefferson.

    Bottom line is that while there's a fair argument that Gasol was the best they could do, there is also the argument that they didn't get much better than last year with the Gasol/Duncan switch, and no matter the cir stances, that will be disappointing. Especially on top of the emotions of Duncan probably retiring.

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    Look up the new Manu article in La Nacion that ElNono translated. There's an article also in San Antonio Express News where Manus agent makes the statement. I saw it last night.

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    Manu and his agent made it clear he wants to get paid.
    I can't seem to find nono's post regarding this.

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    Manu doesn't have much room to negotiate. There simply isn't the money to pay a guy to play 15 minutes a game superstar dollars. I imagine he'll take something small. I mean, who's going to sign him to a bigger contract? Esp at his age.

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    Still hold out hope Duncan comes back for year 20 but West is still an option to replace Diaw, I think. Diaw can't shoot anymore, has been below average from midrange the past four seasons while West can still shoot and had a much better year for a fraction of the price.

    The thing that worries me is Diaws versatility, I really worry about not having him vs. GSW.

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    If Manu is wanting market value that's impossible after they just signed Gasol. Something up to $5 million is probably doable with the Diaw salary dump.

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    Manu doesn't have much room to negotiate. There simply isn't the money to pay a guy to play 15 minutes a game superstar dollars. I imagine he'll take something small. I mean, who's going to sign him to a bigger contract? Esp at his age.
    One year Jeff Green Deal comes to mind, someone would break him off.

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    Hope Manu likes Denver.

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    Boris and parker for westbrook plz, that team could challange dubs.

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    The worst part of threads like this and the forum in general are the endless line of followers who can't stop themselves from desperately seeking out peer approval by blabbing on that the FO should add TP into an existing salary dump deal. Clearly this group can't tell the difference between the value in which a player actually has in relevance to the his salary, the existing roster and knowledge of the system and some ridiculous need to fit in on forum by ting on the flavor of the month.

    I agree that he's declined over the last few years but he's still a great value with his current contract. He can't be replaced by any realistic better option even if the team sought out additional salary dumps. There's no good argument for this without a viable solution to fill the hole. Shedding Diaw in a dump only makes sense now that a better option has been obtained. This isn't the case with Parker. Its stupidity and why this forum is rarely taken seriously by outsiders and quality posters who have simply given up on this place.

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    The worst part of threads like this and the forum in general are the endless line of followers who can't stop themselves from desperately seeking out peer approval by blabbing on that the FO should add TP into an existing salary dump deal. Clearly this group can't tell the difference between the value in which a player actually has in relevance to the his salary, the existing roster and knowledge of the system and some ridiculous need to fit in on forum by ting on the flavor of the month.

    I agree that he's declined over the last few years but he's still a great value with his current contract. He can't be replaced by any realistic better option even if the team sought out additional salary dumps. There's no good argument for this without a viable solution to fill the hole. Shedding Diaw in a dump only makes sense now that a better option has been obtained. This isn't the case with Parker. Its stupidity and why this forum is rarely taken seriously by outsiders and quality posters who have simply given up on this place.
    It's not just that he's good value, it's that there's no realistic replacement. Patty Mills is not the answer. Parker is better than some D Leaguer. And there aren't good options on the market. He's here until we can find someone better, which won't be easy this year.

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    The worst part of threads like this and the forum in general are the endless line of followers who can't stop themselves from desperately seeking out peer approval by blabbing on that the FO should add TP into an existing salary dump deal. Clearly this group can't tell the difference between the value in which a player actually has in relevance to the his salary, the existing roster and knowledge of the system and some ridiculous need to fit in on forum by ting on the flavor of the month.

    I agree that he's declined over the last few years but he's still a great value with his current contract. He can't be replaced by any realistic better option even if the team sought out additional salary dumps. There's no good argument for this without a viable solution to fill the hole. Shedding Diaw in a dump only makes sense now that a better option has been obtained. This isn't the case with Parker. Its stupidity and why this forum is rarely taken seriously by outsiders and quality posters who have simply given up on this place.
    The posters who appear once in a blue moon to complain about how the quality of posters has gone down then don't do anything to try to fix it are the ones who aren't missed tbh.

    Also, looking around at all these horrendous contracts being given out like candy the Spurs could find someone willing to take Parker while getting a solid player in return (as well as much needed cap space to fill out the roster).

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    Boris and parker for westbrook plz, that team could challange dubs.
    that would be amazing. throw in fat head too.

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    It's not just that he's good value, it's that there's no realistic replacement. Patty Mills is not the answer. Parker is better than some D Leaguer. And there aren't good options on the market. He's here until we can find someone better, which won't be easy this year.
    Not to mention that the realistic trade partners for Parker aren't worth pursuing, at all(Bulls' Rose, Rubio, Dragic, etc)

    It's an unfortunate situation for the Spurs, but there's virtually nothing they can do about it until he's off the books..event ignoring the loyalty factor, there aren't any positive value trades for Parker, and they never had any significant assets to sweeten the deal, either..

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