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    late in the 4th parker turned the ball over when we were down 7.

    jazz made a 3.

    potential 6 point swing, especially with kawhi shooting 5 of 7 from beyond the arc.

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    Actually, he doesn't want to trade for him. He wants to max him out the same season he turns 30 years old. Great idea, huh?
    i never said i wouldn't trade for him.

    factor making up

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    i never said i wouldn't trade for him.

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    Stop moving the goalposts. You know what I'm talking about. I said that in reference to the thread where I said I didn't want him. That thread was about signing him a few years from now...when he turns 30. You laughed when I said that was a bad idea and it's the reason you laughed again about me not wanting him in this thread. Do you think it's a good idea to sign an athletically reliant 30 yr old PG to a long term max deal?

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    The lineup up Parker, Ginibili, Simmons, Anderson, Lee that played for like 5 min in the fourth sealed the deal.

    That would be a nightmare lineup, but it didn't happen. I don't think it happened ever, but for sure not in the 4th. You can check the play-by-play, but it didn't happen.

    The game got lost in the 3rd, when the Spurs had taken a 63-60 lead with 5:25 left. Pop subbed in Manu for Simmons, and Lee for Gasol. Whether some people here want to admit it or not, Aldridge was playing the 4 and Lee was the C. The score didn't get out of hand immediately, but that lineup killed the momentum the Spurs had gained.

    Thirty seconds into the 4th, Pop subbed Lee in for Dedmon. Lineup: Mills, Simmons, Manu, Anderson, and Lee. And THAT is the lineup that let the Jazz take a big lead back. Note, again, that Lee is the C in that lineup.

    I said in the preseason that Pop would wind up with Lee on the floor as the C, and it would be a disaster. I don't blame Lee, I blame Pop. I knew it would happen, and I expect it will happen again. And it will be a disaster every time. And it's why I keep saying that the team needs another legitimate big man, even if it means Forbes has to go.

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    Pop and cir stance

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    Yeah, he's no Boobie Gibson. That's for sure.
    Hahaha oh yah, Westbrook had Mario Chalmers on him!

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    late in the 4th parker turned the ball over when we were down 7.

    jazz made a 3.

    potential 6 point swing, especially with kawhi shooting 5 of 7 from beyond the arc.
    At least Parker was passing it and Manu didn't look up. Kawhi just dribbled it off his foot.

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    That would be a nightmare lineup, but it didn't happen. I don't think it happened ever, but for sure not in the 4th. You can check the play-by-play, but it didn't happen.

    The game got lost in the 3rd, when the Spurs had taken a 63-60 lead with 5:25 left. Pop subbed in Manu for Simmons, and Lee for Gasol. Whether some people here want to admit it or not, Aldridge was playing the 4 and Lee was the C. The score didn't get out of hand immediately, but that lineup killed the momentum the Spurs had gained.

    Thirty seconds into the 4th, Pop subbed Lee in for Dedmon. Lineup: Mills, Simmons, Manu, Anderson, and Lee. And THAT is the lineup that let the Jazz take a big lead back. Note, again, that Lee is the C in that lineup.

    I said in the preseason that Pop would wind up with Lee on the floor as the C, and it would be a disaster. I don't blame Lee, I blame Pop. I knew it would happen, and I expect it will happen again. And it will be a disaster every time. And it's why I keep saying that the team needs another legitimate big man, even if it means Forbes has to go.
    And that is why I had Deadman as my X-factor this season. 3 legit bigs (LMA, Pau and Deadman) plus Lee would work. But Deadman would have to have a break-out season. And Pop would need to allocate almost all of the minutes at the 5 to those three. But Pop likes short immobile bigs...

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    david lee's cancerous ways?

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    david lee's cancerous ways?

    Lee is a good guy, IMO, and probably a good teammate. He's smart, and he works hard. He's just too damned short to play the C.

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    Lee is a good guy, IMO, and probably a good teammate. He's smart, and he works hard. He's just too damned short to play the C.
    Yeah, he' no cancer, per se. A Cancer is someone that's tearing up the locker room and morale of the team. Someone who's undermining the team, as a whole.
    He's just a try-hard player with real limitations and also some talent. Not a cancer. That's lazy hyperbole, tbh.

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    Yeah, he' no cancer, per se. A Cancer is someone that's tearing up the locker room and morale of the team. Someone who's undermining the team, as a whole.
    He's just a try-hard player with real limitations and also some talent. Not a cancer. That's lazy hyperbole, tbh.
    nah, a cancer is someone who looks really good but his presence decreases the sum of all parts. In other words, someone that looks good enough that you tend to get back to, but that steadily makes bad things happen, such as, say, scrubs going off early and then not stopping.

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    nah, a cancer is someone who looks really good but his presence decreases the sum of all parts. In other words, someone that looks good enough that you tend to get back to, but that steadily makes bad things happen, such as, say, scrubs going off early and then not stopping.
    Huh... interesting. I've never heard that one being identified with that term, but I'll put it in the spank bank, baby. Fo' Sho'.

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    Lee is a good guy, IMO, and probably a good teammate. He's smart, and he works hard. He's just too damned short to play the C.
    POP will keep going to him. I don't even know why Dedmon got benched. I think he fouled somebody. If that's what indeed what got him benched, then it was a learning opportunity. He must not have been executing what Pop wanted.

    Frankly despite the cliffjumpers, I am still hoping guys turn it around. There was a lot that went wrong in that game. I have had my reservations with Lee from b4 as you know, and they showed up in that game and will again as you state. You are right in that he competes but he had a very bad game on defense. Lyles and all sort of shoiters killed him in the perimeter, and he is not a rim protector...

    Very depressed and tired from bashing in and crushing guys at this point TBH.. I am going to have to start a Novena so that guys turn it around... I'd like to see others play too. It was too bad Bertans was injured...

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    nah, a cancer is someone who looks really good but his presence decreases the sum of all parts. In other words, someone that looks good enough that you tend to get back to, but that steadily makes bad things happen, such as, say, scrubs going off early and then not stopping.
    Good description... there's more than one type of cancer after all.

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    POP will keep going to him. I don't even know why Dedmon got benched. I think he fouled somebody. If that's what indeed what got him benched, then it was a learning opportunity. He must not have been executing what Pop wanted.

    Frankly despite the cliffjumpers, I am still hoping guys turn it around. There was a lot that went wrong in that game. I have had my reservations with Lee from b4 as you know, and they showed up in that game and will again as you state. You are right in that he competes but he had a very bad game on defense. Lyles and all sort of shoiters killed him in the perimeter, and he is not a rim protector...

    Very depressed and tired from bashing in and crushing guys at this point TBH.. I am going to have to start a Novena so that guys turn it around... I'd like to see others play too. It was too bad Bertans was injured...
    My girl... My Haitian vodou, your Santeria, we get things done with this team, yet.

    Time to bathe myself in 180 proof liquor and milk in an act of mischief...

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    My girl... My Haitian vodou, your Santeria, we get things done with this team, yet.

    Time to bathe myself in 180 proof liquor and milk in an act of mischief...
    That's the spirit!!!!!

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    My girl... My Haitian vodou, your Santeria, we get things done with this team, yet.

    Time to bathe myself in 180 proof liquor and milk in an act of mischief...

    There are time that I just don't know what the you're talking about. I can't say I disagree with you on basketball terms, because I don't even know if you're talking about basketball anymore.

    I think it's a shame you missed out on the 60's. I think you like the Spurs. So... rock on?

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    Of course Shelvin Mack is back to looking like the scrub that he is against Dallas. Scrub couldn't miss yesterday.

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    There are time that I just don't know what the you're talking about. I can't say I disagree with you on basketball terms, because I don't even know if you're talking about basketball anymore.

    I think it's a shame you missed out on the 60's. I think you like the Spurs. So... rock on?
    I did go through some of dem 70's... Is that Freedom Rock? yeah!
    I'm just glad you appreciate something out of me, brother. You're one of my favs to read, amongst others here...
    I'm just a free spirit, and much of what I say is a mixture of the literal, allegory and metaphorical. I'm just being me here and this is a good place to be me... imo, tbh.

    And, FYI, a fan of our team since '87. I was 12 and alone... sob.

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    Of course Shelvin Mack is back to looking like the scrub that he is against Dallas. Scrub couldn't miss yesterday.

    Utah is shooting 37.5% from the floor, 36% from the 3P line, and 54.5% from the FT line. Because Dallas' defense is that much superior to the Spurs'... or because Utah was just on fire last night?

    There's only one right answer.

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    Utah is shooting 37.5% from the floor, 36% from the 3P line, and 54.5% from the FT line. Because Dallas' defense is that much superior to the Spurs'... or because Utah was just on fire last night?

    There's only one right answer.
    Even though Utah got a metric -ton of open looks, they did hit an extraordinary amount of them and also hit some contested shots at an astounding rate. They cooled off in the 2nd half, but the Spurs couldn't overcome their mul ude of mistakes and poor play from the various components that were put together on the court.

    I, personally, don't take an ounce of anything from this game except that I wouldn't start Simmons, unless upon severe emergency, and my frustration grows with Mr Anderson. There were a few sequences where that old boy was so lost on D, that he was drifting aimlessly and you could tell that even he knew it and was asking assignments, on the court, as he was floating in no man's land and, of course: open shots happened. Ugly, ugly stuff.

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    Utah is shooting 37.5% from the floor, 36% from the 3P line, and 54.5% from the FT line. Because Dallas' defense is that much superior to the Spurs'... or because Utah was just on fire last night?

    There's only one right answer.
    Regression to the mean... but they did get a lot of good looks. Most of their 30 3pt shots that they attempted were open to fairly wide open. Maybe the heavy collapse in the paint was unnecessary.

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    And, FYI, a fan of our team since '87. I was 12 and alone... sob.

    1979, the Spurs got absolutely ed by the refs, and lost the Eastern Conference Finals to the Washington Bullets. (Yes, the Spurs were in the Eastern Conference then.) Doug Moe was the coach, and he didn't give a rat about what he was supposed to do, or supposed to say. He got so mouthy about the bad calls that the league handed him the biggest fine ever against a coach at the time - $3,000. The San Antonio fans took up a collection to pay his fine with 300,000 pennies. And I decided that I was a Spurs fan.

    I think you would have liked Doug Moe, and paying a fine in pennies. So you're okay in my book. I still don't know what the you're talking about sometimes.

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    1979, the Spurs got absolutely ed by the refs, and lost the Eastern Conference Finals to the Washington Bullets. (Yes, the Spurs were in the Eastern Conference then.) Doug Moe was the coach, and he didn't give a rat about what he was supposed to do, or supposed to say. He got so mouthy about the bad calls that the league handed him the biggest fine ever against a coach at the time - $3,000. The San Antonio fans took up a collection to pay his fine with 300,000 pennies. And I decided that I was a Spurs fan.

    I think you would have liked Doug Moe, and paying a fine in pennies. So you're okay in my book. I still don't know what the you're talking about sometimes.
    my friend. Good story. My first Spurs memories were of Will Anderson lighting it up his rookie year and Terry mings with the weird armpits (I know his malady now) doing things, but losing. Then *BOOM* in came DRob and the Ninja and the, then, greatest comeback from in a season. I loved that team, except for Rod and his , for obvious reasons. Then came Rodman... And that ty coach after Tark the Shark and Johnny Crack Hoe... Now here we are. What a journey, eh?

    Hit that jive jack, put it in the pocket, til I get back. Going downtown to see the man and I ain't got time to shake your hand.

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