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I really like this guy, hes still a bit raw but I could see him being effective for years to come. I dont care what we have to pay, I hope we keep him.
Keep Dedmon. But he has to learn to stay on the floor and to have SOME consistent offense. We can't play 4 on 5 in the post-season on offense.
I really like this guy, hes still a bit raw but I could see him being effective for years to come. I dont care what we have to pay, I hope we keep him.
He shouldn't be a starter on a good team, but some ty team or a desperate franchise like the Mavs will probably pay him, tbh
I like Gasol and what he offers offensively. Definitely stretches the floor for Kawhi and has a good sense with Parker and Al fridge.
But, I'd say throw the money at dedmon and lee. I think Lee can play the back up center like draymond plays center all the time. No way are they the same player, and isn't what I mean, just that Lee does all the little things and fights for every possession. Bertans could run the 4 with him while dedmon stays with Aldridge and Leonard.
This of course is dependent on dedmon learning how to decrease his foul rate, which he has shown he can get better with.
If we keep gasol and let dedmond walk, I will explode
We don't have a say in the former and the market will dictate the latter
hmmmm...He shouldn't be a starter on a good team, but some ty team or a desperate franchise like the Mavs will probably pay him, tbh
it reminds me of Biyombo... not the same physicality obviously... Biyombo's physicality, strength, and rebounding talent really stand out ... but in just being underrated defensive bigs with the potential to be impactful in a series and change the outcome of a game with their defense.
If he is that impactful in the playoffs... your post made me kind of sad. All along I think the Spurs should keep him... but at a Biyombo sized contract ... then I wonder and I think it may be too much for the Spurs...
Ya, I knew Biyombo would be a bust in Orlando, having watched him closely in Toronto(living here)..like many bigs before him, he got paid due to 1 nice stretch of playoff basketball(Jerome James syndrome)..I was going to say that maybe teams will learn after seeing Biyombo struggle in Orlando, but they probably won't, considering bigs have always gotten paid, regardless of era..
There's a demand for defensive Cs that focus on finishing lobs/passes, rather than demanding the ball in the post(due to the success of players like Biyombo, Tristan Thompson, Steven Adams, DeAndre Jordan, etc), allowing the perimeter players to dominate usage..we'll see if there will be a shift in focus around the league, though, since there are many young, ultra-talented bigs coming up(Jokic, Towns, Embiid, Porzingis, Turner, etc)..
The other thing is that the Tristan, Adams, Deandre etc. play in good teams with already top players in the league and outstanding guard play. Those guards do have the ball a lot and their style of game fits the athletic defensive lob finisher big. In an already good/great team those guys have great value... in the not so good teams like Orlando is, they are in trouble.
The new breed of talented bigs is interesting to watch and see develop (Embiid specially... I never watched him in college and he had played so little that even the footage of him was of this dominant guy but raw. Then being out not playing at all for two seasons... I really thought he was a talent I would never get to see.)
Yeah, I don't think the Spurs can afford to pay Dedmon anywhere near Biyombo money (and I wouldn't throw any silly money at him no matter how much I like him), but I really do think they should try and keep him a reasonable contract if he's willing to take a little less. Maybe tell him that they can develop his game further if he stays here, and maybe offer him an early player opt. out if he takes a discount so that he can cash in if he improves significantly. Could the Spurs do a 3 or 4 year deal with a player option after year 2 or 3? Is that allowed?
Also, off-topic, but I hope Joel Embiid stays healthy. He's probably the first big man since Tim Duncan that I'm truly liking. The things I like in a big man are defensive ability to anchor an entire defense and mobility to guard multiple positions. I don't know if many people remember, but when Tim was a rookie, Pop had him guarding the PG of the other team a couple of times in games during his 1997-1998 rookie season (I'm pretty sure it was his rookie season that he did it). Tim may not have been the highest jumper, but man, he had very good/elite lateral quickness for a big man before his knee injury/issues (he was lighter back then too, I think he ended up putting on weight to be able to bang with Shaq). On offense I look for them to be a very good post player, good passer, and be able to shoot a bit from mid-range to be able to keep defenses from collapsing on them. Tim had all of that, and I see flashes of all of that in what I've watched of Joel Embiid so far.
They won't be able to afford him, they'll probably let him walk if he gets anything north of 8 mil per.
Regardless if that happens or not, I think they'll bring in Milutinov for pennies and sign a vet C (if Dedmon signs elsewhere) as insurance in case Nikola isn't ready for a role to start the season.
As long as Dedmon doesnt sign with the warriors. Would be brutal if Gaycob somehow ends up with Dedmon.
I suspect 2018-2019 won't have a monster team like the warriors. Really think one of curry or Durant will walk away.
Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Is there any chance that Dedmon opts in? I'm assuming there is a less than 0.1% chance of that happening. Do you think that he'd take a gamble on himself improving even more in the Spurs system with another year under his belt, thus raising his value even higher for an even bigger payday in 2018-2019?
Why not opt out and get paid again by the spurs...that makes no sense on his end.
Even if he wanted to stay he can just sign for 6 million or something.
I'm saying he might not do as well in another system. If he stays another year, he might become even better and then get a much bigger payday 2 off-seasons from now. I guess it depends on how big the biggest deal that he gets offered this off-season is.
Are you saying that he could opt out and sign another 1 + 1 deal, but this time for 6 million next season? If he wants to stay with the Spurs that is?
MLE will be very high with the new CBA, so the Spurs would be able to afford him, barring some crazy Biyombo-like offer. There aren't too many teams with cap space that need a center like him as a priority. Dallas, as mentioned, are probably the biggest threat, but hopefully they go after more flashy names like Nerlens Noel instead.
Why do you say he shouldn't start for a good team? I haven't checked his numbers but the eye test tells me he's easily starting material if he keeps his progression. Great defensively, great energy, good rebounding, good mobility, good finishing around the rim and he even showed flashes of a mid range shot. What's not to like?He shouldn't be a starter on a good team, but some ty team or a desperate franchise like the Mavs will probably pay him, tbh
I mean, let's look at the starting centers for the other contenders. Zaza Pachulia, Tristan Thompson and Clint Capella. How much better are them than Dedmon?
Last edited by DAF86; 02-10-2017 at 03:29 AM.
Pay him and Lee, i like both. Even if that means losing Gasol doesn't matter.
So why is Parker still starting then. He's 4 on 5 on offense AND defense in the post season. So it's really 3 on 5 when he's in the game.
So who do you start in the playoffs at pg?
Miluntinov has another year on his contract. Doubt he comes over this year
I'd rather keep Dedmon than Gasol too; Gasol is much better today but Dedmon could be very good for years to come. I guess it depends on if his play improves over this season?
I see you understand the problem.
Exactly!
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