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"if we all split the pot"
yes, yes, that's exactly what is proposed for American society. excellent point
God forbid the imprudence of the financial sector should ever lead to relief of an intensely indebted society. The banks would have to pay for their bad decisions instead of us.
Management's most effective means of social control -- hopelessly indebted workers -- would also be removed. As might the financial sector's stranglehold on government.
"if we all split the pot"
yes, yes, that's exactly what is proposed for American society. excellent point
If life in a free society is no more or less than a poker game sure. No common good, no country, just private interest,
Why have a republic at all or even a government in that case?
Says the guy that went all in on a pair of 2's.
... and you folded like your limp
Oh, I'm not saying you shouldn't tip the dealer. Life IS a game. I'm was one of the worst abuser of credit and credit cards in my younger days and had one of a good time. I always spent more than I made which gave me incentive to work harder, make more, and spend more. I had a freaking blast. Trust me, you can have a of a lot more fun with money in your 30's than you can have in your 60's.
Hows like in your mommas single wide Burqa-Boo?
You have no idea what your fair share REALLY IS.
So you maintain that you and others get taken for more than you give. I see nothing about the massive amount of money industry makes off of your And my money. But you deem the poor the real leeches. Part of what got Trump elected is wealth disparity. You choose to concentrate on ONE section of "the takers". Many poor don't even use the roads for their non existent private vehicles, but you do and feel fine because you not only pay taxes like many do, but end up owing more. Have you ever thought you actually might be a taker. Just because you and I work hard does not mean we don't take from our government. Just because we pay taxes above what is the minimal requirement does not automatically mean we are not takers.
I know I am a taker. I use what is present in this country, built and provided through taxes, to make money. It's not always directly, but I am not blind enough to see this country benefits and that it pays for science and industry related to such. I probably give a lot back as well but I know I use the tax payed infrastructure everyday to make money. And it's not just roads. It's funding to Universities and Companies with close association in research with those Universities. It's the societal infrastructure that allows me to get to work safely. I don't get stopped at check points and payoff guerilla groups.
There are very wealthy AND very poor who are takers. You choose to concentrate on one group. People need to visit other countries to see how bad it can be.
Rant over.
Last edited by pgardn; 12-12-2016 at 08:55 PM.
Why tip the dealer?
The ones that work will make their own good life.
Heatlhcare, education and banking shouldn't be for profit business but public utilities. The profit made isn't productivity but rent that acts as a drag on gross production.
I was talking about the metaphor. Who or what, is the dealer?
Are there social and political costs that we pay for not tipping the dealer?
Health care and education are already public utilities. Whether they are managed by public/private is subject to cost/benefit analysis. I'm OK if public wins that one but it's not decided yet.
Banking is purely a risk/reward scenario. If I loan money to X will X repay the loan with a reasonable risk/reward return so i can continue to loan money to Y and Z?
Public is uniquely unqualified to make that judgement as political influence trumps logical risk/reward judgement. Always has and always will.
Ever increasing debt leads to debt peonage. For entire countries, even. When the system of payment broke in 2008 we healed the improvident banking sector instead of a suffering society.
So it can do more of the same.
Debt is social and political control. If the republic doesn't kick it in the nuts when it goes off the rails so much the worse for the republic and the citizens.
Sickness isn't a choice. Education and banking are social necessities and redound to the public good.
What we pay for them is absurd -- not technically necessary.
but, as you say, political determination is more powerful than cost/benefit analysis. I suppose that's as it should be, but don't pretend it's well-arranged.
the public goods referred to as the FIRE sector own society.
arguably, it owns politics too, with dire implications for democracy and human freedom.
Dude, I'm just drinking a nice red blend tonight. I want some of what you are having. you are on fire!
Marie Duffau Bas-Armangac
sadly I'm dangerous with brandy. I'm more of a drinker than a sipper.
I know it's just emotive prose with no binding legal effect, but one shouldn't underestimate the sentimental attachment people have to the preamble of the US Cons ution.
If we fail to establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty, people get pissed off, and the ruling order will be perceived as lacking legitimacy.
oh me too. I tend to drink all liquids at the same rate.
The interpretation of ensuring domestic tranquility and promoting the general welfare hopefully will be an argument our grandchildren will still be having.
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