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The kawhi+patty paring is actually better than porker+kawhi.
No lie.
Those dudes are hilarious with their constant whinning when Parker is on the floor it freezes my boy Kawhidear god
Player fan vision:
More Parker = Less Kawhi touches = Play Patty. Who cares if Spurs win or lose
Team fan vision:
Parker + Kawhi > Mills + Kawhi... (better FG%, better assits/tov ratio, better net production) = more wins
The kawhi+patty paring is actually better than porker+kawhi.
No lie.
There's no clique that gets ted on more than the "Start Paddy House krew" tbh
mid on the fact that patty's advanced stats this season beats parker's virtually across the board:
yet here's a thread he made about parker's play against five scrub ass teamsThose stats. Done against opposing scrubs.
mid on the fact that patty's advanced stats this season beats parker's virtually across the board:
yet here's a thread he made about parker's play against five scrub ass teams
You do realize that the worst starting 5 in the NBA would destroy any bench team in the league, right?yet here's a thread he made about parker's play against five scrub ass teams
Parker is #35 out of 39 in defensive PG ratings. Pathetic.
http://hoop.nba.com/nba_hoop_feature...sive-pointers/
Promoting a stat that rates Dellavedova as the 9th best defensive PG in the league.
Higher than John ing Wall.
Mike Conley is 16th while Jrue Holiday is 7th.
tp has the 11th best DWS on the spurs... also has the worse DBPM on the team.
the only players with a negative VORP are parker, murray, forbes
I like the way you conveniently accept some stats but ignore otherstp has the 11th best DWS on the spurs... also has the worse DBPM on the team.
the only players with a negative VORP are parker, murray, forbes
What do you make of the -9 net rating drop when House checks in for Parker straight up? Oh, sample size, right?
, Patty has played with the starters for well over 50 minutes. That's enough to draw a reasonable conclusion that he's not a great fit with that unit. This is what bothers me most about you and the helmet crew. You just want House shoved in there and don't take into consideration anything else. So House starts. Then what? Time to start Anderson now? Start Manu
You morons don't think anything through. Patty has good metrics precisely because he fits so well with the bench, not because he's this natural all around player who can excel in any cir stance.
Anyhow, it all comes back to being fanboys. You guys want Kawhi averaging a nice looking PPG and you somehow think Patty will make the happen becauseKawhi git moar touches
Not to mention that Parker did that damage against: Lowry, Schroder, Lillard, and Bledsoe.
NO, you know that's not true.
Easily in last 7 games, Kawhi got his most shots when Parker was on the bench.
Damn...How MANY TIMES I have to say I don't want Kawhi to get 25 FGAs per game, LMA either but also I've said that 13-15 FGA per game in the last 7 games, can't be that good for the leading scorer of any team.Force-feeding him Kobe level usage WON'T help the team like you think it would.
Do you really think that Kawhi taking 13 shots per game will give us a win in a playoffs series?
People say that we lost to the Bucks because Green couldn't guard Beasly...But what about Kawhi's only 16 FGAs?
Without the other main scorer, that was a game were the team needed Kawhi to score 35, 40 points What did Parker? Did he made a play for Kawhi? Nah...He was trying to feed Gasol and Danny in the last minute, both missing their shots.
Yeah...Like giving the ball to the best player on the team is bad.But I guess he "gibs Kiwi ball moar" so it's all good in your eyes.
Again. Only on ST you can read crazy fans who don't want that the leading scorer takes more shots to win a game when he's on fire.
If Mills is a better facilitator of Kawhi offense than other player, I'd play him more minutes with Kawhi. Why? Because Kawhi's offense is vital to Spurs success.
Not because 'Kawhi's ppg.
In the regular season?
How many horrible Parker's playoffs you need to watch to finallly say that Parker is a lot worse in postseason than regular season?
It's weird. You watched hist last two, he was net negative in both, and you're still saying this .
Yes you do
We have HARD IN' FACTS that show in black and white that when Patty checks in for/replaces Parker in the starting lineup, the net rating drops from +11 to -12.
Parker isn't being ball dominant nor is he freezing out anyone. His front court touches are relatively low for a point guard.
http://stats.nba.com/players/touches...ayerPosition=G
And Kawhi is second on the team in front court touches, getting 14 more than LMA:
http://stats.nba.com/players/touches...mID=1610612759
He averages 3 more shots and 3 more FTAs than LMA:
http://stats.nba.com/players/traditi...mID=1610612759
His usage is fine. , the Spurs haven't had a player average more than 23 per game in nearly 15 in' years, and you're sitting here bellyaching about "touches" for your favorite player
And yes, the Spurs lost the game on the defensive end. Tell me the last time a team that gives up 109 points per game won the NBA le? 107 points at home is more than enough offense. Furthermore, Kawhi got shots in crunch time. Guess what happened? He missed two straight shots at the 3 min and 2:30 marks. The Spurs were sitting on 101 points. The Spurs don't "gib bawl to Kiwi" thereafter and score 6 points over the next minute.
And where is this coming from that Parker had tunnel vision for Gasol/Danny in the last minute?
Here's a play from the last minute:
Bertans has the option to take the open shot here, but Beasley closed quick. Bertans should've shoveled to Kawhi there who would've had a 1-on-1 with his defender, but Bertans tried to do too much and drove and kicked to Gasoi. Gasol actually got a good look out of the sequence and just missed it.
Next play:
Parker actually WAVED Kawhi over to dump the ball off to him in a clear out iso at the top of the key. But then Pop called a TO.
Play out of the time out:
Bawl was gib to Kiwi. But he was immediately swarmed and then made the smart and easy pass to a wide open and scorching hot Bertans, who just missed it. I don't have any issue with this sequence.
Last play. Bawl gibbed to Kiwi AGAIN! This time he has a step and a driving lane.
Kawhi beat his defender and only had a 6'4" Delladova to deal with as a "shotblocker," who was late getting over and out of position. Kawhi could've risen up and tried to dunk it here and would've drawn the blocking call and possibly an AND-1. But he passes to a wide open Manu instead.
Now we can debate till the cows come home if Pop specifically designed this play to create a 3 point look for Manu or if it was an option play for Kawhi in which he could either drive to the rim or pass it out. If Kawhi chose to pass, I don't really have an issue. Manu got a wide open game winning look in a January game against the Bucks. No big deal.
That said, what irritates me most about you and your helmet crew mates is how you blame Parker for every and all perceived in game slight against your hero. Your bias is so strong and irrational, that you are "remembering" events that didn't even in' happen. As shown, Parker did not freeze out Kawhi in these crunch time plays. Kawhi got a touch every time down. , Parker wasn't even involved in the last two plays, but yet "he was trying to find Danny and Gasol in the last minute." lmao.
Please be more objective. It legitimately saddens me when people let their biases control them.
Tell me when I said that Mills has to start games? I always say he has to PLAY MORE MINUTES WITH KAWHI instead of Parker.
Touches. I talk about shots, FGAs. About the games when Parker takes more shots than Kawhi for long stretches like the game against Bucks. Parker 7 Kawhi 0.Parker isn't being ball dominant nor is he freezing out anyone. His front court touches are relatively low for a point guard.
The Spurs wouldn't have needed a desperate 3 point shot if Parker would have create more for Kawhi during the whole game. Why did Parker wait until the last minute to share the ball? 'But but he gave him the ball in the last seconds' WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 3 QUARTERS?
That's exactly what I said before.Kawhi beat his defender and only had a 6'4" Delladova to deal with as a "shotblocker," who was late getting over and out of position. Kawhi could've risen up and tried to dunk it here and would've drawn the blocking call and possibly an AND-1. But he passes to a wide open Manu instead...Manu got a wide open game winning look in a January game against the Bucks. No big deal.
You and the guys who claim that the Spurs don't need that Kawhi takes many shots, 'yeah...13-15 is fine', then they're the same guys who said in playoffs 'but but Kawhi should have taken that shot
So...he needs to take shots or not? It's one thing or the other. If he needs, then Parker can't take 7 more than him in a quarter.
The #4 option taking more shots than Kawhi...That would be hilarious for any fan of any team. But not for you.
Anyway, nice screenshots.
Those pics remind me the ton of them that I posted about Parker missing Kawhi in a favorable matchup or missing when he's wide open.
"missing"
No. The Spurs wouldn't have needed a desperation 3 pointer if they could've stopped the ghost of Michael Beasley. Perhaps tomorrow I'll go through the sequences of "Parker blatantly ignoring Kawhi" and debunk those, too. Parker doesn't freeze out Kawhi as much as you perceive. Furthermore, it's Parker's job to create shots for other players aside from your mancrush.Tell me when I said that Mills has to start games? I always say he has to PLAY MORE MINUTES WITH KAWHI instead of Parker.
Touches. I talk about shots, FGAs. About the games when Parker takes more shots than Kawhi for long stretches like the game against Bucks. Parker 7 Kawhi 0.
The Spurs wouldn't have needed a desperate 3 point shot if Parker would have create more for Kawhi during the whole game. Why did Parker wait until the last minute to share the ball? 'But but he gave him the ball in the last seconds' WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 3 QUARTERS?
That's exactly what I said before.
You and the guys who claim that the Spurs don't need that Kawhi takes many shots, 'yeah...13-15 is fine', then they're the same guys who said in playoffs 'but but Kawhi should have taken that shot
So...he needs to take shots or not? It's one thing or the other. If he needs, then Parker can't take 7 more than him in a quarter.
The #4 option taking more shots than Kawhi...That would be hilarious for any fan of any team. But not for you.
Now, will there be instances when Parker "ignores" Kawhi? Sure. Players don't see/ignore other players all the time. It in' happens. But you and the crew act like Parker does it to Kawhi to an egregious degree.
As for what Kawhi needs to do, he needs to take what the defense gives him and make the best decision possible. You, as always, focus on raw in' shot attempts too much. The last 3 possessions for instance. In all those plays, Kawhi initiated the action and created open looks for his teammates, actions that won't show up in the box score and actions that you mis-remember as Kawhi being "frozen out."
As for Mills needs to play more minutes with Kawhi. Um, the net rating blows when Mills plays with Kawhi and the starters. Also when he plays with Manu, Kawhi, and the starters. But when Mills is in there with Lee/Fathead plus LMA, Kawhi, and whomever, the net rating is great. So why aren't you crusading for more minutes for them? What I'm trying to embed into your brain is that Mills for Parker isn't a wholesale solution to the problems you think Parker creates for Kawhi, like your fixation of Kawhi standing in the corner waiting for Parker to create.
And more on that point. If you're sick of Kawhi standing in the corner, take it up with in' Pop and the modern NBA's overusage of HORNS sets. You know what a HORNS set is? See:
Look where the SF sets up.
I know what you want. Kawhi fed in the mid-post Kobe style. This isn't 2008. Kawhi is indeed a top 3 post up wing in the NBA, if not the best, but you have to be selective about posting up today. You can't just dump it into him or LMA or Gasol every time down. As much as I dislike it, pick-and-rolls via sets like HORNS initiated by PGs are the most effective offenses right now.
"I want Kiwi to run pick-and-roll."
He's not a good enough dribbler nor passer to run it effectively. He can run it a couple of times selectively, as he does now, but not with any kind of high frequency.
We had the exact same debate last season and you still haven't gotten it. Kawhi has certain limitations to his game, namely in dribbling, finishing, and passing, that will prevent him from being the high usage/volume player you want him to be. He's okay in those areas but not good enough to grant him Harden/LBJ like ball dominance privileges.
I don't get your gripe. Kawhi is averaging the most PPG (in only 33 minutes) since '02 Duncan. 15 in' years. And you're still crying about evil Enrique "freezing him out." On that note, the whole Kawhi/Parker dynamic is stupidly overblown by you and the helmet crew. What will prevent this team from a le is they simply don't have the raw talent from 1-8 as the Warriors/Cavs. For 's sake. The Warriors have THREE MVP level players on their team and you're sitting here whining about that isn't even a problem.
This breakdown is stellar.Yes you do
We have HARD IN' FACTS that show in black and white that when Patty checks in for/replaces Parker in the starting lineup, the net rating drops from +11 to -12.
Parker isn't being ball dominant nor is he freezing out anyone. His front court touches are relatively low for a point guard.
http://stats.nba.com/players/touches...ayerPosition=G
And Kawhi is second on the team in front court touches, getting 14 more than LMA:
http://stats.nba.com/players/touches...mID=1610612759
He averages 3 more shots and 3 more FTAs than LMA:
http://stats.nba.com/players/traditi...mID=1610612759
His usage is fine. , the Spurs haven't had a player average more than 23 per game in nearly 15 in' years, and you're sitting here bellyaching about "touches" for your favorite player
And yes, the Spurs lost the game on the defensive end. Tell me the last time a team that gives up 109 points per game won the NBA le? 107 points at home is more than enough offense. Furthermore, Kawhi got shots in crunch time. Guess what happened? He missed two straight shots at the 3 min and 2:30 marks. The Spurs were sitting on 101 points. The Spurs don't "gib bawl to Kiwi" thereafter and score 6 points over the next minute.
And where is this coming from that Parker had tunnel vision for Gasol/Danny in the last minute?
Here's a play from the last minute:
Bertans has the option to take the open shot here, but Beasley closed quick. Bertans should've shoveled to Kawhi there who would've had a 1-on-1 with his defender, but Bertans tried to do too much and drove and kicked to Gasoi. Gasol actually got a good look out of the sequence and just missed it.
Next play:
Parker actually WAVED Kawhi over to dump the ball off to him in a clear out iso at the top of the key. But then Pop called a TO.
Play out of the time out:
Bawl was gib to Kiwi. But he was immediately swarmed and then made the smart and easy pass to a wide open and scorching hot Bertans, who just missed it. I don't have any issue with this sequence.
Last play. Bawl gibbed to Kiwi AGAIN! This time he has a step and a driving lane.
Kawhi beat his defender and only had a 6'4" Delladova to deal with as a "shotblocker," who was late getting over and out of position. Kawhi could've risen up and tried to dunk it here and would've drawn the blocking call and possibly an AND-1. But he passes to a wide open Manu instead.
Now we can debate till the cows come home if Pop specifically designed this play to create a 3 point look for Manu or if it was an option play for Kawhi in which he could either drive to the rim or pass it out. If Kawhi chose to pass, I don't really have an issue. Manu got a wide open game winning look in a January game against the Bucks. No big deal.
That said, what irritates me most about you and your helmet crew mates is how you blame Parker for every and all perceived in game slight against your hero. Your bias is so strong and irrational, that you are "remembering" events that didn't even in' happen. As shown, Parker did not freeze out Kawhi in these crunch time plays. Kawhi got a touch every time down. , Parker wasn't even involved in the last two plays, but yet "he was trying to find Danny and Gasol in the last minute." lmao.
Please be more objective. It legitimately saddens me when people let their biases control them.
It's weird... you post stats and breakdowns and actually talk about the specifics of the game that happened... and suddenly the helmet crew is nowhere to be found, save one soul, who's clearly out of his depth.
Chalk up another fine game for Parker. Maybe House can pad in garbage time and give the crew something to celebrate. They're always con uously absent when Parker has good games.
Lollard didn't play tbh; Portland actually played good defense that game.
Parker and Murray with great showings tonight. Hope Brett Brown treats Paddy great next year in Philly!
Parker continues playing well, but the PG position remains a concern.
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