IF Kawhi Does Not Return This Season, SHOULD Spurs Offer the SuperMax?

[tholdren]

The Jump postulated a Ben Simmons for Kawhi trade



Don't think Spurs would do that if Kawhi's health and at ude are fine. Don't think Philly would do it if Kawhi's health and at ude are questionable.

Won't happen.

Do it

[spursistan]

Bump..

Changed my tune, I'm not giving this dude the Supermax. There is just way to many red flags that have been raised since November..

Yeah, sure let's commit 200 millions to guy that can't even keep his own vow to come back and play. The distance he's put between him and the team/organisation throughout this whole saga has made me question my previous choice. Rehabbing soreness in New York! that is a good one ..

Like seriously what in guarantees you give me he wouldn't shut himself down again once he ink that crippling deal? What, you're going to fight this in a court of law so he can be dragged to the basketball one and suit up for you? .

It is pretty clear that he could care less about this team even if it is been scratching and clawing to make the playoffs for about a month now.

Let him re-qualify for it..It is not like I'm about to rattle the cage of Lebron James ..A couple of 60-win teams DPOY are cute and nice, but he's technically proven nothing as a top dog..

[spursistan]

Many folks are totally writing off the possibility that the Spurs might actually not be prepared to give him the Super-max after all.

If they have serious concerns about his future availability, I don't think they will put it on the table this summer. It is hard to think of a precedent in NBA where a player missed roughly an entire basketball season without a surgical procedure and he then somehow come back to be the same..In fact not having a definite timetable is worse in this case..

Leonard's representatives are the ones who will have muster the audacity to demand that their client is worth it: Imagine thinking you are worth 40 millions a year when the last time you played consecutive NBA games was 14 months ago (April 2017)

[cd98]

Spurs likely have no choice but to offer the super max. That said, if it were my money, I'd tell him play so well next year that you are a MVP candidate and a 1st team all-NBA member and then we'll supermax you. I mean, if Kawhi wants the money, he'd definitely sign at the end of next season for the supermax. But if he was a notch below 1st team all NBA, then he'd be gone at the end of the season and probably to the Lakers for nothing.

[SAGirl]

Many folks are totally writing off the possibility that the Spurs might actually not be prepared to give him the Super-max after all.

If they have serious concerns about his future availability, I don't think they will put it on the table this summer. It is hard to think of a precedent in NBA where a player missed roughly an entire basketball season without a surgical procedure and he then somehow come back to be the same..In fact not having a definite timetable is worse in this case..

Leonard's representatives are the ones who will have muster the audacity to demand that their client is worth it: Imagine thinking you are worth 40 millions a year when the last time you played consecutive NBA games was 14 months ago (April 2017)

I have had this concern b4 and expressed it. In fact what rumors have come out about the uncle and LA and things of that nature, specifically including his agent probably stem from the fact Spurs are at least chilled themselves from a super max deal which would prompt the agent to say they can recoup the loss of that deal with bigger endorsements etc.

It just won't be resolved until he's healthy and I don't think the Spurs will trade him bc 1, they really would like him back healthy, 2, if he's not healthy they will get lowballed and what they would get wouldn't be worth it.They need a healthy Kiwi to pull out a deal that truly would allow them to rebuild but if they had a healthy Kiwi they wouldn't trade him.

This thing is going to go on until next season IMO or until he's healthy whatever happens first.

[duncan2k5]

Bump..

Changed my tune, I'm not giving this dude the Supermax. There is just way to many red flags that have been raised since November..

Yeah, sure let's commit 200 millions to guy that can't even keep his own vow to come back and play. The distance he's put between him and the team/organisation throughout this whole saga has made me question my previous choice. Rehabbing soreness in New York! that is a good one ..

Like seriously what in guarantees you give me he wouldn't shut himself down again once he ink that crippling deal? What, you're going to fight this in a court of law so he can be dragged to the basketball one and suit up for you? .

It is pretty clear that he could care less about this team even if it is been scratching and clawing to make the playoffs for about a month now.

Let him re-qualify for it..It is not like I'm about to rattle the cage of Lebron James ..A couple of 60-win teams DPOY are cute and nice, but he's technically proven nothing as a top dog..

What distance? There is no distance between Kawhi and the team... That's made up

[SpursDynasty85]

What distance? There is no distance between Kawhi and the team... That's made up

Actually, David Robinson already went on air admitting their was some tension and that they would like Kawhi to be a better leader. Its not all rainbows and skittles, we should at least agree to that.

[duncan2k5]

Actually, David Robinson already went on air admitting their was some tension and that they would like Kawhi to be a better leader. Its not all rainbows and skittles, we should at least agree to that.

Dude I saw the interview... He said nothing of the sort

[Brunodf]

Spurs shouldn't make any offer this offseason tbh

1 - trade him for picks

2- let him play and see if he can qualify for the supermax

[BackHome]

Trade him he is Tony JR.

[cd98]

Depends on how confident you are that Kawhi will comeback healthy. Basically, Spurs would need to believe that his career is in jeopardy before they should decide not to super max him.

[BackHome]

How confident can you be when he has been cleared for months and hasn’t played. No way in would I sign him to a Super Max deal

[spursistan]

Only player who miss an entire year and still get the Supermax is Lebron..

Let's really end this nonsense joke; Kawhi has proven nothing by comparison for the Spurs to be bending over for him in this fashion..

Get healed in the summer and come back to me..

[spurraider21]

Only player who miss an entire year and still get the Supermax is Lebron..

Let's really end this nonsense joke; Kawhi has proven nothing by comparison for the Spurs to be bending over for him in this fashion..

Get healed in the summer and come back to me..

they're contenders with him and pretenders without him. he has leverage.

you give him the supermax because he's bolting otherwise. sucks to be held hostage... but the same happened with the lakers when kobe wanted to be traded. they didnt trade him, ended up making him happy where he was, and won 2 championships

[Chinook]

they're contenders with him and pretenders without him. he has leverage.

That works in reverse, too. Unlike with PG and Indy, keeping Kawhi one more year is a legit option for the Spurs. Even if Kawhi walks, they get a real chance at a le, and without the base assumption of the Spurs giving him the supermax, Kawhi would have to play ball. Plus, things like Tatum and the Sac pick will be on the table in February if they are in July. The Spurs can definitely play this out for a while longer.

[SpursforSix]

That works in reverse, too. Unlike with PG and Indy, keeping Kawhi one more year is a legit option for the Spurs. Even if Kawhi walks, they get a real chance at a le, and without the base assumption of the Spurs giving him the supermax, Kawhi would have to play ball. Plus, things like Tatum and the Sac pick will be on the table in February if they are in July. The Spurs can definitely play this out for a while longer.

Agree with this. The only truly devastating scenario is that they sign him for the SuperMax and this tendiopathy is chronic.

[spursistan]

That works in reverse, too. Unlike with PG and Indy, keeping Kawhi one more year is a legit option for the Spurs. Even if Kawhi walks, they get a real chance at a le, and without the base assumption of the Spurs giving him the supermax, Kawhi would have to play ball. Plus, things like Tatum and the Sac pick will be on the table in February if they are in July. The Spurs can definitely play this out for a while longer.

Pretty much this..It is ridiculous how people are completely overlooking the actual and biggest nightmare whereby the Spurs rush to supermaxing non other than Brandon Roy 2.0..

They can just wait until the pre-season to see how he looks by then..

[spurraider21]

having brandon roy 2.0 and having this team without kawhi will ultimately get us to the same place. we aint ringin

[Chinook]

Pretty much this..It is ridiculous how people are completely overlooking the actual and biggest nightmare whereby the Spurs rush to supermaxing non other than Brandon Roy 2.0..

They can just wait until the pre-season to see how he looks by then..

Most people don't care about that downside because "hey, it's not their money". Nothing against SR21, but I'm not sure he cares if the Spurs end up having to relocate because they hit a financial crisis. It's not wrong for us to have a selfish relationship with the team. I mostly want entertainment and a way to spend some time researching and discussing. They don't have to be a bona fide contender for to give me that, though it helps. I agree with you and S46 that Leonard becoming a franchise-killing contract is much worse than him walking, and if we are to believe the general news we've received from official sources, Kawhi being legit and permanently injured is a more likely scenario in the first place. There's a 99-percent chance his new contract would not be insured, and if Kawhi keeps "trying to come back", they can't even Bosh him.

I think regardless of where we stand, none of us want Leonard to be crippled long-term. But , people need to think about that instead of just saying "give him what he wants".

[Chinook]

People act as if there haven't been franchise-caliber guys drafted since 2011. Truth be told, there have been a handful of guys taken who can be the best player on a le team. The team moved on from Robinson and Duncan. Kawhi is nowhere near that level of foundational piece, even though he is/was one of the very best players in the NBA. There was life after those guys, and there'd be life after Leonard.

[TD 21]

That works in reverse, too. Unlike with PG and Indy, keeping Kawhi one more year is a legit option for the Spurs. Even if Kawhi walks, they get a real chance at a le, and without the base assumption of the Spurs giving him the supermax, Kawhi would have to play ball. Plus, things like Tatum and the Sac pick will be on the table in February if they are in July. The Spurs can definitely play this out for a while longer.

It all sounds so great . . . except for the reality that the Spurs would have no chance at a le and things like Tatum and the Kings pick isn't guaranteed to be on the table in February.

The calculus can change fast in sports. If Leonard doesn't look the same physically or a combination of health and internal improvement has the Celtics feeling like they can contend with what they have, they might lose the impetus to offer the requisite assets. Or, they could just feel it's too risky with limited time left to indoctrinate him into their environment.

If/when the Spurs offer the super max, they'll have obviously done their homework on the likelihood of his turning into Roy 2.0. As far as them "bending over" for him, the reality is, it's far too risky to not have this resolved this off season. Value needs to be maximized with an asset of this magnitude. That means super max or trade.

[Chinook]

It all sounds so great . . . except for the reality that the Spurs would have no chance at a le and things like Tatum and the Kings pick isn't guaranteed to be on the table in February.

The calculus can change fast in sports. If Leonard doesn't look the same physically or a combination of health and internal improvement has the Celtics feeling like they can contend with what they have, they might lose the impetus to offer the requisite assets. Or, they could just feel it's too risky with limited time left to indoctrinate him into their environment.

If/when the Spurs offer the super max, they'll have obviously done their homework on the likelihood of his turning into Roy 2.0. As far as them "bending over" for him, the reality is, it's far too risky to not have this resolved this off season. Value needs to be maximized with an asset of this magnitude. That means super max or trade.

They would.

[TD 21]

People act as if there haven't been franchise-caliber guys drafted since 2011. Truth be told, there have been a handful of guys taken who can be the best player on a le team. The team moved on from Robinson and Duncan. Kawhi is nowhere near that level of foundational piece, even though he is/was one of the very best players in the NBA. There was life after those guys, and there'd be life after Leonard.

Off the top, there's been maybe 5, if I'm being generous, who could potentially be the best player on a le team: Davis, Antetokounmpo, Embiid, Towns, Simmons. In other words, you either need to hope to get the number #1 pick in the right year, with already relatively low odds decreasing next season or you need to hope to strike gold in the mid round, which is obviously even more unlikely.

There would be life after Leonard, but it would officially end even the notion of thinking about contending for a championship unless they struck gold with whatever they got in return.

[SpursDynasty85]

Dude I saw the interview... He said nothing of the sort

https://youtu.be/GWRoQzZl3zI

Bro if you're going to post to human beings you could at least try to be objective. There is some tension and it surrounds Kawhi and they're Hope's of him being a better leader. Comes with any franchise. Spurs were not content with Kawhi just sitting in the bench quiet and ready to sub in. Kawhi has big shoes to fill as a franchise leader as would any body else in his type of situation. It so happens that it sucks he is in such a complicated situation with his health this season. Like I said it's not all 100% love relationship but it is being overhyped by the media.

[Chinook]

Off the top, there's been maybe 5, if I'm being generous, who could potentially be the best player on a le team: Davis, Antetokounmpo, Embiid, Towns, Simmons. In other words, you either need to hope to get the number #1 pick in the right year, with already relatively low odds decreasing next season or you need to hope to strike gold in the mid round, which is obviously even more unlikely.

There would be life after Leonard, but it would officially end even the notion of thinking about contending for a championship unless they struck gold with whatever they got in return.

There have been six drafts since Kawhi, and five franchise players. That's a really good rate. This year, there's a good chance one or two more come into the league. Obviously, the team would need to get one of those, but drafting is more skill-based than luck-based, and the Spurs have demonstrated a good skill for it.