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    National Review backs AOC's take on corporate welfare:

    I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Ocasio-Cortez is mostly correct on this matter, and her conservative critics are wrong. Handouts like this to Amazon and other prominent companies are appalling in their cronyism, pure and simple. I agree that she doesn’t understand economics and that her socialist ideal is a recipe for fiscal and economic disaster. But her conservative critics reveal their own economic misunderstanding when they support targeted tax breaks as a means of creating jobs.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...orate-welfare/

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    National Review backs AOC's take on corporate welfare:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...orate-welfare/
    She "doesn't understand economics".

    Ocasio-Cortez, 28, graduated from the College of Arts & Sciences in 2011, with a degree in economics and international relations
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/pol...1uI/story.html

    Confirmation bias anyone?

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    Capitalism is a failure, is fundamentally incompatible with democracy.

    But the oligarchy's brain-washing for 50+ years, helped by the Cold War, has fooled people into believing Capitalism and greed are the only ways to organize society.

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    Capitalism is a failure, is fundamentally incompatible with democracy.

    But the oligarchy's brain-washing for 50+ years, helped by the Cold War, has fooled people into believing Capitalism and greed are the only ways to organize society.
    what is your alternative proposal?

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    what is your alternative proposal?
    do you have any proposals for fixing ed up , or do you just like to about people who complain?

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    do you have any proposals for fixing ed up , or do you just like to about people who complain?
    When Boo comes in here and proclaims capitalism an evil failure I don't think it's unreasonable to ask what his proposed alternative is.

    As for my proposals:

    1) Get the out of all foreign pointless wars. I could give a about any of them. Cut the military budget
    2) give up on the war on drugs. Legalize, educate, and treat
    3) I'm OK with raising the retirement age
    4) Move the homeless into rural healthy camps where they can be housed and fed cheaply and receive basic medical care.
    5) I'm OK with nationwide government health clinics for primary care. Free medical school for 15 years service in same. Insurance would only be for catastrophic events.

    That's a start.

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    The homeless camps could evaluate and train the ones that want to better their lives. The crazy/hopeless ones can just be housed. Bring back vagrancy laws. No freaking panhandlers, no urban homeless. Pick em up and move them out or give em a bus ticket to San Francisco

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    Do away with the bail system. Don't show up for court? Automatic jail time when you get caught.

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    Make all employers use EVerify on all employees. Automatic fine and jail time for violators no exceptions. Besides curing immigration issues it cures child support issues and eliminates or severely curtails the cash economy.

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    City/county/state/federal should have to set up realistic reserves for pension obligations. If they cant afford that then privatize it and do 401Ks like everyone else. Having government employees retire after 30 years on full salary/benefits is bull when the ones paying for it are working till 70.

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    Have a three track school system. One for the gifted and ambitious kids that live to learn. One for the average kids that also want to learn. One for the ups to keep from dumbing down the curriculum for the rest. Bring back real vocational training in the schools for those that want it.

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    Totally rethink building codes to allow more affordable housing including finance. Tiny house communities with shared community facilities are a great starter homes for young people but zoning and finance are all about 3-2-2 suburbia which prices them out of range unless you move to the boondocks.

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    I'm all about legal immigration and a path to citizenship. Start with a green card, work ten years, pay your taxes, stay out of trouble, learn English (free classes) and you get to be a citizen after ten years.

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    How is that for starters winehole?

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    i can get behind a lot of that... dno about the 3 track school system, and 10 years wait for citizenship after already having permanent residency is a very long time

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    i can get behind a lot of that... dno about the 3 track school system, and 10 years wait for citizenship after already having permanent residency is a very long time
    It weeds out the ones you don't want. Keep your nose clean, keep a job, assimilate and be a positive to the community and you get full citizenship. up and you lose your green card. With everify mandatory, no work, no benefits, self deport or crime/jail. They are in the system with fingerprints, DNA, and an iden y.
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    Thanks for the candid and somewhat lengthy reply, CC.

    The openness is appreciated.

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    lol internment camps

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    Good takes there by CC, IMO. Might not agree with all of them, but it's a good start.

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    When Boo comes in here and proclaims capitalism an evil failure I don't think it's unreasonable to ask what his proposed alternative is.

    As for my proposals:

    1) Get the out of all foreign pointless wars. I could give a about any of them. Cut the military budget
    2) give up on the war on drugs. Legalize, educate, and treat
    3) I'm OK with raising the retirement age
    4) Move the homeless into rural healthy camps where they can be housed and fed cheaply and receive basic medical care.
    5) I'm OK with nationwide government health clinics for primary care. Free medical school for 15 years service in same. Insurance would only be for catastrophic events.

    That's a start.
    Except for number 3 I like all of these lol

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    CC's "take" is unsurprisingly racist, concentrating on immigrants, while natural born Americans can do 10x worse and mostly get away with it. It's Jaime Cuervo.

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    CC's "take" is unsurprisingly racist, concentrating on immigrants, while natural born Americans can do 10x worse and mostly get away with it. It's Jaime Cuervo.
    How is a clear path to citizenship for immigrants racist, head?

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    what is your alternative proposal?
    A government that puts peoples interests first.

    I think government that solely represents the rich isn't ing working for the rest of us.

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    When Boo comes in here and proclaims capitalism an evil failure I don't think it's unreasonable to ask what his proposed alternative is.

    As for my proposals:

    1) Get the out of all foreign pointless wars. I could give a about any of them. Cut the military budget
    2) give up on the war on drugs. Legalize, educate, and treat
    3) I'm OK with raising the retirement age
    4) Move the homeless into rural healthy camps where they can be housed and fed cheaply and receive basic medical care.
    5) I'm OK with nationwide government health clinics for primary care. Free medical school for 15 years service in same. Insurance would only be for catastrophic events.

    That's a start.
    Agreed, all points.

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    Totally rethink building codes to allow more affordable housing including finance. Tiny house communities with shared community facilities are a great starter homes for young people but zoning and finance are all about 3-2-2 suburbia which prices them out of range unless you move to the boondocks.
    Also agreed.

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