Woj: Spurs "a long way" from offering Leonard the supermax

[YGWHI]

Kawhitter didn’t even attend poop’s funeral tbh. No way poop lets Kawhitter resign with this team. Unless he retires.

YOU didn't attend Erin's funeral, Kawhi already did it. Even this Woj's article says he was there talking with teammates and Spurs' officials.

Stop trolling using Pop's lost....It's not funny.

[Mikeanaro]

Woj is full of , ing clown.

[DPG21920]

"HUGE DIFFERENCE"..If Kawhi plays in other city next season for $180M that means he was traded and got a $180M 4-5 years.

But the Spurs are asking him to play a whole season more without a long-term contract...That's why he will ask for a trade if he doesn't get the extension, he wants the security that only a 4-5 years contract can give now...

Spurs can and would give him that same 180M right now. It’s the 219M that is the question. If Kawhi is ok playing for another team for that much, why not SA?

[YGWHI]

I wonder if the Celtics would put forward the same deal for Tatum today after his play in the playoffs seemed to go to a new level. After all, Kwahi at this point is damaged goods, either physically or mentally.

When some guys here say the Spurs have "real leverage" they should realize how easy other teams could low ball them in trade-talks.

The rest of teams know there are many good FAs this offseason, they could sign them instead of giving young assets in a trade for Kawhi.

The Spurs have "real" leverage in offering him DPE or not, but they lose it if the player asks for a trade after not getting the extension.

[YGWHI]

Spurs can and would give him that same 180M right now.

Nah. If you read this thread you should know that the Spurs don't want him, the meeting is only to tell him he'll get traded because "$20 says Pop hates him"...

If Kawhi is ok for playing for another team for that much, why not SA?

What's the incentive to play for a small market if they pay the same than a bigger market?

Don't mention winning in these superteams era, or coaching when Pop would retire before Kawhis extension stars or he would retire in the first years of the new contract...I can't see Pop coaching until 2024.

[DPG21920]

Nah. If you read this thread you should know that the Spurs don't want him, the meeting is only to tell him he'll get traded because "$20 says Pop hates him"...


What's the incentive to play for a small market if they pay the same than a bigger market?

Don't mention winning in these superteams era, or coaching when Pop would retire before Kawhis extension stars or he would retire in the first years of the new contract...I can't see Pop coaching until 2024.

Winning is a big deal. Small markets have proven to be just as good as marketing yourself as any other market (see Bron, Lillard, etc..) and TX has no state income taxes so that same money actually goes further here.

Spurs drafted and developed him as well. No loyalty even though SA would be willing to give him the same max money as another team?

[YGWHI]

Small markets have proven to be just as good as marketing yourself as any other market (see Bron, Lillard, etc..)

Depends on the player. California and Warriors give Draymond a market place he wouldn't get in other franchise...Can you imagine him signing the same endorsements in SA or Utah? The same thing was with Blake Griffin and the Clips.

and TX has no state income taxes so that same money actually goes further here.

Good point to take into account

Spurs drafted and developed him as well. No loyalty even though SA would be willing to give him the same max money as another team?

SA wouldn't be willing to give him more money than any other team...

Also, I wouldn't talk about loyalty when one of his teammates said his injury "was 100 times worse..." And other didn't include him on his list of top 5 players in this league.

I've said before that teams shouldn't wash dirty laundry in front sports' media or in social media.

And teammates shouldn't question the superstar of a team in public unless they want to run him off the city.

Anyway, it seems like we only talk about loyalty when the Spurs ask a player to take a paycut...

Why should players care about owners' money when they aren't willing to pay them properly?

Why should players support owners' being cheap?

IDK No one would say LeBron is a loyal guy but we would love to have him on the team

[itzsoweezee]

This sounds like woj is talking out his ass. Shams took Woj's crown anyway

[rasuo214]

Unless the Spurs have a great off-season there will be a lot of uncertainty going into next season. Both with the coaching staff and the roster. So it would be a pretty big gamble to not offer Kawhi an extension. Imo if they aren't comfortable with offering Kawhi the supermax then they need to seriously consider trading him before they risk getting nothing for him. Only reason not to trade him would be if they think they have a serious shot at the le.

[DMC]

Klay’s father recently said his son isn’t taking a paycut, and Draymond just ranted that his last paycut is why they got Durant and he will turn down an upcoming extension so he will be eligible for a bigger deal. The euphoria stage is over for this superteam. Already saw Steph take the max and Iggy get greedy and force the Warriors hands. Klay/Green will follow suit.

This is why teams don't go 7 or 8 rings in a row. You cannot keep a team together with that kind of success. Still, you could get rid of Draymond and Iggy and bring in just mid level guys and the Warriors are still the favorites to win. As long as KD and Steph are on the same team, it's going to be tough for anyone to put up more points than them. KD alone can bury you in points. Klay as their 3rd or sometimes 4th option is just the beating of the dead horse. His career would probably be better served to play elsewhere but he'll get a HOF nod if he sticks around Oakland for a few more years.

[DMC]

Unless the Spurs have a great off-season there will be a lot of uncertainty going into next season. Both with the coaching staff and the roster. So it would be a pretty big gamble to not offer Kawhi an extension. Imo if they aren't comfortable with offering Kawhi the supermax then they need to seriously consider trading him before they risk getting nothing for him. Only reason not to trade him would be if they think they have a serious shot at the le.

Trade him for what? Anything they could get in return will still cost money, and likely won't sell seats.

[phxspurfan]

Trade him for what? Anything they could get in return will still cost money, and likely won't sell seats.

Trade for youngins, picks and expirings. No way a team with Gasol, Parker, Manu and Mills (much less Anderson and Murray) beats the superDubs for the next 5 years anyway

[DMC]

Trade for youngins, picks and expirings. No way a team with Gasol, Parker, Manu and Mills (much less Anderson and Murray) beats the superDubs for the next 5 years anyway

But no one wants season tickets to watch the D league at NBA prices.

[phxspurfan]

No one buys season tickets to the Spurs anymore anyway. U see all those empties at every home game? U get the emails I get after buying like 2 tickets in the Superbox for random home games? Theyre prepping for nuclear winter dude

[alpha_HaZE]

Woj and the ESPN are speculating. It's good to have someone verify that Boston made an offer for Kawhi and the Spurs didn't answer the phone, but we all knew that. It's not like he told us what was on the table. We all remember Zack Lowe's podcast right.

The good news is that both the Spurs and Kawhi want to work things out and I am confident they will. Once the Kawhi situation has been resolved, then Lebron will decide where he wants to play next. If he comes on the West, I hope it's for the Spurs. Otherwise, he better stay East

With Kawhi back, and say the rest of the squad is back with some internal growth, I like our chances against anyone.

[rasuo214]

Trade him for what? Anything they could get in return will still cost money, and likely won't sell seats.

Winning sells seats. Unless they plan on selling the team in the next year it would make sense to set the team up to be successful beyond next season.

[spurs10]

No one buys season tickets to the Spurs anymore anyway. U see all those empties at every home game? U get the emails I get after buying like 2 tickets in the Superbox for random home games? Theyre prepping for nuclear winter dude

Last year was likely the worst it’s been as far as selling tickets and I had no problem selling mine when I couldn’t make it. If Kawhi is playing it will again be difficult to get good seats at a good price.

[99 Problems]

Kawhi will stay.

He will sign an extension for 5 years

$190M

This leaves the Spurs with the best player on the planet. The extension is at a small discount per season, it is born out of the facts that he was very well paid this past season whilst out injured, but allows him security moving forward. He will also be reminded that at the end of the contract he will only be at the ages that CPstill0butshouldbe1 and LeBron are now and no doubt take note of the money they stand to make still. Off court will look after itself. As the best player in the league he will get his etc, Captain the Olympic team for Pop in Japan, be huge in China etc. It’s reasonably straight forward lol.

[venitian navigator]

Kawhi will stay.

He will sign an extension for 5 years

$190M

This leaves the Spurs with the best player on the planet. The extension is at a small discount per season, it is born out of the facts that he was very well paid this past season whilst out injured, but allows him security moving forward. He will also be reminded that at the end of the contract he will only be at the ages that CPstill0butshouldbe1 and LeBron are now and no doubt take note of the money they stand to make still. Off court will look after itself. As the best player in the league he will get his etc, Captain the Olympic team for Pop in Japan, be huge in China etc. It’s reasonably straight forward lol.

that looks reasonable...and a good way to end all the media trash talking...

[spurs10]

Kawhi will stay.

He will sign an extension for 5 years

$190M

This leaves the Spurs with the best player on the planet. The extension is at a small discount per season, it is born out of the facts that he was very well paid this past season whilst out injured, but allows him security moving forward. He will also be reminded that at the end of the contract he will only be at the ages that CPstill0butshouldbe1 and LeBron are now and no doubt take note of the money they stand to make still. Off court will look after itself. As the best player in the league he will get his etc, Captain the Olympic team for Pop in Japan, be huge in China etc. It’s reasonably straight forward lol.

Especially if he buys in to winning. Leave something for the support crew- Tim style....which might be why he's there.

that looks reasonable...and a good way to end all the media trash talking...

It is indeed time to move on. He was hurt last season, of course speculation was rampant.

[99 Problems]

And you know that there’s no way in we go all good for launch on LeBron without having Kawhi sorted first. Because the first serious ball question Bron asks Pop. “So Pop, tell me, wots happening with Kawhi”

[r0drig0lac]

And you know that there’s no way in we go all good for launch on LeBron without having Kawhi sorted first. Because the first serious ball question Bron asks Pop. “So Pop, tell me, wots happening with Kawhi”

[baseline bum]

"HUGE DIFFERENCE"..If Kawhi plays in other city next season for $180M that means he was traded and got a $180M 4-5 years.

But the Spurs are asking him to play a whole season more without a long-term contract...That's why he will ask for a trade if he doesn't get the extension, he wants the security that only a 4-5 years contract can give now...

So ing what? Kawhi wanted his use his own doctors since August 2017 and their rehab was so ty he ended up missing the season for a minor injury. If he's going to pull that again why would the Spurs blow $219 million on him?

[YGWHI]

So ing what? Kawhi wanted his use his own doctors since August 2017 and their rehab was so ty he ended up missing the season for a minor injury. If he's going to pull that again why would the Spurs blow $219 million on him?

Are you telling me that injury provisions clauses don't exist in NBA contracts?

If you say that player's contracts can't include clauses to protect the teams from some injuries...I can't help.

Also, you should read about Embiid's extension.

[MoSpur02]

If he was concerned about his injury to sit out a whole season and went his own way with different doctors so that he wouldn't hurt his long-term career and people look at it as "good for him" for taking care of his future; then the Spurs should also take a whole season to wait before investing $219 million on him to see if his health holds up and to see if he can still perform at an elite level.

Yet people look at it as a slap in the face of Kawhi or some sort of a disrespect if they don't offer the super max this off season. I don't get it.

He took a whole year off and got paid a lot of money to rehab or whatever. The Spurs didn't like it one bit and considered trading him, but held off and paid him his money. Yet he and his camp will request a trade if the Spurs don't offer him an extension this off-season? Doesn't seem fair. I say make him earn the $219 this season. If he is the elite level player we all know he is then he shouldn't have a problem qualifying for that extension this season.