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I was pimping the Clippers deal but I didn't see sure things beyond about 7-8.
Uh . . . because this was a really deep draft. We had to lose Green to move Kawhi . . . what for? And with Tobias the whole question of shooting 3's/being inefficient isn't an issue. Sorry . . . honestly, I think if we had waited we could've gotten Clippers to gut their assets for us in August or so.
I was pimping the Clippers deal but I didn't see sure things beyond about 7-8.
Spurs have made the most out of their late 1st round picks. Who's to say they couldn't have same magic with late lottery picks?
The only upside is that DDR averaged more than 5 assists last season. It's sort of a lot to ask Chip to fix both DJM's and DRR's shots in one offseason, though.
Our perimeter defense has been gutted in any case.
Someone other than LaMarcus has to score for this team. DeRozan has an elite offensive game and was the best talent to be offered for Leonard. The Spurs had been listening to/shopping Leonard for the past six weeks or so. I think it says plenty that this was the best offer the Spurs were able to get. Think about it, if any other 'top 5' player was on the block in a similar scenario wouldn't there at least be a little more offered, even for a 1 year rental? Toronto was willing to take the chance, but even then they are moving a player from a core which has essentially hit their ceiling in the EC, and yes, freeing themselves from a $50+MM commitment in 2019-21.
I don't think the Spurs make this move unless it's clear that trying to wait out the situation wasn't going to yield better return. Six weeks is a long time in the NBA. That this was the best return the Spurs could find is all you need to know about Leonard's standing in the league today. Also, the Spurs making the trade says a lot.
They already got the guy they wanted to trade up for and he'll be incubating for at least a year.
I don't think anyone in this draft is going to be capable of dropping 40 on the Warriors this season tbh.
I can't say I'm happy with the trade but DD can play now.
Toronto will have a better win % against the west then the Spurs will.
You are a Spurs front office homer, always have been. I have never seen you say any critical of the front office. You must be employed by them. So your opinion is the Spurs made the best deal possible lol. Any deal that the spurs would have made to you would have been the best deal possible. lol That is the way a Front office homer thinks.
Spurs had better options but were hampered by the dual agendas of 1) refusing to seriously negotiate with the Lakers and 2) avoid an immediate rebuild.
According to Woj, Lakers offered Ingram & #1 before they signed anyone, which would've given SA immediate cap space, a former #2 pick and an unprotected first round pick. With this DeRozan deal, the Spurs will be stuck in what Jerry West calls "the morass of the middle" where they are too good to get a premiere player in the draft, yet not good enough to win at a high level.
You are crazy. Porter had super star upside and the spurs could have drafted him with the 12th pick and Miles Bridges can also be a solid starter spurs could have had him with 13. Tobias Harris is better than Poeltl who will never be good enough to be a starter. Had the Spurs made the Clipper trade you would have said it is a great trade for the Spurs.
Ingram + a first vs DeRozan/Poeltl/Pick? I would take TOR offer. SA can have close to 30M in cap space with a couple moves and have DeRozan/LMA to build around.
Would rather have given Tobias a 4/100 contract extension than take on DDR's 3/80 contract, tbh.
Agreed. I said the exact same thing on draft day...
the spurs believe that young players develop better with more graduated responsibility. They think that having older vets teach younger guys good habits is important for development. How important that actually is, I don't know; but that's always been a core philosophy. So it makes sense that they are refusing to tank now. Personally, I disagree and think they should bottom out and trade vets for picks. But the spurs have been successful in developing players, from Parker to Kawhi to Dejounte. The front office is banking on their ability to teach players, which is probably why they drafted Lonnie walker this year who's a guy who's high character and has good tools but really has no idea how to play basketball. Same with Dejounte.
For that reason, I don't think the spurs will ever tank if they can help it; it goes against their front office philosophy for better or for worse
Reality is a "front office homer". Figure it out.
I believe you would.
In most drafts but this draft was deeper than most. The 12 and 13 picks were solid picks that will make NBA teams.
We won the ring in 2007. Remember, it took the bench in SA to get your superstar past the 1st round.
It's an offensive league. You have to score to beat the top 4 teams. Defending is great, but you'll be buried by 30 points quickly when you rest your best defenders against the elite offensive squads.
Most of this feigning misery is irrelevant as he was not being dealt West, simple as that.
Not getting OG or at least Siakam is the real killer. Spurs could have addressed problem at the 3 with one of those Clipper picks & a stopgap in Tobias Harris to be safe. Either way Spurs are compe ive & get assets.
Was it really worth sending him East if it lowered the return we got? Only upside is if he continues to throw a tantrum . . . entertainment.
Can anyone explain specifically what does protected first round pick will do? Is this correct?
"The 2019 first-round pick the Raps included in the deal is top-20 protected — if it falls between 1-20 then it becomes two future second-rounders."
I thought it's the other way around - if it falls between 1-20, the pick will be ours.
You just march along with whatever the Spurs front office does and call it the best they could have done.
Homer all the way/ No surprise you have always been. Reality is you are a homer. Reality is ,the Spurs were undecided if they wanted to trade Kawhi (they were not actively putting out offers just listening to offers that came to them) and that indecisiveness cost them in their return. Leonard should have been traded during the season last year and at most the latest on draft night. The Spurs waited too long to decide to make a trade.
It's ours if it's between 21-30.
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