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    Literally everyone on here is thrashing him... Yet you single me out... So ur issue isn't what I'm saying... Your issue is ME
    Actually everyone is trashing you. Half the people are trashing DDr because he is in a slump. It's called being fickle. Something you and others should try not to be.

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    What's really annoying is people blaming his depression for his poor play.
    Well, he has a history of depression bouts. Which is nothing to take lightly or have fun of.

    But it might arguably be the reason of his ty play.
    If that is the case: he must take time off and get treatment.
    If it isn't the reason: he must take time off and find some kind of NBA-level game.

    Regardless, he must be off the floor.
    Hopefully it is not late, and again hopefully this is not getting under the skin of the teammates. There were several instances of clear frustration from the other players both on the floor and on the bench. And that is only what I could see on the TV screen...

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    What's really annoying is people blaming his depression for his poor play.

    how can you not? dude's always crying about something

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    Well, he has a history of depression bouts. Which is nothing to take lightly or have fun of.

    But it might arguably be the reason of his ty play.
    If that is the case: he must take time off and get treatment.
    If it isn't the reason: he must take time off and find some kind of NBA-level game.

    Regardless, he must be off the floor.
    Hopefully it is not late, and again hopefully this is not getting under the skin of the teammates. There were several instances of clear frustration from the other players both on the floor and on the bench. And that is only what I could see on the TV screen...
    Actually, he really doesn't. There is no do ented history of this at all. The only evidence that he has had any depression issues is the one-line social media post he made saying "This depression got the best of me". He got all kinds of positive support for that, so he later offered more info saying that he has his ups and downs and no matter how strong a pro athlete seems they have their days too.

    That's it.

    So yes, Demar has admitted he has better days and worse days, but that's not a diagnosis of clinical depression or something. He's a little bit fragile mentally for someone who's supposed to be a star athlete, so he probably struggles with that, but prior to that little message all everyone heard about Demar was how hard he worked how much of a gym rat he was, how motovated he was to get better every year, etc... and these aren't things that happen when someone struggles to gwt out of bed or can't cope with people or other signs of true depression. He was having troubles with his girl and was feeling emotional about it. Everyone gets depressed over things at times, but that is NOT the same as having a history of depression in the sense of the debilitating sort of depression that people get on meds for. It's not the same as being chemically imbalanced.

    It's the pressure of being a highly paid professional athlete and being judged on results. Some people can handle it some people can't. If that makes them sad or makes them question themselves, that is NOT the same as true depression. It's no different than the temporary, normal emotions that no adult human escapes from when things aren't going their way, when they have job or relationship troubles, etc...

    It has become a convenient excuse for his fans who aren't willing or able to accept that he's simply not as good as they think he is and to cover up his fragile ego.

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    how can you not? dude's always crying about something
    His whole career, not since he joined the Spurs. He at least put up respectable stat padding numbers in Toronto during the regular season and it got him a nice max contract for his efforts. However, he was never that good and when Toronto actually needed him to produce, he was nowhere to be found.

    He must have been living in his own little pretend world if he thought fans actually wanted him there. Don't confuse whining and attention whoring with depression. If he was truly depressed, he'd be moping around, disinterested on both ends of the court, not jacking up 16 uneventful shots in an attempt to heroball the team to victory.

    If you want to see what depression looks like, check out Lamar Odom's #'s after he left the Lakers, DeRozan is still right around his career norms on the season which is kind of scary and it should give you an indication that he just isn't that important to a team's success as some would like to suggest. Toronto doesn't miss a beat when Leonard sits and without DeRozan and neither do the Spurs.

    DeRozan's career on-off #'s...

    2009-10 -7.1
    2010-11 -3.3
    2011-12 +3.3
    2012-13 -1.9
    2013-14 -0.3
    2014-15 -0.9
    2015-16 -6.1
    2016-17 -4.7
    2017-18 -2.7
    2018-19 -11.5
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    DeMar has shown what he can do, Aldridge has found a way to improve in almost all aspects of his game here. We'll see if DeMar is up to the challenge.
    The Spurs are not in need to ring now, they are not fully healthy, and not one important members of the team is not secured long term.
    We can afford this situation with DeMar if it makes him and the team stronger on the long run.
    Toronto on the other hand may be facing their last year as a relevant team.

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    DeMar has shown what he can do, Aldridge has found a way to improve in almost all aspects of his game here. We'll see if DeMar is up to the challenge.
    The Spurs are not in need to ring now, they are not fully healthy, and not one important members of the team is not secured long term.
    We can afford this situation with DeMar if it makes him and the team stronger on the long run.
    Toronto on the other hand may be facing their last year as a relevant team.

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    DeMar has shown what he can do, Aldridge has found a way to improve in almost all aspects of his game here. We'll see if DeMar is up to the challenge.
    The Spurs are not in need to ring now, they are not fully healthy, and not one important members of the team is not secured long term.
    We can afford this situation with DeMar if it makes him and the team stronger on the long run.
    Toronto on the other hand may be facing their last year as a relevant team.
    Doubt it

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    His whole career, not since he joined the Spurs. He at least put up respectable stat padding numbers in Toronto during the regular season and it got him a nice max contract for his efforts. However, he was never that good and when Toronto actually needed him to produce, he was nowhere to be found.

    He must have been living in his own little pretend world if he thought fans actually wanted him there. Don't confuse whining and attention whoring with depression. If he was truly depressed, he'd be moping around, disinterested on both ends of the court, not jacking up 16 uneventful shots in an attempt to heroball the team to victory.

    If you want to see what depression looks like, check out Lamar Odom's #'s after he left the Lakers, DeRozan is still right around his career norms on the season which is kind of scary and it should give you an indication that he just isn't that important to a team's success as some would like to suggest. Toronto doesn't miss a beat when Leonard sits and without DeRozan and neither do the Spurs.

    DeRozan's career on-off #'s...

    2009-10 -7.1
    2010-11 -3.3
    2011-12 +3.3
    2012-13 -1.9
    2013-14 -0.3
    2014-15 -0.9
    2015-16 -6.1
    2016-17 -4.7
    2017-18 -2.7
    2018-19 -11.5
    I agree with everything you're saying. My point is that his depression/ ass ness is a central element of his character and isn't something that flares up and causes him to occasionally play poorly. our ceiling isn't that high with derozan tbh. we need young wings

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    A Big Depression Problem.
    Especially now that he wont be an all star

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    Actually, he really doesn't. There is no do ented history of this at all. The only evidence that he has had any depression issues is the one-line social media post he made saying "This depression got the best of me". He got all kinds of positive support for that, so he later offered more info saying that he has his ups and downs and no matter how strong a pro athlete seems they have their days too.

    That's it.

    So yes, Demar has admitted he has better days and worse days, but that's not a diagnosis of clinical depression or something. He's a little bit fragile mentally for someone who's supposed to be a star athlete, so he probably struggles with that, but prior to that little message all everyone heard about Demar was how hard he worked how much of a gym rat he was, how motovated he was to get better every year, etc... and these aren't things that happen when someone struggles to gwt out of bed or can't cope with people or other signs of true depression. He was having troubles with his girl and was feeling emotional about it. Everyone gets depressed over things at times, but that is NOT the same as having a history of depression in the sense of the debilitating sort of depression that people get on meds for. It's not the same as being chemically imbalanced.

    It's the pressure of being a highly paid professional athlete and being judged on results. Some people can handle it some people can't. If that makes them sad or makes them question themselves, that is NOT the same as true depression. It's no different than the temporary, normal emotions that no adult human escapes from when things aren't going their way, when they have job or relationship troubles, etc...

    It has become a convenient excuse for his fans who aren't willing or able to accept that he's simply not as good as they think he is and to cover up his fragile ego.
    He said it himself, that he had several instances and he was happy he found the courage to seek help.

    But I guess you must know more than him about his health.

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    Well, he has a history of depression bouts. Which is nothing to take lightly or have fun of.

    But it might arguably be the reason of his ty play.
    If that is the case: he must take time off and get treatment.
    If it isn't the reason: he must take time off and find some kind of NBA-level game.

    Regardless, he must be off the floor.
    Hopefully it is not late, and again hopefully this is not getting under the skin of the teammates. There were several instances of clear frustration from the other players both on the floor and on the bench. And that is only what I could see on the TV screen...
    He needs to stay off the raptors forum if he doesnt wanna be depressed...they dont keep it a secret how much they do not miss this guy

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    His whole career, not since he joined the Spurs. He at least put up respectable stat padding numbers in Toronto during the regular season and it got him a nice max contract for his efforts. However, he was never that good and when Toronto actually needed him to produce, he was nowhere to be found.

    He must have been living in his own little pretend world if he thought fans actually wanted him there. Don't confuse whining and attention whoring with depression. If he was truly depressed, he'd be moping around, disinterested on both ends of the court, not jacking up 16 uneventful shots in an attempt to heroball the team to victory.

    If you want to see what depression looks like, check out Lamar Odom's #'s after he left the Lakers, DeRozan is still right around his career norms on the season which is kind of scary and it should give you an indication that he just isn't that important to a team's success as some would like to suggest. Toronto doesn't miss a beat when Leonard sits and without DeRozan and neither do the Spurs.

    DeRozan's career on-off #'s...

    2009-10 -7.1
    2010-11 -3.3
    2011-12 +3.3
    2012-13 -1.9
    2013-14 -0.3
    2014-15 -0.9
    2015-16 -6.1
    2016-17 -4.7
    2017-18 -2.7
    2018-19 -11.5
    Damn! Those on/offs are telling!

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    DePression is probably depressed 24/7, but he looks slower and more apprehensive on the court. It might be some nagging injuries. Rest his ass for a few games. When Spurs win without him, and he's more healthy, he'll be back with a vengeance. We know he can play. I'm gonna say injuries and give him benefit of the doubt. Still gonna clown on him though.

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    DePression is probably depressed 24/7, but he looks slower and more apprehensive on the court. It might be some nagging injuries. Rest his ass for a few games. When Spurs win without him, and he's more healthy, he'll be back with a vengeance. We know he can play. I'm gonna say injuries and give him benefit of the doubt. Still gonna clown on him though.
    If u keep telling urself he has a mystery injury and will bounce back, he will disappoint u like he did raps fans...trade...we cant win a ring with him nor lma

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    If u keep telling urself he has a mystery injury and will bounce back, he will disappoint u like he did raps fans...trade...we cant win a ring with him nor lma
    He's proven he can play, and looks to be in a slump. Pop also said he's dealing with nagging injuries. We already did a trade, and got DDR and Jakob. What exactly do you suggest Spurs do with LMA and DDR? Trade for what? There's nothing we can get that will get us a ring now. Trade for youngsters and hope we ring in 5 years? We already have a young core of DJ, White, and Lonnie. This is who we're rocking with. LMA is a beast, and has been all last year, and this year since December. I'm not a huge believer in DePression either, but he's what we have now. Unless you can give me a top 5 superstar for both LMA and DDR, then there's no trade that can be done.

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    The problem is when players don’t know they are playing badly. DDR appears to know he’s playing like hot garbage. Pop and the team are probably telling to stay aggressive. Just a slump during the long season.

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    It's weird that former allstars like RJ/Finley/Dice look worse on the Spurs but Spurs role players tend to look worse when they leave.

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    Dice was just fine for the Spurs. Dude was just old and injured.

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    It's weird that former allstars like RJ/Finley/Dice look worse on the Spurs but Spurs role players tend to look worse when they leave.
    Uh Finley played fine while he was here. He and Dice. They were just old when they came to SA. RJ was a different story. He was traded for during an eta where most "analytics" were just Hollingers PER and people just looked at his PPG in Milwaukee and assumed he was an AS caliber player. He was only made relevant again as a journeyman playing spot minutes of the bench with Lebron James, arguably the greatest elevator of role payer talent in NBA history.

    Derozan has looked fine with SA. He has looked better in some ways than in Toronto. He is definitely ina slump the last 10 games or so. But I'm sure he will shake it off. 21/6/6 are not garbage numbers

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    Dice was just fine for the Spurs. Dude was just old and injured.
    Dice's game winning tip-in against the lakers was enough to validate his spurs tenure

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    Dice's game winning tip-in against the lakers was enough to validate his spurs tenure
    Ah yes, back when games against the Lakers actually meant something.

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    Dice's game winning tip-in against the lakers was enough to validate his spurs tenure
    Or that block on Jason Terry in the playoffs:



    Truth be told, McDyess was the first role-player I ever got attached to. Really wish that dude had gotten a ring before he retired.

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    Dice was one of the good ones

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    As Pop has said many times, basketball isn't that important, it's only a game..

    Hopefully DeRozan finds peace within himself and gets over this, even if the Spurs miss the playoffs..
    Ah, the passive aggressive troll post.

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