I haven't seen squat out of Walker.
Walker is adjusting to the halfcourt defenses in the pros. He can't successfully complete iso plays the way he did in college, even in the G-League. Hopefully he develops a decent floater to make up for some of the layups and dunks that are no longer available to him. He already looks pretty good shooting jumpers off picks around the arc.
So what's keeping him from getting to the rim? Handles, first step, recognition? Or is it just that NBA defenders (even G-League) are that much quicker?
Hopefully if he develops a solid floater it will start freezing defenders and get him to the rim more often.
I'd say mostly the defenders and defenses are much better in the pros.
Yep, a little too predictable when I've seen him.Hopefully if he develops a solid floater it will start freezing defenders and get him to the rim more often.
There is nothing keeping Lonnie from getting to the rim physically. He has more than a good enough handle. He clearly has the strength and ability to rise and finish. It’s just learning angles and getting a better feel for the game and when to go as the gaps close faster and most everyone is long and athletic.
But I am very confident he will get there.
Me too; the stuff he can already do is impressive enough.
I didn't say to move White to the bench and I just can't see Murray given his makeup to revert back to the bench without considerable protest. It just won't happen and given that the Spurs brass feel that Murray will be a star, it's even less likely. It's either Murray starts or is traded. There are no other options and I'll bet the farm on it.
This is where we will continue to disagree. Murray showed considerable more toughness than White who virtually disappeared after his 1 breakout game against Denver. His mental approach is too fragile and at least so far seems to lack that killer instinct which Murray has shown in my view. Furthermore, I still think Murray is the better defender between the 2, which he had an historic season on that side of the ball in the 2017 season. His jumper will be greatly improved as well next year so I fully expect him to be starting with or without Derrick.
Manu's greatness was due to his instincts and I think there's a difference between basketball IQ and instincts. The way he played was 100% instinctual, creativity and heart.
A high basketball IQ player doesn't foul Dirk on a dunk when you're up three points or commit more than a handful of similar turnovers in Game 6. But Manu didn't always do what was technically the right play, he based his decisions off of instincts ... and that's what ultimately made him great. Sure, he made a lot of mistakes in his career but more than made up for it. Early in his career, Pop tried to force Manu to player "smarter" but thankfully Manu told Pop he wasn't going to play that way -- he was just going to "do what I do." That turned out to be a franchise altering decision, tbh.
The great Emmanuel David Ginobili was a basketball genius. Creativity is part of basketball IQ. Being able to see/attempt some of the plays he did, being such a master of the pick and roll, having arguably the best courtvision of any SG ever, being tasked with being the closer of a dynasty for a decade+, being able to play and be effective into his 40s--that's all cerebral. Sure, his compe ive nature got the best of him sometimes but the man was still a genius.
pot calling the kettle black.
"derrick sucks. don't prop him up yet."
That's because he has barely played in actual NBA games. Lol.
The guy has a good looking shot, NBA caliber athleticism, decent handle, and actual size to play the 2 in the NBA. He has shown some flashes here and there when given spot minutes
Thank goodness he didn't F*ck that up. Pop's biggest fault is his stubbornness. Manu was a WINNER and I agree 100% on the mistakes he made. I forgave him for his mistakes because he played to win. He did his best to make the best play and wasn't a selfish player. He made the right pass to Horry for the 3 in Game 5 against the Pistons. Made great passes to SJax in his rookie season for open 3's against the Nets too.
He's a complete unknown as far as I'm concerned. He's got athletic ability but hasn't shown he can stay healthy. He's so raw, he could turn out to be a James White at this point. I could care less about his scoring, I want to see him play tenacious D. That's what this team sorely lacks.
Obviously I'm not going to be able to change your mind about Him but part of what Manu Manu is that he didn't always make the "right" play. Basketball IQ, IMO, is about processing things quickly and understanding the right play. Instincts/creativity is a separate category ... and pretty much has to be because it really isn't predicated on making the "right" play.
By just hearing Manu talk one can realize he has, not only basketball related, but high IQ everything, tbh.
I mean, that isn't instinct, tbh. That's just some smart ass , tbh.
I trust PATFO's ability to bring in players who will work for them. And I'd love for Murray's play to match his at ude. But I don't think "Pop thinks Murray will be a star" is going to mean DJM will be force fed minutes. I think only a couple of people here would be upset by Murray getting put on a pedestal if he earns it. I think Pop will start off with the intention for Murray and White to play starring roles. But if one or the other doesn't back up his confidence, he will bench them. Remember, Pop benched Murray in 2017-2018 when he wasn't playing well enough to hold onto the spot. I don't think he'd be against doing it again, especially because the alternative might be a White who should be much better than 2017 Parker or a Walker who has the highest ceiling on the team.
I'd love for Murray to break out into s om. But coming off an injury and with the rest of the roster construction, I can't see that being a guarantee.
Derrick really didn't play that poorly in Games 4-6. He averaged 11 and 3 in those games. That's better than Murray's entire GS series in 2018. Game 7 was certainly awful, but I think the first six games showed a consistently good level of play affected mostly by the increased attention Denver paid to him after Game 3. I really don't think it's fair at all to praise Murray's "killer instinct" when White actually won a game for his club while the best DJM did was 12 points against GS. That's not to rag too hard on Murray. You shouldn't expect young players to come in and give star-level impacts their first real series out. Just think you should afford White the same understanding.This is where we will continue to disagree. Murray showed considerable more toughness than White who virtually disappeared after his 1 breakout game against Denver. His mental approach is too fragile and at least so far seems to lack that killer instinct which Murray has shown in my view. Furthermore, I still think Murray is the better defender between the 2, which he had an historic season on that side of the ball in the 2017 season. His jumper will be greatly improved as well next year so I fully expect him to be starting with or without Derrick.
Anyway, you know we have different views on the defense. I think it's up to whether the true mark of a defender is his one-on-one ability or his group ability. But it's just a fact that Murray did not follow the other team's best perimeter player up and down the floor each possession like White did. Pop didn't put DJM in a ton of obvious size mismatches for him to have to battle his way through. White was "tough" enough to guard Kawhi Leonard and get the best of him. I don't think Murray has a signature "grit" game to his name. Not saying that as an insult. Just honestly don't remember one.
http://https://www.livescience.com/16429-genius-greatest-minds-jobs-einstein-hawking.html
They are missing Manu and Beethoven
Your evidence of his basketball IQ is two flops, tbh?
You must think James Harden is the smartest organism in the history or future of all the universes that have and/or will ever exist.
Your evidence of his basketball IQ is two flops, tbh?
You must think James Harden is the smartest organism in the history or future of all the universes that have and/or will ever exist.
LOL. You call those flops? That's just Manu being Manu. I get your point about Harden, but I remember when Manu got so far into George Karl's kitchen that he was complaining about Manu's hair. He said that when Manu threw his head back while flopping, the long hair would fly and the refs would blow a whistle. I don't know if that's IQ or instinct, but it was definitely basketball genius. When the opposition is that focused on one player's hair, they're already beat.
I used to love to watch him put spin on a bounce pass so that he could get the ball past a defender, and then skip left or right to hit his man in stride. Maybe other players could do that, but doing it on the fly in game conditions? You couldn't think about doing it - it has to be had wired. Or when he saw an open passing lane for an easy score, but the only way to get it past the defender was to throw it like a MLB fastball, so he wouldn't have time to react?
He had basketball IQ, but he also had an instinct for the game like nobody else I've ever seen play the game. And I appreciate him being a winner, but he also made the game damn fun to watch.
intelligence is like "team is doing this, i should do this" "time is X, so execute set play" etc etc
Instinct is like reaction time. Gino is great at seeing, but not a great leader. He rans plays, but mainly for himself as the main actor. Duncan on the other hand, was a QB like player on offense and defense.
Manu made some of the dumbest plays ever because he didn't think through the consequences of his actions. I can get behind the idea that he didn't have a traditional mind for the game like Tim did. But I don't think it helps to narrow the definition of "BBIQ" that much.
Yeah, the way Harden exploits the NBA rules to force refs to make calls in his favour is pretty damn brilliant, tbh.Your evidence of his basketball IQ is two flops, tbh?
You must think James Harden is the smartest organism in the history or future of all the universes that have and/or will ever exist.
Also, lol at arguing that sequence by Manu wasn't smart. You are just being a contrarian for the sake of it, tbh.
From what little I’ve seen of him, he’s looked scrubby. I hope he impresses next year, but I’m not holding my breath. But at least he’ll continue to peddle his Flat Earth BS.
Bbb but everybody said spurs were willing to move up to 10 to get the star they coveted .He has to b special
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