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    Marilyn Rae Lover jochhejaam's Avatar
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    Does anyone have a clue as to what you can do with 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium? It takes only 20 kilograms (44 lbs) to make a bomb so with 1.77 metric tons equaling roughly 3,900 lbs you could make 88 bombs! <I believe my math is correct>

    Show us the weapons.
    I'm not convinced about the WMD's in Iraq. They have not been found

    Bush Lied, People Died!!!!!!
    Dumbya won't even acknowledge that the intelligence was screwed up.
    That man is a liar, PERIOD!!!
    Saddam wouldn't have given WMD's to al Qaeda even IF he had possessed them, so I honestly didn't give a if he had WMD's anyways.

    WMDs Found in Iraq

    Posted Nov 9, 2005


    Contrary to ongoing reports by mainstream media outlets, WMDs have been found in Iraq, so reports New York Times best-selling author Richard Miniter in his new book, Disinformation.


    Consider these shocking facts:

    Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium!!

    Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

    Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

    Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

    Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin






    This is only a partial list of the deadly weapons Miniter reveals in his new book, Disinformation. Miniter systematically dissects the "No-WMD Myth" (how it started, and why it continues), as well as 21 other War-on-Terror myths perpetuated by the media.

    The intelligence revealed in Disinformation is vital. The publisher (Regnery, a sister company of HUMAN EVENTS) has agreed to send you one key chapter--free. Simply indicate below to which email address you want the chapter sent and you will receive it in a matter of minutes.

    http://www.humaneventsonline.com/sar...10101&o=DIB004

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    1) There is the further question whether this uranium is highly enriched or slightly/low enriched. Slightly/low enriched doesn't mean much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enriched_uranium

    Normally one should avoid ad hominem attacks, but I really wonder where this guy got his information.

    I always worry when people start saying "look at this that the mainstream media is ignoring". The fact that the website is rabidly conservative doesn't give me much cause to think that journalistic integrity is high on their list.
    I get the feeling that this guy is probably mincing words to make his case. Par for most right/left wing nutjobs who want to make a case and know the whole truth generally doesn't paint the picture they want to portray.


    I will refrain from giving this much weight until I see the book and the sources/details.

    Once again, I simply defer to the Duelfer report.

    http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_...ap4.html#sect4

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    [QUOTE]
    1) I always worry when people start saying "look at this that the mainstream media is ignoring". The fact that the website is rabidly conservative doesn't give me much cause to think that journalistic integrity is high on their list.
    Most media outlets are partisan or viewed as such, who's to say what is subjective or objective reporting anymore?

    RG, if you had the mindset I'm sure you could develope strong talking points supporting Bush's Administration. Would that be a correct assumption?
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    [QUOTE]
    1)
    Normally one should avoid ad hominem attacks, but I really wonder where this guy got his information.
    Agreed.
    When you can counter his claims with facts of your own then do so but if you aren't able to refute his assertations then you shouldn't attempt to discredit him with a question you can't answer.

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    Contrary to ongoing reports by mainstream media outlets
    Take it up with those pinkos at Fox.

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    This remarkable CIA mea culpa, just declassified this summer and published here for the first time, describes the U.S. intelligence failure on Iraq's non-existent weapons of mass destruction as the consequence of "analytic liabilities" and predispositions that kept analysts from seeing the issue "through an Iraqi prism." The key findings presented in the first page-and-a-half (the only part most policymakers would read) are released almost in full, while the body of the do ent looks more like Swiss cheese from the many redactions of codewords, sources, and intelligence reports that remain classified even today, seven years after the Iraq Survey Group reported to the Director of Central Intelligence how wrong the prewar assessments had been. The key findings do not contain the most striking sentences; instead, these are tucked into the tail-end of the do ent. For example, on page 14, the assessment reports, "Given Iraq's extensive history of deception and only small changes in outward behavior, analysts did not spend adequate time examining the premise that the Iraqis had undergone a change in their behavior, and that what Iraq was saying by the end of 1995 was, for the most part, accurate." On page 16, going even further, the assessment says, "Analysts tended to focus on what was most important to us -- the hunt for WMD -- and less on what would be most important for a paranoid dictatorship to protect. Viewed through an Iraqi prism, their reputation, their security, their overall technological capabilities, and their status needed to be preserved. Deceptions were perpetrated and detected, but the reasons for those deceptions were misread."
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article..._culpa_on_iraq

    full report @ the link

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    but Yoni said, "having translated all the do ents", all the WMD were movd to Syria!



    dubya and head LIED the US into wasting 5000+ US military lives, but Yoni whines about Wasserman.

    dubya and head LIED the US into wasting $3T+ of US treasury ($100Bs ended up in MIC corporate/investor bank accounts) while opening Iraq to US/UK oilcos, but Repugs whine about, lie about the cool n!gg@'s out-of-control spending and the cool n!gg@'s 's deficit.

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    Yni defending an uncons utional, undeclared war, per par.... but Clinton did it too!

    The fact of the matter is, a whole lot of lives and money would have been saved by just issuing a letter of marque and reprisal in Afghanistan like Ron Paul suggested, tbh.... it would have been a LOT simpler than fighting two wars at the same time in the Middle East, including one based on lies dating back to the Clinton administration....

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    I'd laugh but the fact is idiots like Yoni are the reason there are a lot of dead people in the world today. But hey, at least there's a lot of people like Cheney's buds who made some good money off of this.

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    2002 NIE (partially) declassified:

    https://news.vice.com/article/the-ci...-iraq-invasion

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    Link seems broken.

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    works for me

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    Heckuva job, dubya and head!

    both are wealthily retired war criminals

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    They're still translating the do ents!

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    According to the newly declassified NIE, the intelligence community concluded that Iraq "probably has renovated a [vaccine] production plant" to manufacture biological weapons "but we are unable to determine whether [biological weapons] agent research has resumed." The NIE also said Hussein did not have "sufficient material" to manufacture any nuclear weapons and "the information we have on Iraqi nuclear personnel does not appear consistent with a coherent effort to recons ute a nuclear weapons program."

    But in an October 7, 2002 speech in Cincinnati, Ohio, then-President George W. Bush simply said Iraq, "possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons" and "the evidence indicates that Iraq is recons uting its nuclear weapons program."
    Seriously, so much for American exceptional-ism.. until we put Bush, Cheney and the rest of these war criminals in prison how are we better than what we are accusing Putin of doing in Crimea and Latvia?

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    Seriously, so much for American exceptional-ism.. until we put Bush, Cheney and the rest of these war criminals in prison how are we better than what we are accusing Putin of doing in Crimea and Latvia?

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    20 year anniversary of shock and awe.

    GWB lied, people died, $T's spent off books. We're no safer than before, and mass domestic surveillance is normal. The Iraq war was an epochal screwup and let's face it, an enormous crime.


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    George W. Bush misrepresented our work at CIA to sell the Iraq invasion. It's time to call him what he is: 'A liar.'

    Two former CIA officials spoke to Insider before the 20th anniversary of the US invasion of Iraq.

    They gave a firsthand account of the

    George W. Bush administration's attempts to misrepresent intelligence and

    assert a connection between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.

    In fact, the evidence assembled by the CIA suggested that no such connection existed.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/george-bush-liar-cia-mohammed-atta-prague-911-iraq-invasion-2023-3

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    Repugs sabotaged the Paris Peace talks to get Nixon elected

    Repugs sabotaged efforts to free the Iran Embassy hostages

    Repugs started the Afgan war and couldn't finish it

    Repugs stared the Iraw war and couldn't finisht it

    Repugs are going all out to defend criminal Trash

    Repugs have degraded into all-out fascists

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    If it's still needed now, it could last a good while longer.

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    We wrecked their for bull reasons. Iraq was better off under Saddam.

    But, for all this political turmoil, from the 1950s onwards, benefiting from increased oil revenues, Iraq experienced rapid economic, social and cultural development. By the end of the 1980s Iraq was widely seen in the Arab world as a relatively successful oil-fueled developmental state. As a US government report on Iraq put it in June 2003:

    In the 1980s, Iraq had one of the Arab world’s most advanced economies. Though buffeted by the strains of the Iran-Iraq war, it had – besides petroleum -- a considerable industrial sector, a relatively well-developed transport system, and comparatively good infrastructure. Iraq had a relatively large middle class, per capita income levels comparable to Venezuela, Trinidad or Korea, one of the best educational systems in the Arab world, a well educated population and generally good standards of medical care.

    In 1990 that upward-directed trajectory of development was broken. Iraq entered a period of violence and frustrated development that continues down to the present. In 2020 a World Bank report reached the following sobering conclusion:

    Although oil wealth has allowed Iraq to obtain upper-middle-income status, in many ways its ins utions and socioeconomic outcomes more closely resemble those of a low-income, fragile country. The Iraqi education system once ranked near the top of the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region, but it now sits near the bottom. Iraq’s rate of participation in the economy is also low, and the country has one of the lowest female labor force participation rates in the world, low levels of human and physical capital, and deteriorating business conditions. Iraq also has one of the highest poverty rates among upper-middle-income countries.
    https://adamtooze.substack.com/p/cha...onomic-impasse

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    about face, about time


    The Senate voted Wednesday to repeal authorizations for the use of military force against Iraq, a significant moment as lawmakers aim to reassert authority in military intervention abroad.


    The legislation now goes to the US House of Representatives for a vote. Speaker Kevin McCarthy has signaled support for it and said it would likely be brought to the floor. With bipartisan support for the repeal, the measure appears to have a good chance of passing the chambers, though it’s still unclear if lawmakers will try to amend it.
    The vote comes on the heels of the 20th anniversary of the US invasion of Iraq.


    The White House said it supports the measure to repeal the 1991 and 2002 authorizations for use of force in Iraq. If it passes both chambers, it would mark a formal conclusion to the conflicts and a symbolic reassertion of Congress’ ability to declare war.
    https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/polit...nate-vote-aumf

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    Bend over, I'll show you a WMD. ???

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