They're politicizing standards and showing their hand. Media rarely even makes a pretense about being objective any more.
Thing is, "radical wokeness" is so silly, you just have to laugh at it, bro. These people really aren't the threat you make them out to be.
Frankly, they hurt themselves with this stupid sh**. People stop taking them seriously.
This is a fair point, and it is a worry I have about the SJWs getting drunk with power and overplaying their hands. Just because they're nominally in favor of social justice doesn't mean that lot can't be infiltrated by sociopaths using the movement to obtain power.
How can I take them seriously when I basically laugh at them? Don't think all people who identify as liberals are in favor of radical "wokeness."
i dont agree with their decision because i dont think their point that "white people generally do not share the same history and culture, or the experience of being discriminated against because of skin color" isn't necessarily relevant, considering in the paragraph above they cite their long-standing decision to capitalize "distinct racial and ethnic identifiers." why say you capitalize distinct racial identifiers and then in the next paragraph talk about histories of discrimination? doesnt make much sense
wouldnt surprise me if the decision was revised after some time. either way, its a stupid and harmless decision at worst
I wouldn't capitalize white either. It's a color. I never understood this white race thing. The Italians don't like the French and neither like the Spanish. The Vikings would have killed all of them. They are all white
Until liberals infiltrate non-Western nations, this is the faith of Whites as a whole. Self-defeat
AP interviewed Africans, Asians, Arabs etc and they said " ya capitalize us".
Then they interviewed white liberals and were told "don't do it".
That is ultimately the recap of White people since WW2. Self-defeating in the name of so called equality only to find themselves weaker and soon to be under others thumb.
There's no such thing as "race" at the deep genetic level. It's obviously a cultural phenomenon that emerged since human beings are primarily a visual species, so we group identify through superficial phenotypical traits like skin color and facial features, but these traits are just that: superficial. Underneath it all, you might be more genetically similar to an East African than to a person of your supposed "race."
An example would say you're a lily white boy but have the slim ectomorphic build of an East African, a natural talent for long distance running, brown eyes, and under 6 feet, you might share more genetic traits with a random East African than a person of your own "race." Also think about how other animals perceive us. To a dog, our unique scent signature among us would be a much more dramatic difference than our different skin colors and features, so it might be that two people who look very different but smell similar (to a dog) might be more genetically similar.Though these physical differences may appear, on a superficial level, to be very dramatic, they are determined by only a minute portion of the genome: we as a species have been estimated to share 99.9% of our DNA with each other. The few differences that do exist reflect differences in environments and external factors, not core biology.
True. This shows how the AP is just a name though. Imagine if anyone in it went against this? They'd be ostracized.
It's all theater. I've told you before, what really drives power relations is wealth disparity. The lower classes, of any "race" will be perpetually under the thumb of the rich. "Wokeness" isn't going to relieve Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, the Waltons of their wealth any time soon. "Alt-right" isn't going to relieve Michael Jordan and Oprah of their wealth anytime soon.
And that's my core issues with "wokeness." I wish they would mobilize and attack "wealth privilege" rather than white privilege. Sure, they might equate wealth privilege with white privilege, since on average, white people are wealthier, but there's many very powerful and wealthy minorities. Lebron James goes to all the same parties as Jeff Bezos. Kanye pals it up with Elon Musk. They live in the same neighborhoods. Send their kids to the same elite schools. Then Lebron wears an I Can't Breathe T-shirt and tweets Martin Luther King Jr. quotes, and the woke crowd reflexively considers him an ally. Theater.
Who's to say Lebron or Bill Gates can't be an ally just because they're rich? Do you think they would oppose major tax reform that affects their income? Do you think their social causes are disingenuous?
Some of the woke culture is ridiculous, sure, but I don't think Lebron taking up the BLM cause is theatre at all. He does a ton for his community, he's not just doing performative activism on Twitter.
And the capitalization thing makes sense to me. "White" isn't a nationality, nor is it a culture that formed over time. On the other hand, you can certainly argue that Black people in America, whole they may come from different national backgrounds, have developed a culture of their own as a result of slavery and segregation.
Regardless, it's a pretty dumb thing to get upset about.
Their justification is global. That black-american has more in common with African than white-american with European. Which I would disagree considering every majority white nation on this planet is atleast Western.
My litmus test for rich people is how much money they're willing to part with for the cause. Yes, why aren't the left billionaire class campaigning for, say, a 1950-60s tax structure (when marginal rates were at their highest)? Reports have shown that billionaires made over 40 billion throughout the pandemic. Why haven't they parted with a good portion of some that toward small business relief? Why haven't they come together and formed some kind of coalition to rescue small businesses, since it's obvious the PPP loans are, ironically, going to billionaires. Lebron should roll into Ohio and just start giving money away to hard hit small business and out of work people. And none of this "million dollar donation" garbage. Lebron is worth 450 million. Will he miss 50 million reviving Ohio business and helping out out of work citizens?
I just want someone on "our" side with actual power to step up and do something. Tweets and t-shirts aren't enough.
irish werent even considered white until at least the mid 19th century, and english scientists literally tried arguing they had different shaped skulls to prove it, etc
Yea, it's a re ed argument on its face. AP shoots its own foot.
intersectionality is a thing. wealth/class is a huge aspect of civil inequalities but there's more to the pie when there are race/lgbt issues, for instance
it always, always sucks to be poor/low class. its a lot worse to be a poor black trans woman, though
imagine reacting to this. talk about snowflakes
More interjecting politics into our society. Read the full explanation and they even went full conspiracy systematic privilege yadda yadda. Any course in school involving citing will now cover how evil white people are.
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Do tell how offended you are coz they're going to write white in lowercase
Let it all out.
LOL wHITE PEOPLE
You were groomed to be submissive to blacks. You don't know any better but I can help fix you.Do tell how offended you are coz they're going to write white in lowercase
Let it all out.
I'm not submissive to anything. I give things their proper importance.
You're the one with the problem here, you need to start by fixing yourself, tbh.
Looks like the lowercase thing really took you for a spin. Go ahead, let it all out.
Honestly, I think his concerns are warranted and "wokeness" is worth having a debate about. Sure, the lowercase white situation is something kind of silly that isn't worth paying attention to, but I think FrostKing's concern is that this points to a larger social issue where the woke crowd, or at least the more fringe element, don't seem to want blind equality but to shift the balance of power to their side as they shame and humiliate "white" people for just being, well, white. I don't think this will serve to improve race relations at all and just wind up creating more white nationalists. Here's an example of how one of the "wokes" is trying to shift power:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51506733
Matt Taibbi, a bleeding heart lib, expressed his concerns in this excellent article. I agree with him. Here he outlines how a perfectly reasonable process to promote equal outcomes changed to a process that seeks to shift that balance of power:
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-left-is-now-the-rightWhat to make of the campaign to end blind auditions for musical positions, which the New York Philharmonic began holding in the early seventies in response to complaints of discrimination?
Before blind auditions, women made up less than 6 percent of orchestras; today they’re half of the New York Philharmonic. But because the change did not achieve similar results with Black and Hispanic musicians, the blind audition must now be “altered to take into fuller account artists’ backgrounds and experiences.” This completes a decades-long circle where the left/liberal project went from working feverishly to expunge racial stereotypes in an effort to level the playing field, to denouncing itself for ever having done so.
And it's absolutely patronizing to minorities. Sure, many minorities do start the race a few legs behind, but is this really a productive solution to promote "equality?" Especially when you can't really prove you started at a disadvantage anyway. What if the minority subject had the full devotion of his loving parents who scraped to buy him an instrument and paid for lessons, while the musician from the so-called "privileged" background had an asshole father who beat the out of him, who never supported his craft, never gave him money for instruments or lessons and so on. This kind of radical affirmative action will just wind up creating more white grievance and dangerous white nationalists. I don't want to see that happen.
Think of the outcry if the NBA started to consider the backgrounds and experiences of signing players as to promote a more balanced "racial diversity" in the league that was more inclusive of whites and Latinos. This is the kind of inconsistently that can piss people off and make people start to think Blacks are becoming a protected class at the expense of others, at least in sociocultural matters.
I'm completely fine with shifting the power balance into an equilibrium, but we have to call out attempted shifts that favor any group over another.
All due respect, but this is alarmist nonsense from Taibbi, where a few select decisions made based on social pressure and consenting parties are compared to the right's history of codified censorship. His first historical example is a city school board inserting religious theory into science textbooks. This is a legislative decision that would uncons utionally promote a religious view of creation on children in public schools.
It hardly compares to the supposed evil of an orchestra choosing on its own to respond to social pressures by revising its hiring practices to what basically amounts to affirmative action. (And really, why shouldn't the NY Philharmonic try to portray a more racially diverse group on their stage? Do you believe the musicianship will be negatively impacted as a result? Like with Affirmative Action, generally the choice is between people of similar skill levels. We're not talking about a white virtuoso being passed over for a black amateur here.)
He compares the right's history of legislating the bedroom to the left's Twitter outrage over a "Cancel Culture" letter. How are those two things remotely the same? This is a sign of someone who spends too much time on social media. (And speaking of that, it's not the leadership on the Left that has threatened to legislate how social media companies can enforce their community standards.)
The idea that the Left and Right have "swapped" when it comes to outrage is really hilarious given that the chosen leader of the Right has already gone back to the classic base-baiting rants about athletes "disrespecting the flag."
I'm really disappointed in Taibbi. He used to be an essential writer, then he became an obsessive Russiagate contrarian who probably got so exhausted by the backlash that now he's been reduced to a curmudgeon who complains about the NBA painting Black Lives Matter on the court and compares the significance of Twitter outrage and ill-advised pe ions at universities to the significance of the literal President of the United States.
As long as there is still a significant racial imbalance, there are going to people who over-swing. I have no love for cancel culture or purity tests, and I've said many times that I think the left's protest approach of provocation is counter productive. But suggesting we're anywhere close to a "shift" in the balance of power, when we're still very far from balance at all, strikes me as slippery slope paranoia.
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