HollyHills Development Purchases Historic Red Berry Mansion

[TheWriter]

The lake idea though is pushing it.

Not really, google San Antonio and look at the map, now look at the Willow Creek golf course. There's already a little "pond/lake" there. I would assume seeing from the renderings that the HollyHills lake would just be the expanded lake/pond at the golf course.

[CharlieMac]

Tourist come into town, and there is nothing to do downtown. Nothing. College kids ask me during Alamobowl, and I want to say that I've told thousands of people "No" when they ask if there is anything to do downtown aside from see the Alamo. Which no outside of families from Oklahoma lookin to spend little to no cash wants to see either way.

You've got to accept we still carry that small market label. Mid-sized city, yes, no doubt. But those are are two separate en ies.

It is massive and people will get displaced one way or another. Even on the eastside, it just doesn't make sense to think that no one will be bought out of their homes. I mean come on, a lake and a racetrack.

But yeah, it would be pushing it to think all of this could fit downtown. Some of it could I think, and that's something to keep in mind because I don't think everything in these early proposals will be built in the long run. Especially that lake. That area near the jail where all the bums hang out would be perfect.

I remember after 9/11 making absolutely nothing on the Riverwalk. There were nights when we made 10 bucks. We get so many conventions in this town and give those guys that are grateful to be away from their wives nothing o do downtown. I'm not gonna be the asshole to recommend Polyesther's to them either. Downtown and our tourist economy relies on families too much. These people here for conventions aren't going to make a trip to the eastside to watch an NFL team that's going to be as bad as the Texans for it's first few years. And locals aren't going to fork out money to make trips there every weekend. Look at Retama Park.

Like I said though, these early visuals look great.

[SequSpur]

Alot of entrepreneurs like to have big grand ideas and they love to get in the public and gloat about them and the moneys involved.

It's kind of like cold calling, for every 100 people you call, you may get one sucker to set up a meeting or something like that.

Same concept, come up with ideas and keep throwing them out there until one sticks.

I just left a company with owners like that.

[TheWriter]

Tourist come into town, and there is nothing to do downtown. Nothing.

There's nothing to do?

What a bunch of hyperbole.

Why does SA annunally get 21+ million visitors if there's nothing to do? Seriously, stop it.

College kids ask me during Alamobowl, and I want to say that I've told thousands of people "No" when they ask if there is anything to do downtown aside from see the Alamo.

Really... wow, how many times have you given bad advice?

Which no outside of families from Oklahoma lookin to spend little to no cash wants to see either way.

You've got to accept we still carry that small market label. Mid-sized city, yes, no doubt. But those are are two separate en ies.

No, mid-size market is also a label that could be used to describe San Antonio, but for the same reason you tell people there's nothing to do downtown is the same reason people continue to call San Antonio a small market. There's a bunch of clueless idiots in this world.

It is massive and people will get displaced one way or another. Even on the eastside, it just doesn't make sense to think that no one will be bought out of their homes. I mean come on, a lake and a racetrack.

Have you seen all the industrial land and green space around the SBC Center?

[TheWriter]

Alot of entrepreneurs like to have big grand ideas and they love to get in the public and gloat about them and the moneys involved.

Daniel Bailey is an entrepreneur?

It's kind of like cold calling, for every 100 people you call, you may get one sucker to set up a meeting or something like that.

The only sucker here is you.

Same concept, come up with ideas and keep throwing them out there until one sticks.

What ideas do they keep throwing out there?

I just left a company with owners like that.

The Carnival can be a tough business.

[SequSpur]

The infrastructure around the SBC center is terrible. No company is even considering moving there.

Freeman has been there forever, the sbc center is now there, and guess what, all of the work that was supposed to be done in that area by the county and city has been abandoned.

I doubt this ever works. I can see something like this taking off in another location like the Retama area for example.

[SequSpur]

Daniel Bailey is an entrepreneur?
The only sucker here is you.
What ideas do they keep throwing out there?
The Carnival can be a tough business.

Punk ass.

[TheWriter]

The infrastructure around the SBC center is terrible. No company is even considering moving there.

Do you think HollyHills is planning all this without thinking about improving the infrastucture?

Do you have to be so short minded?

Freeman has been there forever, the sbc center is now there, and guess what, all of the work that was supposed to be done in that area by the county and city has been abandoned.

What work?

I doubt this ever works. I can see something like this taking off in another location like the Retama area for example.

Really, why? They have no height limits?

[TheWriter]

Punk ass.

Shortie...

[Marcus Bryant]

Again, if some public en y floats a bond (backed by the taxing power of that en y) to construct a facility with the bond to be paid off with revenues from that facility is that "public" or "private" money?

[Marcus Bryant]

I heard Holly Hills is also going to improve San Antonio's schools and fluoridate its water. Can we have a real discussion about this proposal or are we left with falling in lockstep with the Puro San Antonio Gestapo?

[SequSpur]

It's public unless some dude writes a check for it.

This facility is never going to happen.

Why?

Because of the Alamodome, because Nascar or the IRL is not coming to San Antonio, Baseball will never come here and it doesn't look like the NFL masses are supporting this area either.

That's reality.

Houston will get a Nascar track before SA will. San Antonio isn't concerned with baseball, the missions play in the biggest city in the league but have probably the worst facility in all of double a baseball.

No fricking way.

Can these topics be merged?

[CharlieMac]

Alright dude, I'm not gonna bull , you're hard-on for this city is something you should look into. Let's agree to disagree. You can go downtown to take all the pictures you want and google as much as you want, but spend a few years working downtown, like I dont know......a decade and you'll see things a little differently.

These 21 million people aren't exact all doctors. A large portion of these tourist are people from places like Lawton looking to spend as little as possible, which is excatly why they pass up Dallas and Austin to come here. Even then, you have a hard time trying to get them to pay two bucks for a Coke instead of having a water with extra sugar and extra lemons.

The rest of these people are here for conventions and cheerleading compe ions. Neither of which really have a say so about coming here.

Really... wow, how many times have you given bad advice?

Say there's a convention in town. We're lucky enough to get a convention of 5000 with GI Specialist or dentists in town. It's Tuesday night, they're drinking it up, having a great time and spending major cash, but it's midnight and time to shut down. They ask you where they can go to drink thats fun but it has to be downtown? What do you tell them? What do you tell them when they ask what they can do downtown on a Wednesday afternoon? What do you say? "I don't know but in 15 years we're gonna have this great place on the eastside with plenty to do!"

I'm not giving these people bad advice, I'm just being honest in sending them somewhere. Places like Zincs isn't what these these guys re looking for. Neither is Leapin' Lizards or Bar America.

Situations like that are what really happen downtown. That's why I say give them more options. Even if it is during the day.

San Antonio isn't ever going to be Boston or Chicago. Dallas, maybe. You just gotta let reality set in.

[SequSpur]

Tell them to go the Bonham...

[CharlieMac]

Yeah, and let them know that we have a sweet piece of art work in front of McDonald's to check out on the way there.

[TheWriter]

because Nascar or the IRL is not coming to San Antonio

Really, what's that grand prix thing that have planned for 2007?

Baseball will never come here and it doesn't look like the NFL masses are supporting this area either.

Thanks for the info Cleo.

That's reality.

No, your lame ass opinion.

Houston will get a Nascar track before SA will.

Why? Because you said so?

San Antonio isn't concerned with baseball, the missions play in the biggest city in the league but have probably the worst facility in all of double a baseball.

The Missions? You when the AA team or is it AAA? Yeah, that's how much this city cares about minor league bullcrap farm leagues.

Tell me how the San Antonio ABA team is doing in attendance. The Stallions I believe is what they're called. I guess we ain't too concerned about basketball, huh?

[SequSpur]

San Antonio is the callcenter/customer service capital of the US. Second in the world to India.

I just don't see it bro. Nascar? How is this town going from SA Raceway to a Nascar Track when towns like Denver/Houston don't have one and would probably be a better choice? San Antonio is not a big nascar place. That's reality.

Its double A baseball, young one. you ever been to Round Rock or Corpus Christi? Their baseball stadiums are nicer than the SBC center.

Seriously, why do you think this stuff will happen? And who is going to support it?

Do you know how much a ticket to a nascar event is? Do you think this town can support a 2pm baseball game on a weekday? no one goes to the missions.

[TheWriter]

Alright dude, I'm not gonna bull , you're hard-on for this city is something you should look into.

My hard on?

You can go downtown to take all the pictures you want and google as much as you want, but spend a few years working downtown, like I dont know......a decade and you'll see things a little differently.

How about have friends who have lived in the downtown area for lets say... 7 years.

I think that works just as well, don't you?

Even then, you have a hard time trying to get them to pay two bucks for a Coke instead of having a water with extra sugar and extra lemons.

Working at Mickey D's for 10 years must suck.

Neither of which really have a say so about coming here.

Convention organizer don't have a say about where they want to go for a convention?

And I doubt that throughout a year that the city gets 2 million convention goers. Although I'd like to see the numbers. What about the other 20 mil?






Situations like that are what really happen downtown. That's why I say give them more options. Even if it is during the day.

San Antonio isn't ever going to be Boston or Chicago. Dallas, maybe. You just gotta let reality set in.

Reality is, I've never expected that, never said that, and don't believe that.

[TheWriter]

San Antonio is not a big nascar place. That's reality.

And Houston is?

Its double A baseball, young one. you ever been to Round Rock or Corpus Christi?

Repeat those cities in your head and then think about it for a slight moment.

Seriously, why do you think this stuff will happen? And who is going to support it?

Why? Because a developer has the balls to try it. Who is going to support it? The people who move into the condos and apartments. The San Antonian's that go out and cheer on their NFL and MLB team (hopefully).

Do you know how much a ticket to a nascar event is?

Do you know that its more popular than basketball? Yes, there's that many white trash and morons out there willing to pay and watch cars go in a circle. Many who travel from miles and miles away.

Do you think this town can support a 2pm baseball game on a weekday?

Maybe, maybe not, but if you ever watch the MLB during the season, most MLB cities don't go to games either.

no one goes to the missions.

Because they're a MINOR LEAGUE team! Let Lardeo or El Paso have the damn Missons.

[SequSpur]

A nascar event would probably sell out, you are correct, but the rest of the year it would be a ghost town.

As for baseball, I agree, the missions could move for all i care, they are only good for a free night of sweating your ass off watching the worst baseball ever.

I was very high on the Saints moving here, but Tagliabue quickly let the wind out of the sail. I just don't see it happening bro.

I know one thing, New Orleans doesn't even have schools for kids anymore, that place is hosed and football is the last thing they should be worrying about.

[Marcus Bryant]

Houston fits the Nascar profile rather well.

[AlamoSpursFan]

It doesn't matter if SA fits whatever this "NASCAR profile" is or not.

They could put a NASCAR race in Nowhereville, Montana, and it will draw 200,000 people.

[TheWriter]

Houston fits the Nascar profile rather well.

It does... explain, please.

[TheWriter]

It doesn't matter if SA fits whatever this "NASCAR profile" is or not.

They could put a NASCAR race in Nowhereville, Montana, and it will draw 200,000 people.

Exactly.

[CharlieMac]

How about have friends who have lived in the downtown area for lets say... 7 years.

I think that works just as well, don't you?

Oh absolutely. As a matter of fact, when Sunset Station was built, I asked my friends who lived at the Maverick Apartments and Soapworks what they thought about it.

Working at Mickey D's for 10 years must suck.

I wouldn't know. But I'm sure it couldn't suck any more than a grown man living at home still.

Convention organizer don't have a say about where they want to go for a convention?

See, up until this point, I actually thought you knew what you were talking about when it came to the tourist industry. There are convention organizers, and there are convention attendants. Guess what organizers are looking for when they book a city?

I doubt the city gets 2 million a year too, and thats a shame. But people coming to San Antonio to see the Alamo and go to Fiesta Texas while staying at the Motel 6 on IH 35 dont exactly pay the bills here. It's convention people that pay 16 bucks for a magarita that whip out Amex cards that say Procter and Gamble or some underneath their name that do.