COMMENTARY: What We REALLY Learned from Katrina

[kris]

I still don't see it as racist at all, perhaps overly simplistic, though. I still think he ripped the idea off from O'Reilly ... whose point was "don't be poor -- so you don't have to depend so much on a government that will most likely fail you." Whether that was his intent or not, I don't know...but his points were too similar to what O'Reilly was saying.

This is one of the articles that is not facially discriminatory, but when one actually applies the principles it becomes adverse towards a particular group. The author came out and said it wasn't about one skin color. However, it was specifically geared toward Katrina victims, who for the most part happened to be black. It also goes on to say, "And of those handful who do manage to make real money in the drug trade, most don’t succeed using the ‘skills’ they grunt about on rap videos." This doesn't specifically come out and say black people, but what racial group is associated with being rappers? (Furthermore, I can not substantiate the fact, but seeing as how the author is so oblivious to how life is for the people he describes, I think he gets things like not having a baby before 21 or married from rap songs/videos.) Thus, while the author does not out and out say poor black people should do these things and they won't live in poverty, his implications make him adversely discriminatory because they are targeted at one race. (It's kind of like when someone goes so hypothetically say Jimmy asked Sally out and Sally said no, but Jimmy thinks she might just be saying that because she thinks he is still with his girlfriend. What should Jimmy do? We all know who Jimmy is don't we?)

I think the author saw repeated clips on the news and was thinking these black people are so damn dumb. If they weren't so poor, they could have made it out, but they're to busy being drug dealers, having babies, and rappers. No doubt, I'm sure his principles would be beneficial, but there are a lot of factors that common sense will tell you that he doesn't have. It's very idealistic for a single, 32 year old white writer that makes $28,000 a year to think, "that would never happen to me, if I was 16 I would go in there, get a job, finish school, and be a success."

What about other factors that will make the inner city what the inner city is? It's a whole lot harder than the writer thinks. A relatively high porportion successes are athletes, rappers, or drug dealers (financially). That's because it's hard for a born and raised project (black) kid to assimilate into middle (white) America. Maybe if there wasn't so many stupid ass people like Jim Farynsworth, it would be a little easier.

[jochhejaam]

[QUOTE=ChumpDumper]

Those guys tell the poor to drop out of school?

I'd like to see a quote or two.

Hey CD. I didn't say they tell them to drop out (libelous ), I said they should be trumpeting the message of "how to stay out of poverty" Provide me the info that refutes what I actually said, okay?



The most recent quote from Jesse that stands out in my mind is "we don't want welfare, we want our share." Then there's his bid to get $40,000 for each African American for reparations, and of course who can forget the fine example he set by getting his mistress pregnant...what message was thundered home by that?
Jesse's out for Jesse more so than the well being of those in poverty.

[SA210]

This is one of the articles that is not facially discriminatory, but when one actually applies the principles it becomes adverse towards a particular group. The author came out and said it wasn't about one skin color. However, it was specifically geared toward Katrina victims, who for the most part happened to be black. It also goes on to say, "And of those handful who do manage to make real money in the drug trade, most don’t succeed using the ‘skills’ they grunt about on rap videos." This doesn't specifically come out and say black people, but what racial group is associated with being rappers? (Furthermore, I can not substantiate the fact, but seeing as how the author is so oblivious to how life is for the people he describes, I think he gets things like not having a baby before 21 or married from rap songs/videos.) Thus, while the author does not out and out say poor black people should do these things and they won't live in poverty, his implications make him adversely discriminatory because they are targeted at one race. (It's kind of like when someone goes so hypothetically say Jimmy asked Sally out and Sally said no, but Jimmy thinks she might just be saying that because she thinks he is still with his girlfriend. What should Jimmy do? We all know who Jimmy is don't we?)

I think the author saw repeated clips on the news and was thinking these black people are so damn dumb. If they weren't so poor, they could have made it out, but they're to busy being drug dealers, having babies, and rappers. No doubt, I'm sure his principles would be beneficial, but there are a lot of factors that common sense will tell you that he doesn't have. It's very idealistic for a single, 32 year old white writer that makes $28,000 a year to think, "that would never happen to me, if I was 16 I would go in there, get a job, finish school, and be a success."

What about other factors that will make the inner city what the inner city is? It's a whole lot harder than the writer thinks. A relatively high porportion successes are athletes, rappers, or drug dealers (financially). That's because it's hard for a born and raised project (black) kid to assimilate into middle (white) America. Maybe if there wasn't so many stupid ass people like Jim Farynsworth, it would be a little easier.

The best post by far I've read in this forum. One of those posts that speaks truth and is usually ignored because of it.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey CD. I didn't say they tell them to drop out (libelous ), I said they should be trumpeting the message of "how to stay out of poverty" Provide me the info that refutes what I actually said, okay?

Prove to me they haven't said these things in all their speeches the past 30 years. I'm sure you have all of them in your archives since you know everything they've ever done.

[jochhejaam]

Hey CD. I didn't say they tell them to drop out (libelous ), I said they should be trumpeting the message of "how to stay out of poverty" Provide me the info that refutes what I actually said, okay?

Prove to me they haven't said these things in all their speeches the past 30 years. I'm sure you have all of them in your archives since you know everything they've ever done.

That's about what I thought you had, nothing.

[ChumpDumper]

Same as you. Completely assinine to believe someone who includes educational funding in nearly every speech he makes thinks it isn't important to stay in school.

[jochhejaam]

Prove to me they haven't said these things in all their speeches the past 30 years. I'm sure you have all of them in your archives since you know everything they've ever done.

If they have where are the results? Specifics would be great!

[jochhejaam]

Same as you. Completely assinine to believe someone who includes educational funding in nearly every speech he makes thinks it isn't important to stay in school.

Yeah, throwing more money at it, that's the answer. NOT!

[ChumpDumper]

If they have where are the results? Specifics would be great!

Gee, what are the specific results of any speech given anywhere at any time?

Tell me how that works in your fantasy land.

What are the specific results of the original article?

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, throwing more money at it, that's the answer. NOT!

Taking money away is really doing wonders. NOT!

Besides, we just keep throwing money at Iraq -- is that working or not?

[jochhejaam]

Taking money away is really doing wonders. NOT!

Besides, we just keep throwing money at Iraq -- is that working or not?

I think you may want to edit that because you just made my point for me...throwing more money at a problem in and of itself is not the answer.

Make up your mind!

[ChumpDumper]

Answer the question.

[jochhejaam]

I rest my (our) case, thanks for the assist.

[ChumpDumper]

If you're afraid to answer, just say so.

[SA210]

Taking money away is really doing wonders. NOT!

Besides, we just keep throwing money at Iraq -- is that working or not?

Exactly. It's good for one but not the other.

[jochhejaam]

Same as you. Completely assinine to believe someone who includes educational funding in nearly every speech he makes thinks it isn't important to stay in school.

If you would pay more attention to the detail in my post you wouldn't have read into that he doesn't think it's important to stay in school" oh spinmaster. , the clear point I made was that they should be sounding off incessantly about the virtues mentioned in the first post in this thread.
Unless you live in a broom closet you shouldn't have to ask for do entation about what Jesse's real agenda is which is 'one for all and all for Jesse".

If you don't really know about the real Jesse and your're interested in the specifics I suggest you read Kenneth Timmerman's recently released book, "Shakedown: The Life & Lies of the Reverend Jesse Jackson".

Summary of some of the contents;

* How Jackson personally profited from "non-profit" groups whose funds were intended to help poor minorities and civil rights

* How Jackson used his "public service" image to live the lifestyle of Donald Trump: jets, top class hotels, million dollar homes - the best of everything - you name it!

* How Jackson earned the name "Action Jackson" because of his voracious appe e for women

* How Jackson used his complaints of racism against major corporations as a method of out-and-out extortion and blackmail in order to reap millions for himself and his organizations

* The special relationship Jackson formed with Bill Clinton during the Monica affair and how Jackson got millions in taxpayer funds for being a Democratic Party mouthpiece

"Shakedown" will knock your socks off! There are so many more shocking revelations we have to tell you about Jackson -- but in keeping with good taste, we won't print them here. In fact, you'll find out that almost everything you knew about Jackson is a lie:

* Jackson was NOT anointed by Martin Luther King to be his heir.

* Jackson was NEVER even an ordained a minister.

* Jackson was NEVER poor or victimized by racism, as he has alleged. But it gets worse. "Shakedown" reveals that Jackson acts more like a mobster than a civil rights leader.

"Shakedown" reports on Jackson's ties to the Chicago mob and his "ruthless" methods:

"Beatings, death threats, career destruction and verbal assaults that border on incitement to murder are all staples of the Jackson Treatment."



Of course you're right CD, he's all about helping those in poverty...

[ChumpDumper]

Still not answering the question.

Advertisements are not answers.

I could post an ad for an unflattering book on Bush, so what?

Thanks for telling me the content of every JJ and Sharpton speech in the past thirty years. You really showed how they never talk about staying in school or out of jail. Why bring up if you aren't going to back it up?

[ChumpDumper]

So, in conclusion:

Jackson hates the poor and wants them to ditch school.

And someone wrote a book.

[gtownspur]

This is one of the articles that is not facially discriminatory, but when one actually applies the principles it becomes adverse towards a particular group. The author came out and said it wasn't about one skin color. However, it was specifically geared toward Katrina victims, who for the most part happened to be black. It also goes on to say, "And of those handful who do manage to make real money in the drug trade, most don’t succeed using the ‘skills’ they grunt about on rap videos." This doesn't specifically come out and say black people, but what racial group is associated with being rappers? (Furthermore, I can not substantiate the fact, but seeing as how the author is so oblivious to how life is for the people he describes, I think he gets things like not having a baby before 21 or married from rap songs/videos.) Thus, while the author does not out and out say poor black people should do these things and they won't live in poverty, his implications make him adversely discriminatory because they are targeted at one race. (It's kind of like when someone goes so hypothetically say Jimmy asked Sally out and Sally said no, but Jimmy thinks she might just be saying that because she thinks he is still with his girlfriend. What should Jimmy do? We all know who Jimmy is don't we?)

I think the author saw repeated clips on the news and was thinking these black people are so damn dumb. If they weren't so poor, they could have made it out, but they're to busy being drug dealers, having babies, and rappers. No doubt, I'm sure his principles would be beneficial, but there are a lot of factors that common sense will tell you that he doesn't have. It's very idealistic for a single, 32 year old white writer that makes $28,000 a year to think, "that would never happen to me, if I was 16 I would go in there, get a job, finish school, and be a success."

What about other factors that will make the inner city what the inner city is? It's a whole lot harder than the writer thinks. A relatively high porportion successes are athletes, rappers, or drug dealers (financially). That's because it's hard for a born and raised project (black) kid to assimilate into middle (white) America. Maybe if there wasn't so many stupid ass people like Jim Farynsworth, it would be a little easier.

So i guess no one can talk about Katrina victims in a critical manner, because they are all black. Is that what your saying? I might be reading you wrong. Heck Bill Cosby can't even level an honest critique to his own. How much do we have to victimize blacks? American Indians have been through worst than blacks in this country, and i'm pretty sure they're not out there worrying about any criticisms they get from their own because of their disparity.

And let me tell you something. It's not Jim Farynsworth that is making it harder for african american youngster to survive in middle america. It's the lack of a stable household with a father. You can call me a racist if you want, but you will have to do the same to all the prominent black politicans and social scientist who agree with my conclusion.

I mean a young black man graduates High school and commits to 35 hrs at whataburger for 900 dollars a month pay. most of the inner city black kids at 18 are living off the property of a good black mother absent a father who could provide extra income to help for in expenses or guidance. So after working dead end jobs and seeing how one can work as hard as one can and still have his efforts be overlooked by management,(Who also happened to be BLack) one would then have their self esteem blown to bits about their future. And when it comes to finding love from the opposite sex one is limited because of their lack of income. SO any relationship the man will enter will always have issues with his self esteem and lack of providing for a woman. THe man is then frustrated early on and learns from experience never to trust any female but his own mother. He sleeps around with as many women as he can, and in the process sprouts his seed around the city.(Statistics have verified that the african american community has a high percentage of children born out of wedlock and fatherless). When the young man finally settles down with a woman, he has'nt really learned alot of financial responsiblity or has saved any money. His white counterpart (or black, who had a father) could of saved money more than his black peer since likely his parents would of covered his expenses while he was under their roof, leaving any money he earned eligible to put in a checking and savings account. Having a father and a better support system could of been all that the young black man needed to establish good credit and have a respectable savings account. But that's not the case.

The black man sees that there is nothing to save for since he doesn't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Now before many of you jump on me with generalizations about my percieved generalizations, there are exceptions to any rule, and having a father or a strong support system is not a sure guarantee for succeding since alot of that is based on the individual. Also there have been many young black men who have overcome the hardest obstacles that could be thrown at anybody and are now CEO's, executives, and Doctors. That being said, not everyone is strong minded in any racial category to overcome the hardest obstacles. And not having a father in the house and a decent income, is a large reason why many young black males struggle in many situations that involve perserverance in life.

[SA210]

[gtownspur]

What's wrong with saying that having fatherless children is a big factor in poverty since 99.9% of sociologist would agree.

NM, You'll probably read what i posted as.." What's wrong with saying that blacks have no fathers and deserve to be poor, those poor des ute bas s!"

Don't waste your effort.

I'll give you a one liner that you always use to try to refute me.

"Why are you so full of hate. I'm glad I'm a volunteer unlike you you s bag. I just wish you'd see the light on how i'm so compassionate and loving."

All you have to do now is cut and paste and post a rolleyes icon.

THere! Now you can say that I'm not such a bad guy after all.

You can thank me for the 30 minutes i'll save your brain to crank gears and post an incoherent post.

[SA210]

^^^ Why are you so angry?

[jochhejaam]

Thanks for telling me the content of every JJ and Sharpton speech in the past thirty years. You really showed how they never talk about staying in school or out of jail. Why bring up if you aren't going to back it up?

That's an absurd request and since I never alledged that they had "never" talked about staying in school why should I provide do entation that they did? Answer: No need to and therefore no need to back it up. o?!

How about you providing where I said they "never" talk about these things?
Should be easy for you to do that since my posts were within the last 24 hours and not over the last 30 years.

[gtownspur]

^^^ Why are you so angry?

Whose angry. I'm having a blasts pointing out your weak takes.

[Kori Ellis]

I just want to comment on this first point made in the article:

1) Attend High School, Pay Attention, and Graduate. You notice, they didn’t say you have to do well in high school, just don't drop out. They didn’t say you have to attend Harvard, or even attend college at all. They didn’t say you have to make the honor roll, be on the football team, or in the band. Just be furniture. Show up and graduate.

This is the most stupid point to make if you are trying to give someone a lesson on how to not "end up poor".

This author is saying that you should just go to school and skate through .. "Just be furniture".

Never in my life have I ever been asked to show my HS Diploma in the job market. Not when I was 18 years old, or anytime in the 20 years since. Sure, it says on a job application "Do you have a HS Diploma or a GED?" and everyone just marks "yes" and that's the end of the story.

But if you are trying to stress to someone that education is important in order to get a job, telling them to just coast through high school and just get a diploma isn't good advice.

The author of the article should have said either:

1. Concentrate on your high school studies and do well, so that you can get into college.

or

2. Learn a trade while in high school or shortly thereafter.

Because in reality, just getting a high school diploma doesn't make you any closer to getting a job (avoiding being poor) than if you just dropped out of high school in 10th grade.