Should Spurs make a run at Scoot?

[rankingtear]

Black is not really wired to score, his full games reminds me of Derrick, no shot creation in the middle of the floor, set shot 3 does not really have the most confidence in it. Uses angles rather than creativity at the rim. Does not really have a way to crack 15 points a game. Personality is same as him too, the nicest guy on the team. I don't see the value on this roster.

[Dejounte]

Black is not really wired to score, his full games reminds me of Derrick, no shot creation in the middle of the floor, set shot 3 does not really have the most confidence in it. Uses angles rather than creativity at the rim. Does not really have a way to crack 15 points a game. Personality is same as him too, the nicest guy on the team. I don't see the value on this roster.

Exactly this. Recall many games during the college season where he would take a backseat to other players and was excessively passive in his will to score. It’s White redux. We need a scorer at the PG position so that the offense can be dictated by the point guard’s pace and unpredictability to pass or score. If they’re always expecting the point guard to be passive, everyone’s going to double/triple team Wemby and wear him the out.

[Mr. Body]

Black is not really wired to score, his full games reminds me of Derrick, no shot creation in the middle of the floor, set shot 3 does not really have the most confidence in it. Uses angles rather than creativity at the rim. Does not really have a way to crack 15 points a game. Personality is same as him too, the nicest guy on the team. I don't see the value on this roster.

He was interviewed during the first combine day of scrimmage. He comes off as a goofy nineteen year old not totally used to the attention, btw, very different than Victor. Black said "I want to make my teammates better." That's where he's at. This is the player you get with him. He's there to set everyone up and move the ball around. He'll score, but that's not his first value.

Among other things about Scoot, I don't think he'd survive next to Wembanyama. He seems like he wants to be the guy. With Wemby, he's not going to be the guy. He's not going to be the star.

[RC_Drunkford]

That you seem confident that the Spurs are a playoff bound team this year is exactly why making a move for a top draft pick may be so important. They won't get another chance at one themselves next year. Yes, they shouldn't trade Keldon just to trade him. But if they thought they had a chance to draft one of the top players in the draft in the 5-15 range, then finding a way to still get that player makes sense. Just as there aren't Wembies or Lebrons in every draft, there aren't Kawhis, Georges or Haliburtons in the middle of the first every year. My point is that if the Spurs thought they might have seen one of those, they should be aggressive in getting them. That's not specifically what this thread is pushing, but that's what I think a few other posters are talking about in this thread.

absolutely agree with this part

[RC_Drunkford]

Exactly this. Recall many games during the college season where he would take a backseat to other players and was excessively passive in his will to score. It’s White redux. We need a scorer at the PG position so that the offense can be dictated by the point guard’s pace and unpredictability to pass or score. If they’re always expecting the point guard to be passive, everyone’s going to double/triple team Wemby and wear him the out.

team actually needs a Tony Parker type I think. A PG with elite speed. Although he should have a 3-point shot and it wouldn't hurt if he could defend.

[Dejounte]

He was interviewed during the first combine day of scrimmage. He comes off as a goofy nineteen year old not totally used to the attention, btw, very different than Victor. Black said "I want to make my teammates better." That's where he's at. This is the player you get with him. He's there to set everyone up and move the ball around. He'll score, but that's not his first value.

Among other things about Scoot, I don't think he'd survive next to Wembanyama. He seems like he wants to be the guy. With Wemby, he's not going to be the guy. He's not going to be the star.

I don’t really get this argument. Tony wanted to be the guy his whole career with Timmy as his teammate. This isn’t even a defense of just Scoot, but for any current and future player we bring in. There is nothing wrong with having multiple alphas/ leaders on one team. Pippen played like he did because he believed in himself and not because he played “in support” of Jordan. A lot of players with high ceilings reach their ceiling because they have an at ude that they can be the “it” guy. And we need players like that who can tap into their potential, and it starts with having a certain type of mentality.

[Dejounte]

team actually needs a Tony Parker type I think. A PG with elite speed. Although he should have a 3-point shot and it wouldn't hurt if he could defend.

Just thinking outside skillset, I think we need a “head of the snake” type guy. Someone who will control the game at certain points.

[RC_Drunkford]

Just thinking outside skillset, I think we need a “head of the snake” type guy. Someone who will control the game at certain points.

that's what I meant when I said TP. You need somebody who can form a deadly pick & roll with Wembanyama and I think elite speed is really important here.

I know spacing is quite different nowadays, but if we had somebody who the defense has to chase like they did Tony back in the day, that would open up a load of scoring opportunities, especially with Wemby on the team

[Mr. Body]

I don’t really get this argument. Tony wanted to be the guy his whole career with Timmy as his teammate. This isn’t even a defense of just Scoot, but for any current and future player we bring in. There is nothing wrong with having multiple alphas/ leaders on one team. Pippen played like he did because he believed in himself and not because he played “in support” of Jordan. A lot of players with high ceilings reach their ceiling because they have an at ude that they can be the “it” guy. And we need players like that who can tap into their potential, and it starts with having a certain type of mentality.

I don't think Tony had any overlap in personality with Scoot whatsoever. Regardless, he was coming into a team that had mutiple veteran personalities, a clear alpha, and the team used like the #29 pick to get him.

Scoot is still saying he thinks he's better than Wembanyama and deserves to go #1. The team is young and has a developing leadership core. Scoot would require a ton of assets to get and would require the #2 or #3 to get.

First, Tony was a confident dude. Being confident and wanting to be the face of a franchise and refusing to not be the face of a franchise are completely different things. Scoot looks like he's very much wanting to be the guy. He's already jealous of Wembanyama! Even if he's okay being second banana, and I don't think he is, spending that much capital for the chance he's even-keeled doesn't make sense. Parker also earned his minutes. I don't even think Scoot wants to earn his minutes: he'll expect them.

[Ignazzz]

Billups type PG.

[rascal]

We don’t need a ball dominant, high usage point guard. I think the formula we want is what the Bucks are doing. I don’t think Wemby will be quite the facilitator Giannis is, at least not now. But they don’t have a pg who pounds the air out of the ball. Black, like Holiday, projects to be a very good defender who can switch and guard 2s and some 3s in a pinch. He’s also a good passer, high iq player on offense. Blacks 3pt efficiency is his blemish but his form is fine and he should get better with time.

if we didn’t have wemby, black wouldn’t be as good a fit because he’s not some electric shot generator/penetrator. But he’s definitely good enough to run an offense that has a built in scorer

Jalen Hood-Shifino is a better shooter than Black at the mid range. Much better at the mid range shots and he's also a great passer and a solid defender.

[rascal]

I don't think Tony had any overlap in personality with Scoot whatsoever. Regardless, he was coming into a team that had mutiple veteran personalities, a clear alpha, and the team used like the #29 pick to get him.

Scoot is still saying he thinks he's better than Wembanyama and deserves to go #1. The team is young and has a developing leadership core. Scoot would require a ton of assets to get and would require the #2 or #3 to get.

First, Tony was a confident dude. Being confident and wanting to be the face of a franchise and refusing to not be the face of a franchise are completely different things. Scoot looks like he's very much wanting to be the guy. He's already jealous of Wembanyama! Even if he's okay being second banana, and I don't think he is, spending that much capital for the chance he's even-keeled doesn't make sense. Parker also earned his minutes. I don't even think Scoot wants to earn his minutes: he'll expect them.

Now you're speculating he's being jealous. come on now. I know you don't like Scoot but don't make stuff up.

[JPB]

He was interviewed during the first combine day of scrimmage. He comes off as a goofy nineteen year old not totally used to the attention, btw, very different than Victor. Black said "I want to make my teammates better." That's where he's at. This is the player you get with him. He's there to set everyone up and move the ball around. He'll score, but that's not his first value.

Among other things about Scoot, I don't think he'd survive next to Wembanyama. He seems like he wants to be the guy. With Wemby, he's not going to be the guy. He's not going to be the star.

Oh yeah, I watched again yesterday their first Las Vegas game (Mets92 vs Ignite) and the first shot Scoot hits, he's yelling, roaring, screaming, agitated and looking at Wemby like "I'm gonna show you who's the #1 pick, dude", which he did the whole first half, overexisted and kind of freaky actually... That fits with his declarations on how he thinks he's the #1 and he's bascially the universal ... Lacks poise, calm and humility, I see some Westbrook here.

[Mr. Body]

Now you're speculating he's being jealous. come on now. I know you don't like Scoot but don't make stuff up.

Bruh, he's already said he feels he deserves to go number 1. Guy has that little dude energy. We need guys who understand where they stand on the team.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Jalen Hood-Shifino is a better shooter than Black at the mid range. Much better at the mid range shots and he's also a great passer and a solid defender.

is he your nephew or what?

[Mr. Body]

Oh yeah, I watched again yesterday their frist Las Vegas game (Mets92 vs Ignite) and the first shot Scoot hits, he's yelling, roaring, screaming, agitated and looking at Wemby like "I'm gonna show you who's the #1 pick, dude", which he did the whole first half, overexisted and kind of freaky actually... That fits with his declarations on how he thinks he's the #1 and he's bascially the universal ... Lacks poise, calm and humility, I see some Westbrook here.

I mean, I'm totally okay with that. It's great to see a super-compe ive player and someone who goes after the supposed first pick. That's awesome.

But I don't think you need to pair a guy with huge ambitions on a team when those ambitions won't be met. We don't want a guy to be grousing about touches or that he deserves anything. That's not going to work.

[JPB]

I mean, I'm totally okay with that. It's great to see a super-compe ive player and someone who goes after the supposed first pick. That's awesome.

But I don't think you need to pair a guy with huge ambitions on a team when those ambitions won't be met. We don't want a guy to be grousing about touches or that he deserves anything. That's not going to work.

We agree about the compe iveness but watch the game and you'll see it's a bit weird and strange actually. You can see some anger or hate even in his behaviour. He's really yelling, shouting aggressively out of the blue the first minute of the game. I like the Westbrook comparison in the way he's that type of self centered guys with the proverbial "ship on their shoulder" and a destiny or something, making everything about them. Anyway, I don't want him and I don't believe Wemby would get along with him.

[scott]

I'm getting mroe and more on team Move Up For Black, *if* it is believed Black can develop a reliable 3-point shot. I keep thinking that Derrick White would have been a perfect veteran leader for the Wemby Spurs, but we all know that Derrick's weakness was the unreliability of his 3 (at least year we traded him). Derrick did manage to get it up to 38% in Boston this year, so maybe it was just a matter of the team makeup in 2020-21.

Are there any indications the Spurs are even interested in Black? Seems like they've telegraphed an interest in Amen, but did they even interview Black at the combine?

[BacktoBasics]

I'm getting mroe and more on team Move Up For Black, *if* it is believed Black can develop a reliable 3-point shot. I keep thinking that Derrick White would have been a perfect veteran leader for the Wemby Spurs, but we all know that Derrick's weakness was the unreliability of his 3 (at least year we traded him). Derrick did manage to get it up to 38% in Boston this year, so maybe it was just a matter of the team makeup in 2020-21.

Are there any indications the Spurs are even interested in Black? Seems like they've telegraphed an interest in Amen, but did they even interview Black at the combine?

There were reports of them visiting with Black. But outside of that the talk around the spurs being interested in Black was purely wishful ST thinking.

[baseline bum]

I don't remember a time that he couldn't shoot. Kawhi became a great shooter as a pro, but he was a good shooter in college. ESPN did a thing on his shooting consistency when he was a rookie.

Now I do remember that he couldn't dribble when he was a rookie and he was running point within a couple of years.

He was 25% from the college three point line and had a broken jump shot where he pulled the ball backwards over his head when he was drafted.

[baseline bum]

Yeah I know his stats. Inconsistency and range were the concerns. I don't remember anyone saying he couldn't shoot. He didn't track as an elite athlete, he was a prototype small forward with big hands and elite rebounding.

He even talks about it to Draftexpress about how his reputation that he can't shoot. And his form was terrible.



No one who could shoot shot 25% on college threes. College three is so much easier a shot than the NBA three.

[JPB]

I'm getting mroe and more on team Move Up For Black, *if* it is believed Black can develop a reliable 3-point shot. I keep thinking that Derrick White would have been a perfect veteran leader for the Wemby Spurs, but we all know that Derrick's weakness was the unreliability of his 3 (at least year we traded him). Derrick did manage to get it up to 38% in Boston this year, so maybe it was just a matter of the team makeup in 2020-21.

Are there any indications the Spurs are even interested in Black? Seems like they've telegraphed an interest in Amen, but did they even interview Black at the combine?

Forget about indications with the spurs regarding the draft. It's always been about smoke screens, bluff and lures. You're never sure who they really want.

[Mr. Body]

I'm getting mroe and more on team Move Up For Black, *if* it is believed Black can develop a reliable 3-point shot. I keep thinking that Derrick White would have been a perfect veteran leader for the Wemby Spurs, but we all know that Derrick's weakness was the unreliability of his 3 (at least year we traded him). Derrick did manage to get it up to 38% in Boston this year, so maybe it was just a matter of the team makeup in 2020-21.

Are there any indications the Spurs are even interested in Black? Seems like they've telegraphed an interest in Amen, but did they even interview Black at the combine?

I would draft Wembanyama at #1 for defense alone. I would also draft Black in the top 10 for defense alone. He's a rare defensive prospect given his size and doggishness. Given that both players add potentially superb offensive skills, to me at least those are great packages.

But like others say, the Spurs are impossible to read. Like, literally impossible. Even their feints and bits of deception are impressive, because it's never clear they are actually feints. (Like the floated idea that they wanted Mark Williams last year.)

I'm beginning to wonder if they're actually after Jarace Walker, who could be really good alongside Victor -- although the overlap with Sochan is extreme. I also wonder if they're after shooting and trying to get in place for Gradey.

[rascal]

I said he’s a better passer, shooter, and defender right now, which are all true. I didn’t say he’s a better all-around player.

He's not a better passer or shooter. Scoot had nearly double the assit numbers and they have similar shooting %'s. Scoot is a much better overall offensive player while Black is better defensively.

[Arcadian]

I don't even know what to think about Henderson. So he went from HS to G-league for a year? I've never even heard of anyone doing that before. Is that better or worse than playing a year of college?