unpopular opinion on Trae Young

[Ariel]

I could see Detroit taking him since Cade is 6'6" so they could play next to each other. Washington obviously. Not sure why you're thinking Houston wouldn't take him if he's best available. Amen is raw and still a major project with some real bust potential while they already have a higher upside and much higher floor swing 3/4 than Risacher/Williams in Jabari Smith. And if some teams drafting 4-7 don't want Dillingham but don't like the steep dropoff in talent they can always trade the pick to someone who wants a PG. Maybe the Spurs get lucky and Rob slides to 7-9 where they could take him with a hypothetical Toronto pick that has conveyed but I wouldn't count on the stars aligning for it to happen.

Detroit has a horrendous logjam at guard and is completely devoid of wings, with Troy Weaver's job on the line, if he takes Dillingham and doesn't pan out instantly he'll be out of a job before he has a chance to be vindicated. Risacher or Cody Williams are much more defensible picks, even if all Risacher does is shoot from 3 and not be a cone on defense, due to their horrendous roster construction the Pistons will be better served by taking him.

Houston seems to be focused on winning now, they have too many young guards and even then, Dillingham doesn't seem to be an Ime kind of guy (defense first). With that said, they seem to value talent more than anything (that's why they didn't hesitate to take Sengun and Cam Whitmore and it's paying off) so I don't completely rule it out, all I'm saying is that even in the case he's their pick, chances are they'll pick after the Spurs pick twice, so it's not them I worry about.

Like I said, unless he goes ballistic in the NCAA tournament and takes Kentucky to the le (quite possible, actually) I would not put my money on him being a top 5/6 pick, so he could be there for the taking even if he's not the Spurs' first choice. I just hope they don't pass on him twice, because every time he torches us it's going to sting.

[SpursBills]

As a player Tre is very different from Trae, and I don’t mean in terms of capabilities. Obviously Trae has a MUCH larger skill set and is clearly the better player, but Tre is a better floor general who can run an effective nba offence. Tre isn’t elite I that regard but he is satisfactory, or at best above average in that regard.

I felt Trae is a smaller poor man version of harden. Green light, great passer, get in lane, ball dominant, foul baiters, doesn’t do much on defence or off ball. They win you games but at the expense of the growth of the team. If the spurs are aiming to be pretenders then sure, go for it. They will be a playoff team for sure even in the compe ive west, but the ceiling will likely be a 2nd round exit, or WCF if we get really lucky.

James Harden is really an excellent comparison both negative and positive for how Trae would affect a team. The guy plays a heliocentric style, plays terrible defense, and basically forces everyone to conform to him. On the one hand, he's always come up short with his style both with Houston and in Philly as his foul-baiting causes his efficiency to take a nosedive in the playoffs.

On the other hand, I think Harden has been a huge part of the clippers' recent run. He's basically turned Zubac into a useful player and taken over a lot of the playmaking duties from Kawhi to allow him to focus on defense and iso scoring. Clippers were basically floundering before the trade and after an initial rocky start they've just been dominating the compe ion. Harden's made some of the more one-dimensional guys on that team more useful. After his horrible start to the season Trae's shooting 40% from 3 on the season

As far as Trae, like I said earlier, it's a big risk for sure and obviously comes down to roster construction and price. If you draft a high level 3 and D wing he's probably going make our offensive pieces make more sense. He'd require careful coaching though to make sure he doesn't stunt the development of our young guys and act as a crutch to prevent them from developing their independent offensive games. I'd probably do Atlanta picks/swap + Keldon + salary filler but not much more than that because of how turnover prone he is limiting how efficient an offense he's driving

[TimmyBuckets]

Trae is a top 3-5 guard in the league. Anyone who doesn’t think that’s an insane duo is crazy.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Trae is a top 3-5 guard in the league. Anyone who doesn’t think that’s an insane duo is crazy.

Highlights are fooling u... He is a highly inefficient scorer, and for your lead PG he has a bad assist/turnover ratio

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Trae is a top 3-5 guard in the league. Anyone who doesn’t think that’s an insane duo is crazy.

Haliburton, Brunson, Mitc , SGA, Curry - there’s 5. Guess I’m crazy. I could add 10 more and you’d be hard-pressed to make a case for Trae.

[Ignazzz]

Haliburton, Brunson, Mitc , SGA, Curry - there’s 5. Guess I’m crazy. I could add 10 more and you’d be hard-pressed to make a case for Trae.

Agree, very hot take
not 5 not 4 but maybe top 3 guard ( so both positions?)
top 3-5 guard . Wow

where is Luka Doncic?

top 7 only PGs can be ok ( without Ja Mo)
without Booker Harden Mitchel maybe Edwards (SF?)

[R. DeMurre]

As a player Tre is very different from Trae, and I don’t mean in terms of capabilities. Obviously Trae has a MUCH larger skill set and is clearly the better player, but Tre is a better floor general who can run an effective nba offence. Tre isn’t elite I that regard but he is satisfactory, or at best above average in that regard.

I felt Trae is a smaller poor man version of harden. Green light, great passer, get in lane, ball dominant, foul baiters, doesn’t do much on defence or off ball. They win you games but at the expense of the growth of the team. If the spurs are aiming to be pretenders then sure, go for it. They will be a playoff team for sure even in the compe ive west, but the ceiling will likely be a 2nd round exit, or WCF if we get really lucky.

For me, the big question is salary. Trae Young will get paid $43mil next year, while Tre Jones will get paid $9mil. By taking on Trae's salary, the Spurs would be locked in to the two top future salary slots being spoken for with Wemby and Trae. Moving Wemby to center and starting Jones moved the Sours from a bottom of the league defense to a middle of the league defense. Adding Young would be taking a step back from that. Is Young a good player? Sure. Is he better than two well rounded two way players each making $21mil a year, or three solid players making, say, $21mil, $15mil, and $7mil? I don't think he is.

[Kevin]

For me, the big question is salary. Trae Young will get paid $43mil next year, while Tre Jones will get paid $9mil. By taking on Trae's salary, the Spurs would be locked in to the two top future salary slots being spoken for with Wemby and Trae. Moving Wemby to center and starting Jones moved the Sours from a bottom of the league defense to a middle of the league defense. Adding Young would be taking a step back from that. Is Young a good player? Sure. Is he better than two well rounded two way players each making $21mil a year, or three solid players making, say, $21mil, $15mil, and $7mil? I don't think he is.

I'd rather have Young at 43M than Keldon and Dev at 46M combined next season. Throw Zollins in and it would be 64M.

The Spurs have a good chance at assembling a big three in one offseason if they trade for Young and hit on their top pick.

[LeBowen]

I'd rather have Young at 43M than Keldon and Dev at 46M combined next season. Throw Zollins in and it would be 64M.

The Spurs have a good chance at assembling a big three in one offseason if they trade for Young and hit on their top pick.

Yeah, can't look at salaries with just the numbers, it's all about timing.

, I'd rather have Trae at 43M than Devin at 30M.
He's nowhere near worth 30M at his current level.

Trae's deal alligns with Webmy's rookie deal, both expire in 2027.
So it's not like the Spurs would be locked in two max deals right away.

He'd always be easy to trade if he stays healthy for more or less the same value.

Anyhow, it's not happening before summer even if it happens.
Who knows which players might become available in July.

[Kevin]

Yeah, can't look at salaries with just the numbers, it's all about timing.

, I'd rather have Trae at 43M than Devin at 30M.
He's nowhere near worth 30M at his current level.

Trae's deal alligns with Webmy's rookie deal, both expire in 2027.
So it's not like the Spurs would be locked in two max deals right away.

He'd always be easy to trade if he stays healthy for more or less the same value.

Anyhow, it's not happening before summer even if it happens.
Who knows which players might become available in July.

A Young deal needs to happen in the summer. Give the Hawks all their picks back plus the Hornets pick but they have to take back Zollins.

[exstatic]

A Young deal needs to happen in the summer. Give the Hawks all their picks back plus the Hornets pick but they have to take back Zollins.

Yes, let’s lock ourselves in a room and bid against ourselves. If they had an offer even close to that, he’d be on another team by now, which means they haven’t had one. His market is very cool. If I wanted him, and I don’t but this is just a thought exercise on how NOT to bid against yourself, I’d offer back both the 27 ATL pick and the CHA pick, and throw in the 2025 CHI pick. Under NO cir stance do they get the 25 pick or the 26 swap. If they don’t like that, they can shove it up their ass.

[Kevin]

Yes, let’s lock ourselves in a room and bid against ourselves. If they had an offer even close to that, he’d be on another team by now, which means they haven’t had one. His market is very cool. If I wanted him, and I don’t but this is just a thought exercise on how NOT to bid against yourself, I’d offer back both the 27 ATL pick and the CHA pick, and throw in the 2025 CHI pick. Under NO cir stance do they get the 25 pick or the 26 swap. If they don’t like that, they can shove it up their ass.

Young isn't for sale as of the deadline.

The Hawks will only deal Young to the Spurs because we control their picks. If Young isn't dealt to the Spurs then he stays in Atlanta and those picks hover in 8-10 range. You're not getting Flagg or Boozer with those picks. Let it go.

[exstatic]

Young isn't for sale as of the deadline.

The Hawks will only deal Young to the Spurs because we control their picks. If Young isn't dealt to the Spurs then he stays in Atlanta and those picks hover in 8-10 range. You're not getting Flagg or Boozer with those picks. Let it go.

He’s been for sale since last summer.

[Kevin]

He’s been for sale since last summer.

Ok whatever you say.

[mo7888]

A Young deal needs to happen in the summer. Give the Hawks all their picks back plus the Hornets pick but they have to take back Zollins.

I'd rather not.... nobody is going to pay that for him

[Kevin]

I'd rather not.... nobody is going to pay that for him

Hornets pick is a junk asset by and large plus a bad contact is being thrown in.

[TimmyBuckets]

Haliburton, Brunson, Mitc , SGA, Curry - there’s 5. Guess I’m crazy. I could add 10 more and you’d be hard-pressed to make a case for Trae.

yes that’s crazy because Trae is on the same level as SGA and curry offensively. Mitc lol. Trae is easily a top 3-5 guard offensively. You’re not getting a guy like Trae in FA as the Spurs. Be happy he mentioned this team. With Wemby that’s a deadly duo.

[mo7888]

Hornets pick is a junk asset by and large plus a bad contact is being thrown in.

But nobody is giving them the equivalent of their picks back... What would we even be competing against?

[The Truth #6]

Speaking of ridiculous scenarios. Trae demands a trade to the Spurs. His value drops. RC and Brian find themselves in an uncomfortable situation. Trade packages are discussed. In the end, a trade materializes but Trae ends up elsewhere but Brian then sees an opportunity to make it a three team deal to trade Cedi for a second round pick. Lol.

[manufan10]

[Ariel]

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-trade-d...020104872.html

There are several front offices that listened to Atlanta’s pre-deadline chatter and came away from conversations with the Hawks of the belief Trae Young could become available for trade this summer — depending on Atlanta’s outcome for the remainder of this campaign. That could very well prove to be wishful thinking from rival teams, just like league personnel will hope and pray that Joel Embiid becomes available in Philadelphia, or Giannis Antetokounmpo becomes available in Milwaukee, and so on. But for now, one spot other than Los Angeles that’s repeatedly been mentioned by NBA figures as a potential home for Young — if Atlanta were to ever consider parting with its franchise face and All-Star lead ball-handler — is San Antonio. The Spurs do lack a clear-cut pick-and-roll partner for rookie sensation Victor Wembanyama.

[Seventyniner]

Trae to the Spurs for all of the Hawks' draft capital back makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Sure the Spurs could try to play hardball with the Hawks and hold back a pick, but I don't think the Hawks are willing to accept the embarrassment of trading Trae for less than what they sent for Dejounte. Even for equal amounts it will be somewhat embarrassing but that can be mitigated some by the Spurs sending out Keldon, for example.

The Spurs can also just roll the dice and not trade those Hawks picks or swap at all. That's quite risky, taking the "two in the bush" strategy. The chances that any of those three picks turns into a player better than Trae is pretty low.

[JPB]

If anyone wants to see that happening with Wemby, I don't... Remember he's the first one with the ball in his hands as a PG. And that Hawks have regressed even since Murray signed with them. They are 22-29 as we're speaking.

(Per ESPN):

When Young is on the bench, Murray has produced at an All-Star level himself. According to data from PBPstats.com, Murray is averaging 26.0 points and 7.4 assists per 36 minutes with a .598 true shooting percentage (TS%) without Young. Those marks compare closely to All-Star starter Damian Lillard's production this season with the Milwaukee Bucks: 25.4 points and 6.9 assists per 36 minutes on identical .598 TS%.

When he plays with Young, Murray's production dips to 19.5 points and 4.0 assists per 36 minutes with a poor .534 TS%.

[Kawhi Duncan]

yes that’s crazy because Trae is on the same level as SGA and curry offensively. Mitc lol. Trae is easily a top 3-5 guard offensively. You’re not getting a guy like Trae in FA as the Spurs. Be happy he mentioned this team. With Wemby that’s a deadly duo.

You don't watch much Trae for you to make a statement that silly... Trae shoots 43% from the field in his 6th season... Needs that ball in his hands every second on offense and is a bad passer when you take that into account at 2:1 assist to turnover ratio... Y'all only pay attention to him when he plays against us and it's warping the reality of what type of player he is... His own teammates don't like him

[Ariel]

I think at the end of the day it's Trae who gets traded, because he'll get them a larger return. Only hope it's not to the Spurs, at least not for the haul many are eager to throw at Atlanta around here.