Lebron James a Spur for the vet minimum with a Bronny draft pick

[scott]

None had close to the impact Lebron had. We're just seing a proportional reaction.

Look I'm not denying racial issues or motivations from some of the haters, I'm just saying it's a corelation more than the causation I gave you.

I currently live in London, but I'am aware of the social issues in te US, they're the same in europe. I have myself been disciminated my whole life bc of my origins (my dad was algerian and being arab in France is worse than black ), so I have all the empathy in the world for what you're living.

But generalizing/oversimplifying is just going to make you angrier when more nuance and maybe analysis (respectfully) will give you a better picture

It's a basketball, networking, media, power, lobby, social injustice (financially speaking) issue, not a racial one. Even if in the lot you'll find some also racially motivated.

I hope I don't sound patronizing man, I've just been in your place when I was younger and know how much discriminations can impact the way we think. When emotions are involved, we just can't think clearly sometimes and we build up scenarios.

The Bronny's draft criticism is not racially motivated, it's just a great opportunity to on Lebron who's as much hated than he's loved

First of all, I’m not “angry” about anything - I can just see through this pretty clearly. And, respectfully, I don’t think you’re really all that aware of some of the racist social undercurrent that is going on in our country right now. The idea that this is about networking/media/power/lobby, etc doesn’t hold up, because all of those elements are at play at the nepotism in our country that happens day in and day out that no one gives a damn about. This is about one of two things: Lebron or race, and frankly some of the Lebron hate stems from a racist place to begin with.

I know Europe has its fare share of racism and hatred, but (again, respectfully) it’s just a different thing to what we continue to go through here (neither is worse than the other - they’re both de able). The excuses people give to suddenly care about the Bronny nepotism is just that: excuses. You can find tons of examples of every single reason people are pretending to be upset happening with white dudes, and folks given zero s about. Honestly, in my mind, nepotism isn’t even really something to give a about anyway. It’s someone using their influence/cache/value to benefit their families which is what each and everyone one of us does when we go to work everyday. It’s just that some people offer more influence/cache/value than others. it, flaunt it if you got it. I’m a middle aged, upper class, mixed race asshole myself… and trust me, I’m going to use every bit of leverage I have to help out my kids too.

[Obstructed_View]

or worse, a racist.

Oh no. Not a racist.

Plonk, got.

[Pauleta14]

First of all, I’m not “angry” about anything - I can just see through this pretty clearly. And, respectfully, I don’t think you’re really all that aware of some of the racist social undercurrent that is going on in our country right now. The idea that this is about networking/media/power/lobby, etc doesn’t hold up, because all of those elements are at play at the nepotism in our country that happens day in and day out that no one gives a damn about. This is about one of two things: Lebron or race, and frankly some of the Lebron hate stems from a racist place to begin with.

I know Europe has its fare share of racism and hatred, but (again, respectfully) it’s just a different thing to what we continue to go through here (neither is worse than the other - they’re both de able). The excuses people give to suddenly care about the Bronny nepotism is just that: excuses. You can find tons of examples of every single reason people are pretending to be upset happening with white dudes, and folks given zero s about. Honestly, in my mind, nepotism isn’t even really something to give a about anyway. It’s someone using their influence/cache/value to benefit their families which is what each and everyone one of us does when we go to work everyday. It’s just that some people offer more influence/cache/value than others. it, flaunt it if you got it. I’m a middle aged, upper class, mixed race asshole myself… and trust me, I’m going to use every bit of leverage I have to help out my kids too.

Just bck now I was in full insomnia mode and finnaly managed to sleep a bit.

I should have used the word upset rather than angry, not alwasy easy to find the right words in english tbh...

I probably follow US's news even more than the French's (there's an election today and the extrem right has a chance to be in power for the 1st time in modern era, so trust me the issues a global and the same everywhere) or the UK's (where I live). It's not a compe ion haha, my point is just that I really understand what you're talking about.

Just to stay on the Bronny topic, haven't you met, heard or read black people criticising or ting on Lebron? Or just ppl you know aren't racist? Because I have.

Now if you only focus on social medias's reactions, you have to remind yourself that those don't give an exhaustive picture of the situation, just the caricature and both extreme reactions mainly (the haters and the fanboys basically)

Angry people, extrem pov do post A LOT more than reular people who dgaf

It's the same principle than reviews online, upset people will alwasy be more vocal than the peaceful majority

Again not trying to be patronizing (I feel like I sound like it^^), I'm just getting old, have studied sociology and keep seing the exact same mechanisms by myself.

We all mix correlation and causation at some point and your perception of racism being the motivation for Bronny's draft criticism is a clear case of a correlation being interpreted as the causation to me.

The real racism/discrimination is alwasy social. Especailly in US or UK where success/money has no colour.

Old european catholic countries like France rely so much on networking than the chances of success of a black arab asian etc is far less probable than in the US or the UK. not even close. (It's one of the main reasons I moved then stayed in London despite being from a far more beautiful city ^^)

Don't go to France if ur black

And if u feel for Bronny remember how lucky he is, even if he's average it'll be a win for him.

[scott]

Just bck now I was in full insomnia mode and finnaly managed to sleep a bit.

I should have used the word upset rather than angry, not alwasy easy to find the right words in english tbh...

I probably follow US's news even more than the French's (there's an election today and the extrem right has a chance to be in power for the 1st time in modern era, so trust me the issues a global and the same everywhere) or the UK's (where I live). It's not a compe ion haha, my point is just that I really understand what you're talking about.

Just to stay on the Bronny topic, haven't you met, heard or read black people criticising or ting on Lebron? Or just ppl you know aren't racist? Because I have.

Now if you only focus on social medias's reactions, you have to remind yourself that those don't give an exhaustive picture of the situation, just the caricature and both extreme reactions mainly (the haters and the fanboys basically)

Angry people, extrem pov do post A LOT more than reular people who dgaf

It's the same principle than reviews online, upset people will alwasy be more vocal than the peaceful majority

Again not trying to be patronizing (I feel like I sound like it^^), I'm just getting old, have studied sociology and keep seing the exact same mechanisms by myself.

We all mix correlation and causation at some point and your perception of racism being the motivation for Bronny's draft criticism is a clear case of a correlation being interpreted as the causation to me.

The real racism/discrimination is alwasy social. Especailly in US or UK where success/money has no colour.

Old european catholic countries like France rely so much on networking than the chances of success of a black arab asian etc is far less probable than in the US or the UK. not even close. (It's one of the main reasons I moved then stayed in London despite being from a far more beautiful city ^^)

Don't go to France if ur black

And if u feel for Bronny remember how lucky he is, even if he's average it'll be a win for him.

Re: the bolded part, yes - that's largely the Bron hater camp, not the racist camp. If you go back and read, you'll see I've consistently offered two primary reasons.

As for the rest, we'll just agree to disagree. Is there a handful of people who are just upset by the idea of nepotism overall and feel like this topic a platform to speak out against it? Sure, but there are a lot more people who just see a black man using his influence.

Just today, Lada Gaga had her law firm drop their representation of P Diddy by threatening to leave. I've yet to see a single article on how Lady Gaga is abusing her influence and leverage.

[Knoxxx]

I was excited to see Bronny go to LAL what a great storyline
.
And I definitely don’t see it making LAL improve so even bettah baby!!!

[MultiTroll]

I was excited to see Bronny go to LAL what a great storyline
.
And I definitely don’t see it making LAL improve so even bettah baby!!!

No better true.
But better in the sense that Lebron stays.
He purportedly he will take less then max.
Now is he going to do a Timmy Duncan take less in pursuing a Championship? No. Sounds like he'll maybe go 20% less.

There just probably never will be another Duncan.
Unless Wemby.....

[Pauleta14]

Re: the bolded part, yes - that's largely the Bron hater camp, not the racist camp. If you go back and read, you'll see I've consistently offered two primary reasons.

As for the rest, we'll just agree to disagree. Is there a handful of people who are just upset by the idea of nepotism overall and feel like this topic a platform to speak out against it? Sure, but there are a lot more people who just see a black man using his influence.

Just today, Lada Gaga had her law firm drop their representation of P Diddy by threatening to leave. I've yet to see a single article on how Lady Gaga is abusing her influence and leverage.

I guess, but it's all good, I like exchanging with diff pov

Don't you think Lebron has/is also a lot protected in the medias (who need him)? 99% of them are dfending him vigorously...

There are too many counter examples for your theory to be true imo. I forgot about the Tanazis instance lol ... Nobody hates on him, it's just hillarious and 99% of ppl acknowledge they'd do the same thing...

I think you underrate 2 things, 1, how much years of Lebron forcing his narrative has drawn ppl againt him, a lot are very active/haters, many prob lead by racist sentiments but still are fans of another player who happens to be black.
And 2 the fact that Bronny wasn't even decent but really bad in college (I know there are excuses, the operation etc, but still, it impacts how ppl perceive his level)

As for the global subject on itself, I'd add that it's requires nuance but everybody tends to put everything in the same box.

People are confusing racist and enophobic sentiments, ethnicism and communautarism etc

In the end it's most of the time a social discrimination. Rich black people are as much critic toward the cliches of "black communautarism" than white ppl for ex

Anyway, good talk

[scott]

I guess, but it's all good, I like exchanging with diff pov

Don't you think Lebron has/is also a lot protected in the medias (who need him)? 99% of them are dfending him vigorously...

There are too many counter examples for your theory to be true imo. I forgot about the Tanazis instance lol ... Nobody hates on him, it's just hillarious and 99% of ppl acknowledge they'd do the same thing...

I think you underrate 2 things, 1, how much years of Lebron forcing his narrative has drawn ppl againt him, a lot are very active/haters, many prob lead by racist sentiments but still are fans of another player who happens to be black.
And 2 the fact that Bronny wasn't even decent but really bad in college (I know there are excuses, the operation etc, but still, it impacts how ppl perceive his level)

As for the global subject on itself, I'd add that it's requires nuance but everybody tends to put everything in the same box.

People are confusing racist and enophobic sentiments, ethnicism and communautarism etc

In the end it's most of the time a social discrimination. Rich black people are as much critic toward the cliches of "black communautarism" than white ppl for ex

Anyway, good talk

Man, there is so much depth to this that I honestly don't even want to get into. But "I like other black players" isn't an exoneration from racism. It's that Lebron is the kind of black folks don't like: outspoken, opinionated, powerful. These people don't like blacks who exist beyond the comfort zone of their pre-prescribed notions of what blacks should be. There is an old racist trope: "I don't dislike black people, I just hate those n----". That's some of the nuance at play here... but your free to believe whatever you want. Nepotism is rarely an issue in America where unless there is some other underlying agenda at play. Sometimes it's race, sometimes it's politics, sometimes it's because someone doesn't like a particular person... but even those who think nepotism is a problem, it's not that top of mind here until it's convenient vehicle for other gripes.

[Pauleta14]

Man, there is so much depth to this that I honestly don't even want to get into. But "I like other black players" isn't an exoneration from racism. It's that Lebron is the kind of black folks don't like: outspoken, opinionated, powerful. These people don't like blacks who exist beyond the comfort zone of their pre-prescribed notions of what blacks should be. There is an old racist trope: "I don't dislike black people, I just hate those n----". That's some of the nuance at play here... but your free to believe whatever you want. Nepotism is rarely an issue in America where unless there is some other underlying agenda at play. Sometimes it's race, sometimes it's politics, sometimes it's because someone doesn't like a particular person... but even those who think nepotism is a problem, it's not that top of mind here until it's convenient vehicle for other gripes.

I agree, it's too deep and I'm not comfortable enough writting in english to go on tbh ^^

I'll end up on an optimistic note, repeating that it's actually a great thing for Bronny big picture wise, he almost can only go up