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All we need is Wemby to break his foot in his sophmore year and we're guaranteed top5 odds.
I'm just disappointed we didnt draft Edey with the 8 pick. I could understand the wiew for future but frankly my impression is still now that we Just misreact After Just missed the actual "french"
targets... The point Is that also with Wemby we are bad at rebounding. Plus Wemby and Edey are imho perfect together on offense and Edey would have faced on defense strong big men likes Embiid. Plus and third reason is that one of our main opponents/challengers in our south west is going tò use against us the combo of strong big man (once Adams, now Edey) and mobile shot blocking big (Jackson for them) I had in mind for us (Edey/Wemby).
All we need is Wemby to break his foot in his sophmore year and we're guaranteed top5 odds.
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Nice to see teams who are smart with their draft picks...get better eventually.
OP trying to suggest Spurs are being smart with their draft picks and will eventually get better because of it?
We just gave away a top 10 draft pick...for nothing.
Watch Juan Nunez highlights and see who fits better passing to Wemby, and at 6’4 6’7 wingspan, MVP of the Spanish league. Who’s Dilly? I already forgot
We don’t have to make a splashy move because I do think it’s valuable to use this year to figure out how Wemby-Castle-Vassell fit, but I would like to see one shooter added, whether it’s a PG or a wing, so we can see functional lineups that will have some mix involving Jones, Castle and Sochan. A league average shooter (hopefully better), should give us a lot of information about how to move forward with Castle and Sochan.
Yes! I love this guy...from what I've seen anyway.Watch Juan Nunez highlights and see who fits better passing to Wemby, and at 6’4 6’7 wingspan, MVP of the Spanish league. Who’s Dilly? I already forgot
Juanobili.
Start him right now. No better learning experience than starting for a ty team. You'll get way more minutes than playing on a good team. Start him tomorrow. This guy is a real point guard.
They can tank for another year but if they are doing it in year 3 then it just shows their going downhill and have really no vision of how to build a team. I have never seen an organization do well with their superstar player by tanking 3 years in a row or longer and I would say only the Knicks with Ewing did this and Curry with the Warriors. There is an exception with Curry since the Warriors took several years to be a playoff team with him, but Curry didn't become a superstar until like year 5 or 6 of his career right when the Warriors became a playoff team. Victor looks like he will reach supers om this upcoming season.
I feel the Spurs are more like the Knicks during the 80's when they were building a team around Ewing. I'm starting to see some similar parallels if the Spurs continue to be a lottery team for 3-4 seasons with Victor.
Markkanen is my dream pickup but after the Bridges trade, Ainge prob won't sell him for anything less that 5 or 6 FRP's which is just nuts. Not holding my breath on that anymore. I'm going to be paying closer attention to ATL's season next year than our own tbh cause we really need them to suck next year. Hopefully for our sake Risacher busts and the Hawks are even worse than they were this season. A lot will depend on what they trade Dejounte for, assuming he's gone this Summer.
No one has ever said this. This has been the weird hat trick of this thread. No one's mad about the Spurs not getting George or Butler both because they haven't actually "not gotten them" yet and because people (or at least I) understand there's a difference between what one personally thinks is best and other okay paths that can be followed. Had the Spurs kept Dillingham/drafted someone else at eight and then proceeded to not make a move for a legit vet, I'd grumble but not really care. The reason why this thread hit so wrong is because you made it in the wake of the Spurs "deferring" a top-10 pick seven years. In other words, instead of being able to evaluate a "Dillingham/Williams and Wemby fit" to see if one of those guys was a long-term piece, they're giving themselves fewer options this year. It suggests they intend to be bad for a long time, not just one more year.
That's a huge reason why your thread is getting the eye-rolls it is. Nobody from the Spurs has indicated that the team is going to stop after this upcoming season. That you personally give them one more year of runway couldn't matter less, just as me giving them last season of runway doesn't matter. Building through the draft has plenty of problems, but it's at least a path forward, but after the draft, it's not clear the Spurs are on that path. So preaching patience about your personal special standard for when the tanking can stop rings hollow. That's not your fault, but it is the team's fault.
But this is a different matter. You brought up three examples. The Curry one is inapplicable. He was a ninth pick who was injured so much that his first extension was very small. There was no pathway they built when they drafted him. He was closer to Dillingham than Wemby in terms of his cachet entering the league. I don't care about the Bulls, but seeing as the team drafted Pippen despite being what would be a play-in team, I don't think that's a good counter argument. I used the Thunder as an example last year and know it well. But their success came on the back of Durant's improvement. He blew up in his third year and dragged the Thunder to the playoffs. Wemby was already at second-year Durant level. It's not going to be easy to get a top-five pick from their natural selection, vets or no.and, actually, the complete opposite of what has happened in the history of the NBA. What the Spurs need to do is find that 2nd core piece that will help Wemby contend for years to come.
But you seem to misunderstand (somehow again) the issues with the idea of drafting a second and third guy. The Thunder were not going to be able to keep their team together. They chose to keep their two best players and move on from Harden. People blame Perkins, but it would have had to have happened sooner or later. That was under the old cap system too, before the Rose-Max and when all maxes were calculated from a different calculation of the revenue split (which was about 90-95 percent of the actual cap). No matter how many times you stick your fingers in your ears and shout, you can't keep teams together in the modern NBA. You used to be able to keep them together by asking guys to take less. Lebron made sure that didn't happen anymore. Then you used to be able to keep them together if you were willing to pay tax. The NBA severely curtailed that. The Spurs may be able to keep one guy with Wemby on a second max. But they are going to have to cycle players. That's why it's okay/necessary for Wemby to have ephemeral stars around him now -- he's going to be doing that his whole career no matter what, just as Lebron has and Doncic undoubtedly will.
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I've been reading some Jazz fan takes and while they're somewhat split between embracing the tank and wanting to keep Markkanen, they all agree that Ainge wouldn't accept just picks.
They have 15 FRPs in the next 6 drafts, they'll definitely want at least one player with high upside. I don't think that even Devin would be enough.
They'd want OKC's Williams or similar.
We can only hope Markkanen refuses to extend and Jazz holds on until the deadline.
It is a bit soon to presume Spurs won't do with those assets or to think they have no clue. How can you judge assets use end of Wemby first year ? Besides I don't give pass, there is a rational behind Spurs decision to trade that pick that I try to understand.
I think we all agree that throwing around assets last year to sign bunch of players would have been dumb not knowing how Victor would adapt to the NBA, now they have a better vision and in this vision this pick was not worth it in the overall picture. Again way premature to determine Spurs FO does not know what they are doing. In the meantime, meltdowns are fun, everybody is en led to their own opinion.
On a side note unless I am mistaken but this pick has nothing to do with Spurs tanking. The tank brough the number 4 pick we will figure out if it was worth it.
I like this time frame but the roster will have to be nearly unrecognizable in 2 years to be a .500 team imo; we're still a long way away from that and still intent developing guys that will never be good. Hoping for the best but in the Brian Wright era this FO hasn't exactly been great at separating the wheat from the chaff
I fully agree with these timelines, am much more patient than many here, and even still have faith in developing some of the roster.
But I cannot imagine the Bulls, Warriors, or any of these teams throwing away a #8 pick or even an early second round pick at the end of these rookie seasons.
I hear you. However, what your asking for is blind faith: faith that they will demonstrate they have a clue or faith that they will do with the assets. I prefer to look at the evidence:
- The draft strategy is not consistent with making near-term changes. 2031 is not 2027. Drafting and stashing for cash considerations is not consistent with making nearer term roster changes to visibly improve.
- The DNA of PATFO does not include a willingness to make a blockbuster change. I agree with those who say Pop and RC are still heavily involved, if not driving the ship. I've said this multiple times, but the first time they push all their chips in will be the first (and I'm happy to eat crow on this if/when they do so).
- They've repeatedly said that they have a long runway and are committed to the nucleus of personnel they have. Draft night presented an opportunity to move off of Blake, Branham, etc... They "liked what we have."
- They've also indicated that mindlessly stockpiling assets is "always a good strategy." The fact that they think Vic will stick around is great - I hope they're right. Their strategy is to preserve ability when he's 28/29 - while overlooking the 7-8 years in between that point - which is just stupid.
- They absolutely are tanking. Several reports - including one from Windhorst - have stated they are looking to the 2025 draft. Their stockpiling of what is now looking to be mid-first round picks is consistent with that.
I agree that there is a rationale. I disagree that it is a sane one. If you look at the evidence, you see a front office obsessed with ac ulating assets with little-to-no near term vision on how to make improvements. Nor do you see any inclination as to when they'll "flip the switch," much less how they intend on doing so.
here's why we traded Dillingham:
I honestly don't know the answer to this question, but did any of those teams trade out a top-10 pick during those 4-5 year windows. I'd be surprised if they did, but could be wrong on that.
I'm not asking blind faith but looking back at the couple of years previous to Wemby arrival they actually did it right, trading players for future assets to ensure a clean tank job to have a shot at Wemby while ensuring great cap space flex was the right move. I maybe in the minority here but I consider last season a great sucess. Wemby has been healthy and his improvement during the RS is mindblowing. Even with the experimental , Wemby pulled off the greatest rookie of all time and made the all star defensive team, he must be absolutely thrilled about that. To top it off Spurs having a number 4 pick even in a weak draft is great. For the rest we have, alongside Wemby, a reasonably good starter with Devin, a solid back up PG with Tre, a still potential with Sochan (not giving up yet) and some okay ish role players (Cedi, Julian, Mamu...)... that's not so bad (I'm a half full glass kinda guy).
On my side it is a so far so good state of mind. Regarding the trade of the pick I'm not thrilled about it, it would have been fun to watch Dillighan with Wemby but I understand where the FO is coming from.
We’re lucky we didn’t have GM LeBron picking Bronny at 55th pick. That’s just funny
Well, we'll need to find a Pippen if we're doing a bulls comparison, Vassell is no Pippen, he's a chucker.
Actually, the opposite. Keep reading, tbh.
Why are folks assuming I'm fine with trading away Dilly?
If you folks would have read just a couple posts below:
This thread in now way excuses the dumb trades PATFO did during these two draft days, tbh.
Guys, the Spurs were never going to take Dillingham. He wasn't the pick, Minnesota called, and then they said, "Well, let's give him up for a pick and swap next decade."
They didn't pick Dillingham for themselves and change their minds. They picked him for the Wolves.
Either they wanted Salaun and got pouty and refused to pick anyone else when Charlotte took him, or they never really liked anyone at 8 to begin with. Once Minnesota called with the deets, they traded the pick away before the draft happened.
Yea, once we took castle to play pg dilly made zero sense here
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