I work with a huge Kings fan and I've been having fun with this. I told him before the season that Demar was a mistake but he didn't believe me. He's at least resigned to the fact that they need to make a major change though, because they are going nowhere.That is honestly a fair offer that even I would be hesitant to make. If they ask more then they can go ahead and themselvesThey really shot themselves in the foot with DeEmptyStats.
How does that go well with CP3? Yes CP3 is worst, but he came her to be a starter and to mentor, and he is working. He is teaching. Is it worth getting Fox and pissing off CP3? Considering Fox isn't the most perfect fit. On top of losing Vassell who might be one of the best shooters in league going forward?
Any long time NBA fan should've known that from the start
unless the Spurs know already that CP3 will be traded during the season
You gotta trade Devin over Castle. We know who Devin is, and more importantly, who he will never be. He’s a very good yet streaky shooter who can get a bucket in iso or catch and shoot. He’ll never be a shot creator for others, or an above average defender, and at this point be consistently healthy (I hope he does, as a human being). Castle is almost everything Devin isn’t - a great defender, shot creator, facilitator, high ball IQ, with a strong and durable frame (knock on wood). Shooting is his weakness but my god he’s 20yo. To quote KG, anything is possible. With all that on the table between the two players, you pair Castle with Wemby, not Devin.
As I watch the Pacers stomp the Kings, Fox is good at basketball (breaking news). You see the speed, handling, shot creation, passing, and collecting fouls. Like others have said, young shot creators are not growing on trees in the NBA. Him and Wemby would be magic, and his opportunistic defense would work well with Wemby behind him.
My only concern on Fox, interested in everyone’s opinion, is if his game is so reliant on speed, what happens around age 32? And we don’t have Engelland around like Tony did. You assume he works his shot over time and we build around the duo, so of course not a deal breaker, but something to think about.
But yeah you go get him at the right price. Would love Fox Huerter for Vassell Collins and picks, hoping Kings convince themselves they could use a properly sized backup C for Sabonis vs 6’9” Lyles. As for the picks - SA 25, SA 27, and maybe SA 29 + some 2nds? Only 2 FRPs would be close to highway robbery, but one can pray.
Last edited by Davidicus; 12-22-2024 at 08:17 PM.
Bro…CP3 has a brain. He’s said he’s in the league for another 1-2 years. Just think about this for a second. What’s he gonna say to PATFO? “Hey why did you make a move for your future and 20yo phenom and not me?”
Steph is a dog and I would love for him to be Wemby's #2 actually, but expectations and reality are different. He had a great stretch and now he's hit a rookie wall, understandably so. But saying Castle>Devin taking future considerations into account doesn't sit well with me as of this moment.
It’s a gamble either way, but Castle is the safer bet. With his work ethic and shooting form, I personally have no doubt he at least will grow into an average shooter, if not better. And with Fox, Castle is Wemby’s #3, not 2.
Spurs always seemed rumored with everyone but never do anything.
Spurs are tight fisted giving anything of value in a trade and don't want to part with their first round picks and would rather build through the draft. That's just how this front office runs.
The point was, is Fox the ideal fit. For an ideal fit, you go for it. It's business. Sure. But with all the options in the league that the Spurs have on their target list, where would Fox lie? Where would you put him? It's not like the Spurs are in desperate mode or anything.
In this hypothetical, I think the Spurs would be okay with starting CP3 and Fox next to each other with Sochan and Barnes as the wings and while I wouldn't love it due to having a combo midget backcourt, I wouldn't necessarily hate it (eh... I probably hate it). Then you run a 3-guard rotation with CP3-Fox-Castle. For whatever reason, PATFO likes running these CP3-Tre minutes. It's not what I would do, but I don't think they'd have a problem with it.
Solid post. Like you said, it's a gamble no matter who you pick between Castle and Devin, but I think the signs point to picking Castle (plus you might be able to get more for Devin right now, and you get the benefit of shedding his contract). I would easily pick Castle of the two as well, The defense is a huge difference maker.
More random thoughts:
1. Tre's inclusion in the deal would be a no brainer for both sides. If the Spurs add Fox in addition to CP3 Castle plus one of Wesley/Mal they have no need for a Tre. Conversely the Kings could really need another PG if they dealt Fox with Dev being a SG.
3. I keep hearing that Dev's deal is team friendly at 29M which I think is dubious. If it is in-fact team friendly then Fox making about 37M is extremely team friendly. Over the next 1.5 years Dev and Fox make comparable money which is nuts because Fox is vastly more all around than Dev.
3. Taking back Heuter's contract is not a big deal as his contract (16m) expires at the same time as Barnes (18M) and Zollins (18M). Plus Fox is still under contract though next season at 37M.
4. The Kings still have DDR, Sabonis and Murray and are unlikely to want to nuke everything for the best future assets possible. Win now assets make more sense thus the inclusion of Dev, Tre, ATL Picks fast conveying and dumping the Hueter deal a year early.
5.A smattering of second round picks make sense since the Kings are light on second rounders long term while the Spurs have way too many.
This guy is reminiscent of prime TP. No wonder the FO is interested in him. An Elite penetrator with a big that can do anything.....that's scary asf.
After all the question is, if the Spurs are in love with the "all positions have size and can defend" idea. While Fox is an ok defender, it would push Castle (if Dev is rhe one being traded) to the wing, thus making us a rather short team in the backcourt.
Also there are questions about Devins health. Is he really reliable enough moving forward? Losing every second year contending because he is injured seems bleak.
For me, I really like Fox and see him as one of the affordable "Stars" that I like to get even if it costs us some of the FRPs. But nontheless I'd rather stick with the mentioned defense/size concept as it feels like it could make our team something really special.
I'd take fox. Also would take trae
The more research I do the more I like moving for Fox
He did lead the league in steals last year, I imagine he could wreak more havoc with Wemby scaring teams like he does.
He's not a bad defender like the other rumored point guard of the last 2 years, Trae Young. And he's a legit 6-3 with some length and not a stubby frail looking 6-1 (allegedly) like Young
And while he's not a 100% perfect fit because he's a below average shooter, at least he'll take the shots.
He can score at every level, and he's a big time scorer. Kings have been a top 10 offense the last 3 years with Fox, I think SA would be similar, they're 17th now.
Fox this season has had a 60 point game and followed it up with a 49 point game.
He's been a consistent 25+ per game for several years. No one else on the roster has that potential. Finding someone in the draft who can get 25 every night on his own is no guarantee, and it takes years to get there any way.
If the Kings would be sad enough to take Zollins and Keldon I'd be happy with both ATL picks, the Chicago and Charlotte potential picks, and giving them their swap back. A 9 man rotation of Wemby, Barnes, Vassell, Castle, Fox, Sochan, Paul, Champagnie and Bassey .... They're an easy playoff team and would be a series threat for playoff upset.
Not worried about the contract. Not eligible for the Supermax unlike Young who's already on one. And Spurs have never had a hard relationship with Klutch.
Get it done B-Wrong!
Fox is also averaging 3.6 deflections per 36, which is more than any Spur this season on the active roster and is the most of any rotation player since Dejounte in 21-22
Still Stanning for Trae at this point isn’t a great look. He’s shooting 32% from long, and his FTAs are down to 6.5, off of his career best 9.3 and only better than his rookie mark of 5.1. If he’s not shooting well and not getting to the line a ton, that no trade is looking like a serious bullet dodged.
He's clearly taller than a lot of players listed at 6'3 and has a 6'6.5 wingspan.
I don't even trust official heights anymore, just look at this picture:
6'1, 6'3, 6'2, 6'3, 6'5, 6'3 are their listed heights.
Fox is clearly taller than Steph and Scoot who are also listed at 6'1 and Seth looks taller than his brother despite being listed at just 6'1.
I’m in your camp on all of this. Suspect this is a price that could clear the market. Don’t love it tbh but would be nice just to see a shakeup as I don’t see the draft saving us anytime soon.
If we're taking Huerter's bad contract, I'd offer just one of those ATL/SA picks.
You could swap DeRozan for Champagnie and the Kings would be better
i though the NBA require real heights without shoes to be listed I know some of the old ones height stayed as listed but like all new players get real height listed when they get measured at combine etc
Last edited by twodeep; 12-23-2024 at 12:28 PM.
SL: CP3, Fox, Vassell, Sochan, Wemby
Bench: Tre, Castle, Champ, Barnes, Bassey
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