Pick #38 - Strategies

[Mr. Body]

Didn’t Brian Wright make some kind of reference to possibly picking in round 2 last night?

I understand that the second round is kind of the Wild West, but to trade it for a pick years down the line along with cash seems so dumb to me. The offer wasn’t an overwhelming one, so why not wait and see what drops? Surely there would have been an offer once the pick was closer to on the clock. He also said he tried to move up for Bryant last night. Would 38 have not been more helpful than a 2030 2? I don’t know. Just seems weird to jump the gun for such a little payoff.

Yes, Wright mentioned they'd be monitoring and involved in the second night in some way. So they're not taking the night off at least.

[Vienna]

I half agree with you on that. I think it would be difficult for Spurs to add Fleming to their roster given all the players they have at that spot.

For Raynaud/Kalkbrenner, there would be more room. Spurs only have 1 center under contract for next season with Wembanyama. Drafting Raynaud/Kalkbrenner and signing a cheap vet center as insurance would work.

there is just limited room for development players on the roster and even college seniors would be of that kind.
CP and Barnes showed once more, how important vets are regarding the development of the young guns.
now they bring in two more young kids. I just can't see them add more and I also don't see a can't miss opportunity in the 2nd round.

they might/will go for a center in free agency, or try a trade. maybe a S&T, they have enough assets to facilitate/sweeten such deals.
after this moves they might go back to the undrafted market and work with two way or unguarrenteed money.

[vy65]

there is just limited room for development players on the roster and even college seniors would be of that kind.
CP and Barnes showed once more, how important vets are regarding the development of the young guns.
now they bring in two more young kids. I just can't see them add more and I also don't see a can't miss opportunity in the 2nd round.

they might/will go for a center in free agency, or try a trade. maybe a S&T, they have enough assets to facilitate/sweeten such deals.
after this moves they might go back to the undrafted market and work with two way or unguarrenteed money.

That's the wrong calculus. The right calculus is: 1) are there prospects in the 30s that are better than Riley Minnix or Harrison Ingram (the answer is yes) and 2) can a pick be re-purchased at a reasonable price (I'm somewhat skeptical of this). There isn't enough talent at the bottom part of the roster to create a commitment to the detriment of going out and securing better prospects. Particularly when some (e.g., Kalkbrenner and Raynaud) address a position of need.

[scott]

Yes, Wright mentioned they'd be monitoring and involved in the second night in some way. So they're not taking the night off at least.

I’m wondering if teams (not just the Spurs) will use tonight as kind of a kick off to Free Agency by doing a lot of deals with existing players, with tonight’s SRPs as lubricant to be the final piece of said deals.

I’m sure Brian will be active tonight, even if it doesn’t result in any deals actually being done.

[Mr. Body]

I’m wondering if teams (not just the Spurs) will use tonight as kind of a kick off to Free Agency by doing a lot of deals with existing players, with tonight’s SRPs as lubricant to be the final piece of said deals.

I’m sure Brian will be active tonight, even if it doesn’t result in any deals actually being done.

It's rare to have a lot of executives in the same place, right?

[scott]

It's rare to have a lot of executives in the same place, right?

I’m not sure how many are actually in New York… looked like Brian was back at Spurs HQ

[spurraider21]

Spurs got Kings 2030 second round pick for #38. It's a fine return given Kings situation (even if it will change in the next 5 years).

There are 4 players left that can help Spurs: Raynaud, Fleming, Penda and Kalkbrenner.
Spurs could package 2 or 3 future second round picks to get one of them with a very early second round pick.
Will they do it and have 3 rookies next season? Likely no, but we'll see..

yeah the kings one should be a good second round pick. maybe a top 10 second round pick. maybe even #8!

[spurraider21]

Looking at fanspo trade machine looks like the Spurs have 16 SRP’s from 2026-31 including the Sacramento 2030 they just got from Indiana.

2026 - 4
2027 - 1
2028 - 3
2029 - 3
2030 - 3
2031 - 2

cash considerations

[mystargtr34]

cash considerations

Straight to the Trump campaign!!

[Ariel]

there is just limited room for development players on the roster and even college seniors would be of that kind.
CP and Barnes showed once more, how important vets are regarding the development of the young guns.
now they bring in two more young kids. I just can't see them add more and I also don't see a can't miss opportunity in the 2nd round.

they might/will go for a center in free agency, or try a trade. maybe a S&T, they have enough assets to facilitate/sweeten such deals.
after this moves they might go back to the undrafted market and work with two way or unguarrenteed money.

If you get yourself a player who fits a need and can contribute from day 1, you can easily develop them along the way. The problem stems from taking long term projects who are net negatives for years at least (if not ever), i.e. the Wesley/Branham/Cissoko category, those are the ones we need to avoid. Kalkbrenner would fit nicely from day one, even if as a 10/15 mpg backup. Fleming, Raynaud also, to a lesser degree.

[sfernald]

Next year with the spurs having four seconds, it’s gonna be brutal to watch bw give them away to his gm friends like they were WoWS “fun coupons”.

[DPG21920]

There was no reason to do that trade so fast. Almost everyone who traded their 2nd tonight got more than SA. Most of them got a 2nd in this draft + future 2nd(s) too

[scott]

There was no reason to do that trade so fast. Almost everyone who traded their 2nd tonight got more than SA. Most of them got a 2nd in this draft + future 2nd(s) too

Feels like the Cash Considerations were the more important aspect to the Spurs

[Vienna]

That's the wrong calculus. The right calculus is: 1) are there prospects in the 30s that are better than Riley Minnix or Harrison Ingram (the answer is yes) and 2) can a pick be re-purchased at a reasonable price (I'm somewhat skeptical of this). There isn't enough talent at the bottom part of the roster to create a commitment to the detriment of going out and securing better prospects. Particularly when some (e.g., Kalkbrenner and Raynaud) address a position of need.

no. the wrong calcus is to act as if picking in the 2nd round was the best option to fill a position of need.

including #2 and #14 the Spurs currently have 12 players under contract. this might change because of some moves, but this is where they are right now. and obviously they didn't think it was the best strategy to fill remaining roster spots with some 2nd round picks. I assume they did their calcus of their own and that's the result. it is totally irrelevant, if we think a player like Raynaud is good enough for this roster, if they don't see it that way.

they will put some FAs into this open roster slots and yes, I think that's a better strategy than to roll the dice on Raynaud or Kalkbrenner, who may, or may not, be good enough to play in the NBA.

[rascal]

There was no reason to do that trade so fast. Almost everyone who traded their 2nd tonight got more than SA. Most of them got a 2nd in this draft + future 2nd(s) too

2nd round picks have more value on the 2nd day as the player landscape unfolds.

[vy65]

no. the wrong calcus is to act as if picking in the 2nd round was the best option to fill a position of need.

including #2 and #14 the Spurs currently have 12 players under contract. this might change because of some moves, but this is where they are right now. and obviously they didn't think it was the best strategy to fill remaining roster spots with some 2nd round picks. I assume they did their calcus of their own and that's the result. it is totally irrelevant, if we think a player like Raynaud is good enough for this roster, if they don't see it that way.

they will put some FAs into this open roster slots and yes, I think that's a better strategy than to roll the dice on Raynaud or Kalkbrenner, who may, or may not, be good enough to play in the NBA.

Of course that's their decision making. The whole point is whether its sound or not.

[Vienna]

2nd round picks have more value on the 2nd day as the player landscape unfolds.

evidence?

[benefactor]

evidence?

It very literally just happened

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

It very literally just happened

What happened? No pick around 38 was traded for a significant package.

[Darkwaters]

I would argue that 2nd rounders at the very top of the 2nd round can have immense value (ie, picks 31 an 32).

For instance, most people did not expect Rasheer Fleming to be there at 31. At the beginning of the draft's first day a team might have no interest in trading for 31. However, once they know that pick gets them Fleming their mind might be changed. It's no longer a lottery ticket, but actually has a name attached to it. A player that "should have" gone much earlier and is still available.

Unfortunately, as we get further into the 2nd round I think many of those sliding "would be" 1st round type players get scooped up and then it's just your typical 2nd round flotsam. By the 38th pick there just aren't many (if any) left. And there isn't nearly as much compe ion to trade for those picks as a result.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I would argue that 2nd rounders at the very top of the 2nd round can have immense value (ie, picks 31 an 32).

For instance, most people did not expect Rasheer Fleming to be there at 31. At the beginning of the draft's first day a team might have no interest in trading for 31. However, once they know that pick gets them Fleming their mind might be changed. It's no longer a lottery ticket, but actually has a name attached to it. A player that "should have" gone much earlier and is still available.

Unfortunately, as we get further into the 2nd round I think many of those sliding "would be" 1st round type players get scooped up and then it's just your typical 2nd round flotsam. By the 38th pick there just aren't many (if any) left. And there isn't nearly as much compe ion to trade for those picks as a result.

Yeah, I was critical of the Spurs decision making yesterday but reality showed they’ve judged the market well.

Only picks 31 and 32 were traded for more value than 38.

Pick 36 was traded twice - first time for 2 seconds, however, these are 2nds Phoenix are receiving from Houston in the Durant trade. Houston didn’t have any good seconds, in fact a lot of them were of the kind ‘lesser of…’

So then during the actual draft pick 36 is traded again - for pick 45 and cash. Yikes. Then pick 41 was traded for picks 52 and 59. Give me a clean Sacramento 2nd any time over these.

Safe to say the Spurs got the 3rd best package of any second round pick that was traded.

[HankChinaski]

Yeah it's lame spurs could have brought in some value at the 4/5 for the 2nd unit. But kicking the pick down the road and getting cash back is a safe bet to make.

They must have strong targets to trade / sign to fill the holes at 4/5 once the moratorium hits

[rascal]

Should had gone for Fleming.
He was cheap, could of had him for 38 and another couple of second round future picks.

[scott]

Saw some information that Raynaud ended up going #42 to SAC because that was his preferred destination. Combine that with the other quote from the MIN GM saying that there were approximately 20 player deals before the 2nd round even started and you can start to see that the 2nd round isn’t really a draft at all, it’s just the first wave of UDFA.

Spurs have probably decided they don’t want to play that game.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, I was critical of the Spurs decision making yesterday but reality showed they’ve judged the market well.

Only picks 31 and 32 were traded for more value than 38.

Pick 36 was traded twice - first time for 2 seconds, however, these are 2nds Phoenix are receiving from Houston in the Durant trade. Houston didn’t have any good seconds, in fact a lot of them were of the kind ‘lesser of…’

So then during the actual draft pick 36 is traded again - for pick 45 and cash. Yikes. Then pick 41 was traded for picks 52 and 59. Give me a clean Sacramento 2nd any time over these.

Safe to say the Spurs got the 3rd best package of any second round pick that was traded.

Yeah, they spotted teams bailing out and the glut of marketed picks drove the price down. At this point so many SRPs have already set things up with their agents that it's not really a draft anymore.