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I think you are confused on my position, ;p Why would I care if another person kills them?
Then don't be a ing hypocrite. You just let someone else kill those mammals you eat.
I think you are confused on my position, ;p Why would I care if another person kills them?
does this sound familiar?
what does that have to do with anything i believe in?
i don't see your point
Anthropomorphism not only leads to a complete lack of scientific rigour when studying animal behaviour but is probably one of the most glaring evidences of the decline of the human civilization. Personally, I have to start wondering if hunting humans is wrong, at least those who believe that hunting animals is morally wrong.
Yarrr, my fellow scurvy Americans, arr…”
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I am a hunter. I bow hunt and I rifle hunt at times. I do not sit over a feeder...I think that is about as unsporting as it gets, but...to each his own.
The above quote about "cows and chickens have historically always been means of food" is false. Historically, wild animals that were hunted and killed were used as food. That is especially true here in the Americas. It was not until animals that were dumb and docile enough to be domesticated were they used as a food source.
Killing a wild animal for meat is a human tradition that has been around as long as well....humans. Hunting and killing in my opinion is a very spiritual thing. For me, I love walking the hills and stalking game. When you say cows and chickens are "provided by whatever creator or whoever made this earth." I say so is the deer, elk, or hog. When I am walking through the woods and a deer crosses my path that is close enough for me to take with a bow...I think that our creator has allowed that particular deer to cross my path. If I make the kill, my family and friends get to share good clean healthy protien. If I do not make a kill, I make another stalk or plan to hit the HEB before I get home. It is a huge responsibility to take a life. When I do, I am thankful and I thank the heavens.
Don't get me wrong, I like my hormone/antibiotic injected t-bones as much as the next guy, but if I had my choice, I would like to provide venison that I hunted and killed. The hunted deer has more of a chance than the cow or chicken in the slaughter house.
May your next steak be medium rare and your chicken be well done.
Marcus
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Oh, and I also enjoy knowing I stopped a beating heart.
Marcus
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Find yourself a really good piece of venison and you will be out in the woods chasing after deer with your bare hands. Man eats animals. Man is strong so he kills animals to eat. That's how the world works. If you disagree, that is your right. Just do not think your opinion even matters to anyone else but yourself.
A sport though? Hunting is as much a sport as golf.
Not a sport.
The politics of this forum are such that this is probably not the best place to debate hunting...
I will say though that I have hunted all over the world and seen things that are amazing... I am a member of organizations that donate millions of dollars a year internationally to conserve habitat and prevent destruction by the population explosions in 3rd world countries due to advanced farming and water proliferation.
That's what people really don't get... the wild places are going away now faster than they ever have... hunters... even the ones that are hunting things like lion, leopard, elephant etc are on the ground seeing it... right beside the people that film planet earth... they are fighting HARDER against it than anyone else because it affects them PERSONALLY... they don't just lament it when it comes on the national geographic channel for an hour.
Presence of regulated pay hunting in African countires... middle eastern countries asian countries etc gives animals value that otherwise would be destroyed as pests by farmers and ranchers.
A prime PRIME example of this is Kenya...
in 1977 Kenya banned all forms of pay hunting due to pushes by animal rights groups. In 1977 all kinds of animals were abundant and dispersed through much of the country park and non park alike...
Now? You are hard pressed to find a large predator outside the areas that are used for photo safari... Lions are being killed rampantly by people using cotton defoliant on lion killed cattle carcasses.... the plains animals... wildebeest, zebra, antelopes, buffalo... have been significantly reduced by poachers and nyama meat hunters... The elephants were some of the first to go when hunting was closed... no one was there to fight the dictators kill squads that went in and wiped out almost the entire population to fill his coffers...
Regulated pay hunting would stop lions from being killed with poison... it would seriously curtail the hoofed animals from being slaughtered for meat. It would bring money as compensation to the areas where these animals have been a problem... and would allow them to live peacefully alongside people because there would be an incentive to have them there. A regulated take of animals a year allows the whole population to prosper...
Tanzania... just to the South of Kenya never stopped regulated hunting... they are the #1 destination in africa for the serious hunter... the game is bountiful... Lions, Elephants, leopards Hippos Buffalo Wildebeest, Zebra etc are EVERYWHERE and the people are fine with it...
Safari companies put in water wells, employ the population... etc...
Safari companies also police their concessions and severely limit the amount of meat poaching that the local population can get away with... they try to limit the amount of cattle and goats...
"Sport" Hunting in the right situation is a net POSITIVE for wildlife...
Ask the WWF.
^ great ing post
Open carry? Texas is most def not open carry.
Why do people always have to bring in race. Because no mexicans, blacks or (insert race ehre) hunt?
Becuase X games isnt international compe ion. And only white people from America play poker.
God you are an idiot, i hope that if you havent already that you never do procreate.
And what the isup with people draggin up old threads?
Poll is closed, but i have no problems with hunting. I personally am too pussy to do it, i dont want to kill another mammal, but due to overpopulating, i dont see anything wrong with it. I DO, however, have a problem with these exotic ranches and exotic hunts (lion, elephants, whatever..) you obviously arent going to eat that , so leave it alone...I could understand a farmer wanting to kill off mountain lions that are eating his herd, but thats about it.
Fishing on the other hand, i absolutely love. I keep a limit (should be dropped to 5 trout along the whole coast imo) of trout up to 20", i wont keep anything over 20", and usually will toss them back if they arent at least 16ish. Trophy trout are beautiful and should be left in the water to produce more trophy trout! I will keep my limit of redfish in the slot. Dont do a whole lot of offshore fishing yet, but that may change when i buy my next boat.
Hunting / fishing / etc...nothing wrong with it at all, just dont be a bag about it.
In spite of your thoughtful and courteous response, those are facts. In the absence of predation (including hunting), animals in the wild will suc b to parasites, disease, or starvation. They don't lay down and go to sleep in spite of what you might have inferred from your obviously extensive education in wildlife biology from watching Walt Disney movies.
Well said
Funny how people always just refute things without presenting evidence.
Ive never been, so forgive me...
..but I was under the understanding you Texans can carry firearms so long as they are not concealed (thus, open carry).
So, gun racks in trucks, pistols on the hip, so on and so forth (obviously, cant have a criminal record, I would think).
Is this true or untrue? If untrue, please, just a small explanation.
You can have a gun in your gun rack so long as it isn't loaded... don't think you can have it in a school zone...
There is no regulation saying you can't walk down the street with a rifle strung over your shoulder...
Now... will you get hassled... probably...
I had an exchange with a cop in Freer last year like this with a loaded rifle on my passenger seat when I was stopped for a speeding ticket...
Sir is that weapon loaded?
"yes"
Is that the only gun in the car?
"no"
Do you have any handguns in the vehicle?
"no"
License and registration please...
hehe
I got hassled by a Bexar County Sheriff a few years ago...I think he was actually doing random stops on obvious hunters trolling for DWI's...It was on a Friday night during hunting season and I was in a 4X4 loaded with "stuff" and obviously heading south for the weekend...I had two rifles in the cab in a stainless steel double gun case...he made me open the case...he asked me if the guns were loaded....I told him the magazines were loaded but they did not have rounds in the chamber...he made me unload the rifles and put the ammo in my toolbox...I don't know if it was bull but he said I could have the guns in the cab and the ammo in the toolbox or I could have the guns in the toolbox and the ammo in the cab but they couldn't be in the same place...
Same here. I'd go far enough to say that I feel like a coward because I don't hunt. Agro production of meat is sickening and I'd much prefer to humanely kill my own meat... Though I don't; I watched a friend blow a deer's snout off once and I haven't been able to hunt since.
Agreed. Same with pedestrian animals; that weak ass Cheney , where they plant birds and drive you out to shoot them.I DO, however, have a problem with these exotic ranches and exotic hunts (lion, elephants, whatever..) you obviously arent going to eat that , so leave it alone...
that. Mountain lions are the mother ing . I hope the next farmer who tries to shoot a mountain lion misses the shot and gets mauled to death. Then I hope the lion kills the whole herd, forcing the widow into bankruptcy and an eventual move to Des Moines and her surly son-in-law's house.I could understand a farmer wanting to kill off mountain lions that are eating his herd, but thats about it.
Trophy trout are beautiful and should be left in the water to produce more trophy trout!
I doubt it was BS. Even in liberal ass gun law Utah you have to keep your ammo/mags at least "one step" away from your guns. Though I think a locked glovebox counts, so you could keep a gun and the ammo in the cab as long as one was locked up.
It is 100% fact Hunters/Fishermen are the biggest conservationists.
Texas is not open carry.
I killed one in Montana that was hunting ME.that. Mountain lions are the mother ing . I hope the next farmer who tries to shoot a mountain lion misses the shot and gets mauled to death. Then I hope the lion kills the whole herd, forcing the widow into bankruptcy and an eventual move to Des Moines and her surly son-in-law's house.
Did you taxidermy that up? That sucks you killed it, I wish it would have gotten you instead, but things being what they are, I hope you at least have a cool trophy.
Yeah, that's the only thing I have mounted...it's in a relaxed pose laying over a log with it's head up staring.
Had a friend from my younger crazy days visit a few years ago from out of town and spend the night at my house...he wanted us to meet some other friends and go out partying ...I had to get up early so told him I had to pass but go ahead...before he left, I told him that whatever he did when he got home to NOT open the bedroom door at the end of hallway...that that was where I kept my pet mountain lion...he obviously assumed I was still crazy enough to be serious.
After he left I took the lion off the log and placed it on the back of my sofa facing the door/light switch my friend would use when he came home...turned the lights out and went to bed...
About 2:45 I heard this high pitched shreik...and my buddy screaming..."the lions out! the lions out!"
Thats Michigan law, as well. I drive a truck, so I keep the guns in my back seat and the ammo case in the bed (bungie corded, no toolbox).
Maaaan, you guys have no idea about the bull people believe about Texas then.
Up until this conversation, I would have stated with relative confidence that you Texans could have a handgun holstered in public so long as the piece was not concealed.
Urban myth, I guess....or is it county specific? Or is it just plain bull from start to finish?
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