Manu Ginobili is the ing truth!!!

[Peter]

He's played the late game hero without TD plenty of times so don't give me that crap! I think its bull . Perhaps if TP and Manu hadn't come to the Spurs they wouldn't have won 2 championships, but I'm willing to bet neither would Duncan. The Spurs' success is due to all 3 of them, perhaps a little more so in the case of Duncan since he was a big part of the 1999 championship. In fact, I would add Bruce Bowen to that list, I think he's an extremely important factor on this team.

Now quit ing about who is more important and enjoy the fact that we're doing well!

Has he carried a NBA team to the postseason as the 1st option?

[smeagol]

How so? Do you honestly believe that Manu and Tony don't owe any of their NBA success to Tim Duncan?

Where did I say that?

I only said Marcus is and idiot if he thinks TD “made” Tony and Manu. I have not followed TP’s career but I have followed Manu’s and he has done what he does in the NBA everywhere else he’s played. And in these places (Italy and the Olympics) he was not playing with TD.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Has he carried a NBA team to the postseason as the 1st option?

Well he sure looked like the first option in most games this last postseason. Are you seriously going to stand there and downplay what Gino did against Denver, Phoenix, and Detroit?? I'm not saying he is as good as Tim, I'm saying although not as good, he is still great.

[Peter]

Where did I say that?

I only said Marcus is and idiot if he thinks TD “made” Tony and Manu. I have not followed TP’s career but I have followed Manu’s and he has done what he does in the NBA everywhere else he’s played. And in these places (Italy and the Olympics) he was not playing with TD.

I said that TD made those two NBA All-Stars. Instead of a rational defense, you merely resort to namecalling and bluster. Until you can bring something else, shut up.

[2centsworth]

I remember when Manu and Tim played each other and Manu spanked that ....

[Peter]

Well he sure looked like the first option in most games this last postseason. Are you seriously going to stand there and downplay what Gino did against Denver, Phoenix, and Detroit?? I'm not saying he is as good as Tim, I'm saying although not as good, he is still great.

The 1st option has been and will always be TD. Manu's not the 1st option when he gets the rock after it's been thrown into TD.

[cheguevara]

The 1st option has been and will always be TD. Manu's not the 1st option when he gets the rock after it's been thrown into TD.

WTF?? dude you're giving the name Peter from OfficeSpace a bad rep w/those responses

[Peter]

I remember when Manu and Tim played each other and Manu spanked that ....

...in the NBA? Nope.

[leemajors]

The 1st option has been and will always be TD. Manu's not the 1st option when he gets the rock after it's been thrown into TD.

nice pointless semantics argument.

[Peter]

nice pointless semantics argument.

How is it pointless? The Spurs go to TD often to initiate the offense, moreso than Manu. Manu feeds off of the D's response to TD.

[cheguevara]

Next Peter is gonna argue that the ref is important to win championship because he throws the ball at tip-off

[Peter]

WTF?? dude you're giving the name Peter from OfficeSpace a bad rep w/those responses

Now that's a quality response.

[Peter]

Next Peter is gonna argue that the ref is important to win championship because he throws the ball at tip-off

So TD doesn't draw any attention from opposing D's when he's on the block? Good one.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

So TD doesn't draw any attention from opposing D's when he's on the block? Good one.

Christ, fine Peter! You want to hear that Tim is more important to this team then Manu, then fine, he is. Its obvious! The point is, Manu is still great. This is a thread about how Manu wooped Indy's ass, and you come along and make it into a TD vs Manu ! Quit being such an ass and aknowledge that Manu's 34 foot 3 pointer against Indy was SO SICK, THE KID NEEDS A DOCTOR!!

[Mixability]

[leemajors]

stating the obvious is pointless. gnob has proven he can flourish in other systems, why can't you just admit he is a good player?

[smeagol]

Ginobili's All-Star berth last season was due in no small part to his postseason rep. Take that away, which is not hard to do if you are projecting where a Spurs team w/o Duncan would be in the L, and he's got what?

No. Wrong again.

Manu made the all star because of how he was playing in at the beginning the 2004/05 season, especially after he dropped 48 on the Suns in late January. His post season in the 03/04 season was average.

[Peter]

stating the obvious is pointless. gnob has proven he can flourish in other systems, why can't you just admit he is a good player?

Has he proven that he can carry a NBA team to the postseason as the focal point of an offense and without the best player and best post player as a teammate?

Where have I said that he is not a "good player"?

[Peter]

No. Wrong again.

Manu made the all star because of how he was playing in at the beginning the 2004/05 season, especially after he dropped 48 on the Suns in late January. His post season in the 03/04 season was average.

Was Duncan not on the team?

[leemajors]

seeing as he hasn't played for any other team, i don't see the point of that argument. just because he has flourished in places other than the nba does not mean he hasn't achieved legitimate success.

[leemajors]

Has he proven that he can carry a NBA team to the postseason as the focal point of an offense and without the best player and best post player as a teammate?

Where have I said that he is not a "good player"?

the same place that all these people you are arguing with stated that duncan isn't a focal point for the spurs offense, i guess...

[Peter]

seeing as he hasn't played for any other team, i don't see the point of that argument. just because he has flourished in places other than the nba does not mean he hasn't achieved legitimate success.

That does not place him on par with Duncan.

[BigVee]

So TD doesn't draw any attention from opposing D's when he's on the block? Good one.

I really hate to get in this, but as many times as not, Manu initiated the offense off of a pick and roll, where he makes the decision whether to shoot, drive, pass, etc. They run that just as much as they throw the ball to Duncan. I see it time and time again at the end of games due to Ginobili's decision making and the fact that he makes his free throws. No one argues the overall importance to the team..

[Peter]

I really hate to get in this, but as many times as not, Manu initiated the offense off of a pick and roll, where he makes the decision whether to shoot, drive, pass, etc. They run that just as much as they throw the ball to Duncan. I see it time and time again at the end of games due to Ginobili's decision making and the fact that he makes his free throws. No one argues the overall importance to the team..

Sure, and often TD is the guy setting the pick.

[leemajors]

That does not place him on par with Duncan.

no one is trying to place him on par with duncan. remedial reading classes may help you with this comprehension problem.