White teens accused of brutal racist attack

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The authorities felt it was important to mention to the the Press that it was because he tried to kiss a "white girl" and they were thinking about whether to file "hate crime" charges, but the boy hadn't died yet. And of course the brutality of what they did after knowing the racial implications and racial slurs helps to give some kind of an idea.

That's what the authorities were focused on, not any of the other crap some of you would like to bring up. It didn't even say they were trying to find out if maybe it was something else.

Nuff said.

That Duke case is a good example of why people are so skeptical whenever there are cries of "racism."

There is at best scant evidence of any connection between the alleged rape and the members of the lacrosse team. Yet because of the charged racial and town vs. gown atmosphere, the authorities -- for political reasons -- are eager to paint the issue as a racial one, even as a "hate crime." And of course the media jumps right in. The first stories we read were of spoiled privileged white boys who thought they could have their way with a poor black girl and get away with it. The media had the narrative all ready.

Oh, but wait... then the facts came out. Hmm... maybe this isn't such a slam dunk after all. Maybe it didn't happen the way the media reported it.

Here's Kori's first foray into the thread:

Hate crime normally means you commit the crime against someone because of their race (ethnicity, sexual orientation). It doesn't mean that you happen to call them racial slurs while you are beating them up. So unless these two have some sort of history of hating Hispanics, then this probably cannot be categorized as a hate crime. Because it doesn't seem like they did this because of his race.

Emphasis mine. It turned out that the two of a history of hating Hispanics in that they are white supremacists. Therefore it can be categorized as a hate crime. Kori's initial statement was accurate.

[SA210]

That Duke case is a good example of why people are so skeptical whenever there are cries of "racism."

There is at best scant evidence of any connection between the alleged rape and the members of the lacrosse team. Yet because of the charged racial and town vs. gown atmosphere, the authorities -- for political reasons -- are eager to paint the issue as a racial one, even as a "hate crime." And of course the media jumps right in. The first stories we read were of spoiled privileged white boys who thought they could have their way with a poor black girl and get away with it. The media had the narrative all ready.

Oh, but wait... then the facts came out. Hmm... maybe this isn't such a slam dunk after all. Maybe it didn't happen the way the media reported it.

Here's Kori's first foray into the thread:


Emphasis mine. It turned out that the two of a history of hating Hispanics in that they are white supremacists. Therefore it can be categorized as a hate crime. Kori's initial statement was accurate.

Really? What does Kori have to do with it? This is about timvp's comments which were entirely different from Kori's until of course Kori had to support her man, which is very understandable.

But Kori left it open for those possibilities that you quoted her as saying.

timvp did Not and his comments were entirely different than Kori's, and that's who I was talking about, so it's kind of ridiculous for some in here to try and spin what the arguement was to begin with and paint some other picture.

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sigh

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But Kori left it open for those possibilities that you quoted her as saying.

timvp did Not and his comments were entirely different than Kori's, and that's who I was talking about, so it's kind of ridiculous for some in here to try and spin what the arguement was to begin with and paint some other picture.

So timvp left no opening for those possibilities? Really?

That's not at all how the article read but if that's the case, then yeah it's a hate crime.

[SA210]

^^ Those weren't his initial statements.

[TOP-CHERRY]

What they did was repugnant.

Why can't you guys just let this bickering die already? It's ridiculous.

[Kori Ellis]

What they did was repugnant.

Why can't you guys just let this bickering die already? It's ridiculous.

Agreed

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What they did was repugnant.

Why can't you guys just let this bickering die already? It's ridiculous.

Because people like SA210 are the reason people like timvp get skeptical when allegations of racism come out.

[TOP-CHERRY]

I'd also like to point out that there's a lot of butt-kissing going on in this thread and it's pretty damn annoying.

I'm through venting.

[timvp]

Because people like SA210 are the reason people like timvp get skeptical when allegations of racism come out.

Exactly.

This was a hate crime, no doubt. But it won't always be a hate crime when two white guys beat up a Hispanic guy or when two Hispanic guys beat up a white guy. For some reason SA210 can't comprehend this.

[SA210]

Exactly.

This was a hate crime, no doubt. But it won't always be a hate crime when two white guys beat up a Hispanic guy or when two Hispanic guys beat up a white guy. For some reason SA210 can't comprehend this.

You're reaching. But nothing doing.

[SpursWoman]

I'd also like to point out that there's a lot of butt-kissing going on in this thread and it's pretty damn annoying.

I'm through venting.

Then I guess I won't point out that my initial thought to the original article was in line with what timvp had said. Because my daughter is almost 11 and I know how I would react, and I know how her father especially would react....if a 16 year old was messing with her. Her 9 year old little brother gets pretty pissed when people mess with her, too. And race would have nothing to do with it. That kid would be in deep if he were white, purple, black or brown.

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I'd also like to point out that there's a lot of butt-kissing going on in this thread and it's pretty damn annoying.

I'm through venting.

Every time I kiss timvp's ass he buys me a beer at the next GTG.

[SpursWoman]

You're reaching. But nothing doing.

Every crime committed or that will be committed in the future that involves a minority and a white person isn't going to automatically be racially motivated. WTF?

[TOP-CHERRY]

I think I'll be a little more specific.

*cough*TPark*cough*

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I think I'll be a little more specific.

*cough*TPark*cough*

My ass-kissing was far superior to TParks. I posted the article that disproved L.J.'s initial impressions about the initial article, then turned around and started arguing his side. That is some major-league sucking up. I'm thinking I've earned a good two or three beers.

[SA210]

Every crime committed or that will be committed in the future that involves a minority and a white person isn't going to automatically be racially motivated. WTF?

You see, there's the problem with your goup of friends.

You know for a fact that's Not what I mean and is Not what I am saying, but you purposely paint it that way.

So anyway, I have a meeting to go to. I'll just have to reply later to whatever garbage yall say while I'm out. And you might want to wipe that brown off your nose.

Until later...

[timvp]

And you might want to wipe that brown off

Racially Motivated Forum.

[timvp]

You're reaching. But nothing doing.

How am I reaching?

[MannyIsGod]

Hate crime legislation is a waste of tax payer money. If something is illegal, it is illegal. Murder is illegal regardless of the races inolved. But thats not the way elected officials get votes. Its not enough to simply enforce laws.

No, in order to get people like SA210 on your side, you hae to go out and create HATE CRIMES LEGISLATION! All of a sudden, murder is even WORSE! Of course it isn't, but by championing this type of legislation you can earn the votes of people like SA210 and the people that blindly follow with their signs and banners ready to march and wave.

Oh, and being human isn't illegal either.

[SpursWoman]

You see, there's the problem with your goup of friends.

You know for a fact that's Not what I mean and is Not what I am saying, but you purposely paint it that way.

Why? I just repeated exactly what LJ said and you replied that he was "reaching"...or basically disagreeing. It's not my fault if I assume what you actually wrote. According to you, anyway.

that's not our fault to assume what the writer actually wrote.

[T Park]

Wow

Me and manny agree 1000%

Manny, are you scared?

I'd also like to point out that there's a lot of butt-kissing going on in this thread and it's pretty damn annoying.

I'm through venting

I think I'll be a little more specific.

*cough*TPark*cough*

Jees

pardon the out of me.....

[MannyIsGod]

I know SA210's type. Its the reason I no longer do with the activists in town. This is exactly why.

[SpursWoman]

You see, there's the problem with your goup of friends.

You know for a fact that's Not what I mean and is Not what I am saying, but you purposely paint it that way.

So anyway, I have a meeting to go to. I'll just have to reply later to whatever garbage yall say while I'm out. And you might want to wipe that brown off your nose.

Until later...

And you may want to go wipe the "goup" off of yours.

[LakerHater0823]

I saw plenty of fights in High School, and it was pretty common to hear racial slurs during the fight. But those fights didn't start because a white guy wanted to beat up a black guy because of his race, or vice versa. It just sort of came with the package... you throw punches and hurl insults. If someone is a certain race, that's an easy insult for the weak-minded.

They should be put away for a very long time. They don't belong in civilized society. But focusing on the racial slurs and the races of the kids involved implies that this is somehow a greater crime because the victim was a particular race.

Anyway, I'm not gonna soapbox this one to death. Suffice it to say I think they should be severely punished for what they've done, regardless of why they did it.

Hurling racial slurs at someone while you fight is one thing but sticking a pipe in someones butt and kicking it in further to inflict as much pain and damage as possible is another. That is pure hatred.