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lol, that "ass" part was supposed to be "add"I'll fix it
I was all ???????? It couldn't have been that offensive to question the greek philosophers....
lol, that "ass" part was supposed to be "add"
lol, that "ass" part was supposed to be "add"
I was all ???????? It couldn't have been that offensive to question the greek philosophers....
Last edited by hegamboa; 05-31-2006 at 09:11 AM.
Can you imagine the conversations between Jesus and God?
God: Son, you must die for their sins.
Jesus: I have to die for their sins? These piss-ant little nothings? Are you insane? I'm your son, you asshole!
God: It's the only way.
Jesus: The only way??? Could you have put a little more thought into this, you maniac!
God: I have made my decision.
Jesus: Did you just create mushrooms or what!! Correct me if I'm wrong but, if they kill me, isn't that a sin? Man, I can't wait to see how this book ends!
Sounds like you received some lousy teaching. I remember something in that big book about the sun shining on both the righteous and the wicked.
Yes, what Im saying has nothing to do with the Bible, it has to do with what many Christians say. If they win 1 million in the lottery, they say that God is rewarding them for being pure. If a rapist wins the million, God had no role in the outcome. Can we pick and choose? Why doesnt God always make the good guy win?
Well, a lot of Christians are mistaken about the nature of God and how he doles out blessings. There are a lot of popular heresies that try to link piety with wealth or success. The shortest answer I can give is that God's blessings rarely manifest themselves in ways the world would see as "winning." In the infrequent case that they do, God would be more interested in the stewardship of those blessings than in the pampering of the recipient.
Well said...
BTW turambar85 a true Christian would probably not play the Lotto. If they did, that would mean that he/she was not trusting in GOD's provision. Now if you found a lotto ticket.... that's a different story.
Trust in Gods provision? But the lotto is an outlet through which God could provide. And if we should ignore risks and wait on Gods provision then why do risky invasive surgery? Should we then sit at home and wait for the healing?
Turambar85, you may be on to something. If it is Gods will, why am I spending so much on healthcare? Is it Gods will that I have healthcare and so many millions do not?
God hates poor people.
I don't know that I could support the notion that paying a nominal amount to enter a sweepstakes is unbiblical because it represents failure to trust in God's provision. By that logic, a church raffle is sinful.
Now, spending the rent money on lottery tickets... that's a problem.
Yes, but so is spending the rent money on big screen t.vs, expensive food, and dozens of pairs of shoes. If the church goes on a limb and says that because people spend so much on lotto tickets that it is wrong, they should also say that t.v's, good food, and shoes are wrong because people can, and do, spend all of their money on these as well
Do the churches where you grew up not preach about the perils of excessive materialism?
I watched a do entary a while ago that followed the lives of popular televangelists and christian theologians such as Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, Gerry Fallwell, Max Lucado, and a few other ones.
Bill Graham was the poorest of the group with only 9 luxury cars.
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The way I see it.... IMHO I play the Lotto by faith... not by odds.
Playing by faith means that if it's GOD's will for me to be financially blessed then HE will do so in HIS way... I don't need to supply any material for this to happen i.e. purchasing a Lotto ticket... It will happen in GOD's time and when and if HE so desires.
Besides I wouldn't play the Lotto even if I wasn't a Christian simply because I consider it a tax on those who are bad at math... the Jackpot would have to be over 1 Billion for the odds to play a little more in our favor, but with Jackpots that high you would likely have to split the loot with others, due to the Jackpot/participation correlation...
Having said that I guess I could understand your perspective.
Oh and with regards to church raffles, usually there is a need and a purpose to be filled by the raffle; the raffle itself just makes giving donations for said cause a little more interesting and fun. A facet which I don't believe can be equated to one's desire of becoming an overnight millionaire....
That's nice. The peril to which I was referring is not the scowl of a sanctimonious liberal. It is unmanageable debt.
Yes, stout, but my claim was that to make lotto wrong because excessive use is bad is equivalent to making shoe shopping wrong because excessive spending is bad. Do not say that to buy a lottery ticket is wrong, but say to make your children starve for your hobby is wrong, anything can be taken too far, and not just the lottery.
And hemawhatever(I forgot your name), a purpose is served by the lottery. In Tennessee the lottery has enabled thousands of students to attend college who otherwise would have either not have had the money, or would have struggled emmensely. And the odds with small tickets arent that bad. You pay 2 bucks and have a shot at winning 50-100. I, for instance, have easily come out on top with tickets. I would say Ive spent 100 this year on tickets, at the most, and have won well over 200, including two 50's on $2 tickets. It's not a big risk, and there are worse things in the world.
As a Christian, I have no problem with responsible participation in the Lottery, in and of itself. Of course, you have to be careful with the greed associated with it... but that applies to any financial pursuit.
Sorry again, I have to be more careful when making posts, the last two were supposed to be by Turambar85. I have a habit of not looking and always expecting my name to still be signed in.
How can you classify me a hypocrite? I feel that I'm fairly consistent.
You know stout I'm not really sure what it is that I have done to warrant your wrath, but even though you seem to truly despise my posts, I have grown to appreciate you as a poster.
In any event I haven’t really kept up with this thread and have no idea what the context of that particular statement was; I just saw it and added my input. My contention being that for whatever reason, organized religion has a truly corrupting influence. In the area of personal wealth alone I have seen this all too many times. In many of the churches I have attended one can find that the higher up in the hierarchy one goes the richer the clergy becomes. (I'm not even catholic). So instead of taking the generous donations these pastors get from their congregation and donating it to the community at large...you know the poor people that republicans hate so much... it gets invested in a new Lincoln navigator.
I am by no means an expert in Christian theology, but are we not suppose to be storing our treasures in the kingdom of heaven?
Do your feelings about organized religion resemble your feelings about organized government?
I think an organization based on faith versus an organization based on transparency and accountability have two very different trajectories. That being said absolute power corrupts absolutely and all that, I have always been a fan of a divided government, I think our country did well with Clinton in the white house and republicans in control of congress
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