Robertas Javtokas will sign with Spurs ?

[Bruno]

Bruno is that the actually tense of the word that means finalize? So does it mean "is finalizing"?

I haven't a great level of precision in the translation (I translate each word one by one with a lithuanian/french dictionary and then I try to rebuild sentencesin french and then I translate them in english ). I can't translate tenses because I don't know how tenses works in lithuanian.

For this sentence :
Vidurio puolëjas = center
baigia = I haven't an exact translation for this world but it's linked with the end/finalizing
suderinti = arrange
kontrakto = contract
su = avec
San Antonijaus „Spurs“ =
detales = details

[ChumpDumper]

Oh so you whine that Reggie Evans can't shoot but you are fine with putting Javtokas next to Tim? Duncan is the true center of the team. Javtokas not being able to shoot should factor in just the same as Evans not being able to shoot.

Double standard.

Well I think outside shooting has been a factor inasmuch as a shot from the key is outside. Spacing is paramount in our offense and is one of the reasons Pop wavered between Rasho and Nazr - of course defense was even more of a factor, but spaceing wasn't too far behind.

Pop did live for a time with some spacing issues when Nazr was out there as long as he was doing other things well. I imagine he'll tolerate the same from Javtokas if his boarding and D is up to snuff. When I saw Rytas play, their defense looked fairly similar to that of the Spurs (maybe slightly less helping), so maybe RJ's learning curve won't be too steep.

RJ also has the potential for blocking a few shots, something I can't really say for Evans. So LJ is right, RJ alongside Duncan would continue the twin towers -- and that might be the more likely route Pop will take given what's available.

[whottt]

Oh so you whine that Reggie Evans can't shoot but you are fine with putting Javtokas next to Tim? Duncan is the true center of the team. Javtokas not being able to shoot should factor in just the same as Evans not being able to shoot.

Double standard.

Crack much? This reminds me of when you correctly called the waiving of Ron Mercer and kept patting yourself(and Pop) on the back as we proceeded to not win a le due to ty, choking, and scared shooting...Well done. Too bad they don't give a trophy for keeping the chokers. But go ahead and keep claiming bode...




I don't view Javtokas as an alternative to Evans...they fill different needs. Is that a simple enough answer for you?

Just in case it isn't...I'll go further and give you a chance to get your early hate-on going for Javtokas. Javtokas is a much better offensive player than Reggie Evans...he's a better defender and shotblocker as well.

And Duncan still likes calling himself a PF on offense, or didn't you see Horry being announced as the starting C because Duncan wasn't ready to give up that le? It's not about D. He's always been a C on D...the Spurs have had two of them on D.


Additionally...while Javtokas does not have a decent outside shot...Duncan still does, and putting him out there opens up a of a lot for everyone else on the team.

How many bigs with an outside shot do we need? Only one on the court at a time.


I'd be with you on the Evans thing if only you were right about one aspect of Evans game...that he was any kind of a defensive player outside of his rebounding...he isn't. And he's a bonehead on top of it.

I think there are better alternatives than Evans for the small big you seek...I want it to be a SF that plays in the PF slot for our small ball linep...just like Dirk, Diaw and Marion are.

Ariza, my first choice for that role, also doesn't have an outside shot...so no double standard slick. I just think you've convinced yourself Evans is a lot more than he actually is...he's not a good defensive player, and his offensive game is nil.

[Kori Ellis]

Did LJ ever say that Evans was a good defender? I doubt it.

Anyway, Javtokas is cheaper than Evans, so I'll take it.

Neither one of them are that athletic forward that I think the Spurs need but they will fill the role of a decent bigman.

[whottt]

Did LJ ever say that Evans was a good defender? I doubt it..

TimVP has drawn parallels between about to be 26 Evans and about to be 26 Wallace...thinking we can strike some Ben Wallace lightning with Evans.

There's just one problem...Wallace was a good defensive player, and was a shotblocker and ball thief, prior to turning 26...he was just incredibly bad on offense. Evans is every bit as bad offensively and he can't block shots, steal the ball, or defend just about every position on the court as Wallace could. Plus, he's a bonehead..and the worst part of Evans D is his perimeter D.

TimVP wants to gamble and get lucky...I don't think that's necessary. It's not like we have to get a SuperStar. The skill set we need is available.

And Reggie Evans is never going to be anything close to Ben Wallace on D.


I am not going to be outraged if we get Evans...he's just not going to be the solution that TimVP thinks he will be and I think there are others that can be, that we have an opportunity to get. Javtokas is going to be more of a solution for a traditional C than Evans is going to be for a small ball big.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't think that he compared them thinking that Evans will be a Ben Wallace type defender. He just used Wallace as the example because he didn't come into his own until late. He does not think at all that Evans will become BWallace. Just that Evans' rebounding will outweigh his deficiencies and that he could be a decent enough defender in the Spurs system. I agree with that. But I wouldn't pay him more thane $2M/year to find out.

[Kori Ellis]

Anyway, I would like Evans/Javtokas/athletic foward combo over Nazr/Rasho/Marks.

[whottt]

Ariza's a better option and still a possibility to sign...In spite of TimVP's selective CnP'ing...the Magic have said they won't give up cap space to resign Ariza. What makes that a beautiful statement? They have no capspace...this year, or next.


Ariza is obviously the choice here for his penetrating, and perimeter d ...yet sadly, I'm a better Dominican than TimVP . Have a better knuckle ball too

[picnroll]

For three years the Spurs have depended on Horry in 4th quarter crunch time. Is Javtokas going to change that? Will he be in at crunch time? Javtokas is a Nazr replacement, hopefully smarter and better on D, but at crunch time the Spurs will be dependent on Horry, hoping he can rejuvenat rathr than decline further unless they can get an upgraded for that crunch time big. Javtokas isn't that crunch time upgade I don't think.

[ChumpDumper]

Javtokas isn't that crunch time upgade I don't think.

Never touted as such. If you have a list of available championship-clutch three-point shooting power forwards, I'm all ears. Otherwise we have Horry for one more season, a Horry who knows why he wasn't played against Dallas. He'll do what he can to be in it again. Whether its enough remains to be seen.

[Solid D]

Here is a blog from interbasket.net where someone appears to be able to translate

http://forums.interbasket.net/archiv...php?t-468.html

View Full Version : Is it true? Is Javtokas signing with Spurs on July 12?


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jukimol06-05-2006, 11:11 AM
Someone please translate this news in English...

http://www.basketnews.lt/news-5234.html

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caaprius06-05-2006, 04:15 PM
well, it says that Javtokas is working on contract details with Spurs and on 12th of july, first day when official signings can be made, they will make it official.

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[strangeweather]

Ariza's a better option and still a possibility to sign...In spite of TimVP's selective CnP'ing...the Magic have said they won't give up cap space to resign Ariza. What makes that a beautiful statement? They have no capspace...this year, or next.

Do they need cap space/an exception to sign him, or do they have some rights to him?

[picnroll]

Never touted as such. If you have a list of available championship-clutch three-point shooting power forwards, I'm all ears. Otherwise we have Horry for one more season, a Horry who knows why he wasn't played against Dallas. He'll do what he can to be in it again. Whether its enough remains to be seen.

No one of Horry's pedigree but if you're saying Horry took a bit of the year off and didn't come in ready I might be tempted to go with the somewhat maligned Tim Thomas. At least that will gve you two guys, one of whom might be ready to go. Horry was a hero in 2005 but the failures of 2004 and 2006 have many of his fingerprints on them.

[ChumpDumper]

The fact that we have Horry is the reason Thomas didn't sign here.

[picnroll]

The way I understand we had an excellent chance until Kurt Thomas went out.

[whottt]

He's a RFA and the Magic want him back but have said said they won't go much over the minimum to re-sign him...and that they won't give up capspace. They are way over the cap this season and will be over it next season as well. He's a project at a non-need position for them...he can be had, for far less than the MLE IMO as some are speculating...possibly in the 2.5 - 3 million range, possibly less. It's also possible that they may be interested in working a trade with us for one of our overseas prospects that isn't ready for the NBA yet(this would be Sanikidze)..


The resistance to many Spurs fans on going after him is due to the lack of success of teams signing the RFA's of other teams historically....but the Magic don't have a whole lot of leverage here...they are seriously over the cap by 25-30 million or so and their primary goal is to clear cap space to lure talent to play with Howard, and not take a lux tax hit for a lottery team...SF is not a need for them. They don't want to have to use their MLE here...

[ChumpDumper]

Do they need cap space/an exception to sign him, or do they have some rights to him?

They should have Early Bird rights to him, and with Penny coming off the payroll they should have a decent amount of room under the tax threshold. Still remains to be seen how much they'd want to pay for an SF when they are loaded there. They have alot of options, much will depend on Grant Hill's health and what they do with him.

[Solid D]

http://www.basketnews.lt/player-1702.html

By the way, this Lithuanian site lists Robertas at 211 cm and 117 kg. Metric conversion is 6'11" (83.0707 inches) and 258 lbs. (257.94 lbs).

[whottt]

They should have Early Bird rights to him,

This is moot....they don't want to go over the cap here. MLE, E Bird Rights or otherwise. Magic are not looking to spend money this offseason.


If nothing else...Spurs should make him an offer for everything they aren't offering Scola....see what the Magic do.

[Buddy Holly]

How much very little on Viktor?

[ChumpDumper]

This is moot....they don't want to go over the cap here.

They're over the cap for next year as it is, and about $12 million under the tax threshold if the numbers stay flat.

There has also been news that Otis isn't crazy about the length of Hedo's deal, so what if he is dealt? What if Hill retires and insurance covers the $16 million he's owed next season?

I'm not against signing Ariza, I just don't think Orlando's failing to match is a slamdunk, even if we offered the LLE or Scola Scraps.

[ploto]

Javtokas is a Nazr replacement, hopefully smarter and better on D...

I totally agree and have said all along that Robertas is a cheaper, smarter, more athletic replacement for Nazr. He is a guy who will battle with the tough guys inside. But I hope people will be careful with the expectations just like "they" said Fabricio would be the starter this season. I have hopes for Robertas but it will take him some time to adjust. It takes most foreign players 2 years to adjust to the different game, the vastly different schedule of playing more games and having much fewer practices, the travel,...

[Solid D]

I totally agree and have said all along that Robertas is a cheaper, smarter, more athletic replacement for Nazr. He is a guy who will battle with the tough guys inside. But I hope people will be careful with the expectations just like "they" said Fabricio would be the starter this season. I have hopes for Robertas but it will take him some time to adjust. It takes most foreign players 2 years to adjust to the different game, the vastly different schedule of playing more games and having much fewer practices, the travel,...

True. I agee.

[Solid D]

I think a lot of us have been watching Robertas' status and storylines because - 1) yes he was one of the two Corey Hightower (Lakers) draft picks the Spurs picked up and 2) the accident and long, heart-rending recovery process that ensued has been fascinating and inspirational.

[whottt]

They're over the cap for next year as it is, and about $12 million under the tax threshold if the numbers stay flat.

They also won't have a starting 2 guard...non whatsoever...or any back up PFs or Cs, shooting...none of those things. Nor is Ariza the fix for any of those things.

There has also been news that Otis isn't crazy about the length of Hedo's deal, so what if he is dealt? What if Hill retires and insurance covers the $16 million he's owed next season?

Well if he's not crazy about Hedo he's certainly not going to be doling out for his lesser talented and developed back up that has no discernible J...

I could have sworn I already read somewhere that Grant Hill is going to try to come back again...and next year is the last year on his deal. Don't see it being in Grant's best interest to retire next year under any cir stances. And it's always about Grant's best interest, isn't it?

It's not like Hill's ever lost any sleep over royally ass ing the Magic for the past 6 years....I see no reason for him to change now.

I'm not against signing Ariza, I just don't think Orlando's failing to match is a slamdunk, even if we offered the LLE or Scola Scraps.

Orlando has a young core they are going to need to resi, they've got some draft picks they are going to have to pay for, they have no depth at PF and C and 2 guard, no shooting, and after next year...no 2 guard period.

That tax margin isn't that big.

Exactly how much are they willing to pay here?

For what? Why? Why is Ariza someone they are going to give up cap space for?

What is their greatest need?

Other than for Grant Hill to off?

Like I said earlier...how much are they going to pay for 3 SF's, none of which truly fill their need? With the one you claim they are unhappy with doing the best job at a relatively cheap price....


Look...either they are rebuilding or trying to win now...they are over the cap. If they are rebuilding they are trying to get under it...if they are trying to win now, they've got bigger needs than a guy that could barely get on the court for them this season...


Ariza is not that good...he's not worth ing up their cap reclamation project for, he's not a win now player(for them)...and he's not as good as Hedo.