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2,336,140 - Dallas
1,522,960 - Miami
1,936,350 - Detroit (qualifier -- this is the 2005-06 number)
760,410 - San Antonio (same qualifier)
at least the got rid of al michaels
2,336,140 - Dallas
1,522,960 - Miami
1,936,350 - Detroit (qualifier -- this is the 2005-06 number)
760,410 - San Antonio (same qualifier)
The Rio Grande Valley is an extension of support for the Spurs. With an additional population over 1 million the market should be much larger.
Why do people bother with these arguments? Are Dallas and Miami surrounded by salt desert?
I'm guessing Game 4 will have higher ratings now... especially with all the Wade loving going on.
they should have brought back will smith to perform "miami" in miami. i stll don't know why he performed last year before the first game of the finals.
Nope, those were DMA numbers, which includes most of the RGV for SA, the entire east coast of south florida for Miami (but not the west coast), etc.
It does include Austin, Victoria, or Corpus Christi DMAs in the SA numbers.
If you want to restrict it to METRO only, SA takes the biggest hit, dropping to about 450k TV homes, since our DMA is the least urbanized of the 4.
It was a bad point to begin with since the RGV is included in the SA numbers. NBA also doesn't do regional marketting very well, so really anything outside of the home METRO is not all that important when looking at these numbers.
Of course the vast majority of Dallas, Detroit, and Miami DMA's are highly urbanized (in terms of population), while only a little over half of SA's is.
If you're talking about the numbers I posted, your statement is incorrect. I got my numbers from a listing of 220 or so television markets across the country. That list differentiates San Antonio from Austin, the Valley, and Corpus Christi -- those are 4 distinct television markets on the list. The San Antonio number isn't necessarily San Antonio metro, but it's basically Bexar and the immediately adjacent counties.
Here's a link to the Nielsen list.
If you scan the list Austin is the 53rd market (589,360 television homes); the Valley is 92nd (318,800); and Corpus Christi is 129th (192,380). They are, however, all distinct and separate markets from San Antonio.
The Miami number is Miami + Fort Lauderdale.
Sorry, misstatement. I meant "does not", and forgot to type in the "not".
A lot of the "market" that people from SA claims is different DMA's. SA, Austin, Laredo, Victoria, Corpus, and sometimes Brownsville are all claimed often by SA people, even though the relevance of them is quite debateable.
The SA television market is huge, space wise, and includes much of the rio grande valley. From the Pecos to the Laredo area, anyway.
Here's the DMA map: http://www.truckads.com/licensed_affiliates1.asp
And the current DMA sizes: http://www.nielsenmedia.com/DMAs.html
As of 2003, SA Metro only had about 430k household units in it, hence my estimate of no more than 450k TV homes in the metro itself.
Aah, there's some of the confusion. You're taking the RGV to be the entire border, whereas a lot of people consider the term RGV to refer to just the McAllen-Harlingen-Brownsville metropolitan area.
Billboards on trucks <> televisions.
Seriously -- TruckAds?
The ratings are important in relation to advertisers. Advertisers will pay more money for higher ratings. And if the advertisers are paying the network more money to advertise, the networks will be willing to pay more money to the league for broadcast rights. That's the only reason they matter. So they're a big deal to the people at ABC and Stern. For fans to use them in arguments is quite stupid. It doesn't mean better basketball was played or that the games were more interesting.
As for the current ratings being up 17%. It is mainly due to the fact that the 2 cities playing have a bigger market. The ratings since Jordan retired have been in about the 6-10% range. Granted, some where a couple points higher than others, but either way, thats still a pretty horrible rating. The only people watching the Finals nowadays are the hardcore fans who watch everything, and the fans of the 2 teams. That's the reason the #s only jump up or down a little bit. The casual fan just isn't watching, not this series, and not last years. The only hope for a casual fan watching was last year's game 7 because that's what casual fans like to watch, but even then I'm sure the ratings were nowhere near what they would have been if ABC didn't suck.
BTW another important thing to consider in ratings talk is the share. Does anyone know that for the 2 games?
Just to clarify for everyone, the RGV only includes Starr, Hidalgo, Willacy, Cameron county. Laredo is in Webb county. It's not in the valley, not even right next to the valley. If you wish to include Laredo, you can use the 956 area code as your validation and say that the Spurs market includes people living in the 956 area, but that is all. People from Laredo do not wish to be told they're from the valley, and people in the valley don't claim Laredo as part of them.
I'm perfectly aware of that. I have no idea why fans throw ratings at one another in arguments, though. Unless your argument is that ratings should dictate which teams will compete for les -- an argument that strikes me as completely ridiculous -- ratings have absolutely nothing to do with what takes place on the court, which is what ultimately matters to fans.
As for the rest of your points, I think my previous posts will demonstrate that we agree.
I haven't watched 5 minutes of this series.I hoped that it would be a sweep either way.
I wanted Stern's rigged finals to be a flop so that MAYBE teams that earn their way to the finals will get there. I hoped that he had learned his lesson in 2004 with the 5 game sweep of his beloved Lakers, but I guess not. Isn't it ironic that the Mavs only shot 50 free throws against us? Has Dirk suddenly become an average player now and not a superstar? All of the other playoff series had a relatively normal amount of free throws between the two teams (50-60). Coincidence.............I think NOT!!!!!
Who cares about the ratings? I just want this series....OVER!!!!!
It's the same map, and it's the only free one I've ever found.
Yeah, I space on that a lot.
So, if that's true, our area doesn't include most of the areas you claimed, and Laredo adds all of 64,000 TVs, if it's in the area at all.
The area is huge, but most of it is very sparesly populated.
Did you read my following posts? I spaced out on the definition of RGV, and I missed typing 'not' in there on the austin, victoria, corpus bit.
My point was supposed to be that the SA DMA is huge area wise, small population wise, and the population is more spread out that the other 3 areas mentioned.
I just ed up when I was saying it. My bad.
Obviously not.Did you read my following posts?
I've just found myself often having to explain just how small a tv market San Antonio is.
Oh yeah. Like I said, SA Metro itself is only about 60% of the DMA, while DFW is like 80% of its, Miami-Ft.L is around 90% of its, etc.Obviously not.
I've just found myself often having to explain just how small a tv market San Antonio is.
The SA DMA in general has an insanely low TV Households number when compared to population in the region. It's really weird.
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