Manu Flop and Don't let ur sons be Spurs fan?

[LEONARD]

1. Hook on Bowen
2. Manu went up for the layup an Dirk pulled him from behind backward grabbing Manu's right shoulder.
3. Came over the back of Duncan hitting Duncan on the top of the head with his arm on the putback attempt.

Don't believe me watch a replay.

I've watched several times...

1. Lame...like they'd ever call that, especially at that time.
2. Didn't see a foul by anyone on Manu.
3. Had Duncan caught the ball cleanly and gone right back up, he might've gotten the call. Way too much fumbling around / chaos to get a call...

hahhahahha! u mavs fan must simply admit that manu is the ruling over you..hahhaha!

kalikot_boy_kr = picnroll

[Trainwreck2100]

I've watched several times...

1. Lame...like they'd ever call that, especially at that time.

And that's different than the touch foul in gamefour because?

[picnroll]

I've watched several times...


2. Didn't see a foul by anyone on Manu.




kalikot_boy_kr = picnroll

Let me help you. Look for Manu in the air on the left side trying to put a shot in off the glass over Diop. Look for Dirk behind Manu. Look for Dirk's right arm reaching out and his hand grabbing Manu's shoulder from behind pulling Manu backwards. I can't make it any simpler than that for you troll boy.

They were missed, blown, overlooked but they were all fouls by the book.

[DarrinS]

Ginobilli isn't even in the top 10 of "floppers"


Rank Team Player Off.Fouls Drawn
1 PHO Bell 76
2 CHI Nocioni 67
3 MIL Bogut 65
4 UTA Collins 63
5 GSW Dunleavy 63
6 DET B.Wallace 50
7 NJN Krstic 50
8 GSW Fisher 49
9 NOK Mason 49
10 MEM Battier 48
11 SAS Ginobili 48
12 TOR Peterson 48
13 CHI Hinrich 46
14 PHI Iverson 44
15 TOR Bosh 43
16 WAS Daniels 41
17 NJN Collins 39
18 SAS Bowen 39
19 NOK Claxton 38
20 WAS Haywood 36

[LEONARD]

And that's different than the touch foul in gamefour because?

Hack on the arm does not = a "touch foul"...

Let me help you. Look for Manu in the air on the left side trying to put a shot in off the glass over Diop. Look for Dirk behind Manu. Look for Dirk's right arm reaching out and his hand grabbing Manu's shoulder from behind pulling Manu backwards. I can't make it any simpler than that for you troll boy.

They were missed, blown, overlooked but they were all fouls by the book.

LOL...you're the first I've heard saying that Dirk grabbed his shoulder and pulled him back. First I've heard about the infamous hook too...

Sorry, didn't see it in the replays I saw. Must've been a bad angle...maybe you can link me to an angle that shows Dirk clearly grabbing his shoulder and pulling him back???

[DarrinS]

Hack on the arm does not = a "touch foul"...



LOL...you're the first I've heard saying that Dirk grabbed his shoulder and pulled him back. First I've heard about the infamous hook too...

Sorry, didn't see it in the replays I saw. Must've been a bad angle...maybe you can link me to an angle that shows Dirk clearly grabbing his shoulder and pulling him back???

Actually, Dirk appears to foul both Ginobilli AND Duncan on the last posession, but who gives a crap? We shouldn't have even been in a position to have to make a last second shot.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Ginobilli isn't even in the top 10 of "floppers"


Rank Team Player Off.Fouls Drawn
1 PHO Bell 76
2 CHI Nocioni 67
3 MIL Bogut 65
4 UTA Collins 63
5 GSW Dunleavy 63
6 DET B.Wallace 50
7 NJN Krstic 50
8 GSW Fisher 49
9 NOK Mason 49
10 MEM Battier 48
11 SAS Ginobili 48
12 TOR Peterson 48
13 CHI Hinrich 46
14 PHI Iverson 44
15 TOR Bosh 43
16 WAS Daniels 41
17 NJN Collins 39
18 SAS Bowen 39
19 NOK Claxton 38
20 WAS Haywood 36

Why did you have to do this to mav fans..


ok now I will brace myself for the "mavs are WCF" champions onslaught

[Shank]

Required reading for picnroll...

[Shank]

Why did you have to do this to mav fans..


ok now I will brace myself for the "mavs are WCF" champions onslaught

Those stats do nothing to negate the perception. You really think anyone is calling out ing Krstic for being a flopper?

[LEONARD]

Actually, Dirk appears to foul both Ginobilli AND Duncan on the last posession, but who gives a crap? We shouldn't have even been in a position to have to make a last second shot.

A lot of things "appeared to" happen in the eyes of Spurs fans...it's a natural thing that happens when your team loses...

Why did you have to do this to mav fans..

ok now I will brace myself for the "mavs are WCF" champions onslaught

Drawing charges is not the only criteria for being a flopper...

[Kori Ellis]

Spurs fans who can't admit Manu is one of the biggest floppers in the league are hysterical. Do you watch him play? It's not a criticism.

[td4mvp21]

I think one of the reasons Dirk gets a lot of fouls is because the Mavs ALWAYS ALWAYS run pick n rolls and Dirk's defender gets matched up with a guard (which isn't a big deal if your the Spurs ) and a smaller defender guards Dirk and ends up fouling when trying to defend. It happens everytime.

[LEONARD]

Spurs fans who can't admit Manu is one of the biggest floppers in the league are hysterical. Do you watch him play? It's not a criticism.

I think one of the reasons Dirk gets a lot of fouls is because the Mavs ALWAYS ALWAYS run pick n rolls and Dirk's defender gets matched up with a guard (which isn't a big deal if your the Spurs ) and a smaller defender guards Dirk and ends up fouling when trying to defend. It happens everytime.

Please don't infiltrate this thread with sound thoughts and logic...

[BigD1]

Just shows you what a classless organization the Dallas Mavericks really are. This is just evidence that it starts at the top and trickles all the way down. From this stupid , to Jason Terry punching below the belt.

I guess Cuban is just trying to say, if you grow up to be a Mavfan you'll be a ing prick. Just like him. Cuban = awesome role model for children.

Yeah, and Horry's "ear bitin' ass" is a perfect role model too right. Or how about Bowen's "kickin' people in the back ass". Or how about the SA fans who cussed and verbally harrassed Cuban's pregnant wife at the AT&T. Or how about the several photo work shops created on this forum suggesting that Dirk and Nash are booty buddies. Trust me guys, there are rotten fans in every city, on every forum, for every team.
In Cuban's defense, several SA fans called in the radio station and fired at Cuban about his player's, his organization, and the city of Dallas. Cuban responded diligently at first, but decided to fire back after several abusive, harsh and demeaning comments. And all he said was,"I hope we kick their butts all the way back to that dirty muddy water they call the RiverWalk". Get over it. That comment was corny and dorky just like Cuban is. Why is that so offensive. But anyway, Cuban is just the owner with a colorful personality. Who gives a what he says, really.
U guys need to get over that series. It's done and over with. Y'all have been the epitomy of Success and Class in Texas for a long time. Now it's time for another Texas team to do the same. Nothin wrong with that. U guys will still be one of the teams to beat next year. Quit being so in bitter. Have a nice day.

[DarrinS]

Spurs fans who can't admit Manu is one of the biggest floppers in the league are hysterical. Do you watch him play? It's not a criticism.

Ofcourse he does. He's a smart player. But it's no different than Dirk getting grazed on his wrist while taking a jump shot and reacting like a cattle prod was shot up his rear. Dirk is a smart player too.

The only difference is, one is on the offensive side and one is on the defensive side. I guess on the offensive side it would be called "flailing".

Another one of my favorites is when a perimeter shooter waits for a defender to get into the air and then leaps into the defender. I believe JET did this during game 5 to foul out Manu. Dallas has this down to a fine art, as witnessed by several "rare" four point plays against Miami.

[Shank]

This thread sucks balls. We're getting into the same old that's been thrown back and forth for almost a month now.

[LEONARD]

Ofcourse he does. He's a smart player. But it's no different than Dirk getting grazed on his wrist while taking a jump shot and reacting like a cattle prod was shot up his rear. Dirk is a smart player too.

The only difference is, one is on the offensive side and one is on the defensive side. I guess on the offensive side it would be called "flailing".

Another one of my favorites is when a perimeter shooter waits for a defender to get into the air and then leaps into the defender. I believe JET did this during game 5 to foul out Manu. Dallas has this down to a fine art, as witnessed by several "rare" four point plays against Miami.

WTF??

Both of those 4 pt plays were due to the defender running over the shooter AFTER the shot. It had NOTHING to do with kicking out a leg or leaning in to the defender. It was BAD DEFENSE.

Waiting for a defender to get in the air and then going thru with your normal shot (or leaning a little) is smart basketball and BAD defense. Doing that and hitting a 3 pointer is TOUGH and NOT what the Mavs did on either play. What are you talking about???

What I have a problem with is when a shooter kicks out a leg (ie, Reggie Miller) to draw contact, which I'm pretty sure I recall Manu doing in the Mavs series.

And Dirk certainly doesn't act like he gets hit with a cattle prod after getting hit on the arm on a jumpshot....what are you talking about?? Again, that's bad defense and should be called EVERY time...

[ChumpDumper]

This thread sucks balls. We're getting into the same old that's been thrown back and forth for almost a month now.

[DarrinS]

WTF??

Both of those 4 pt plays were due to the defender running over the shooter AFTER the shot. It had NOTHING to do with kicking out a leg or leaning in to the defender. It was BAD DEFENSE.

I may be wrong about those specific 4 point plays. I was only watching out of the corner of my eye. It's not exactly watchable basketball.

And Dirk certainly doesn't act like he gets hit with a cattle prod after getting hit on the arm on a jumpshot....what are you talking about?? Again, that's bad defense and should be called EVERY time...

Ok, maybe not a cattle prod. Taser gun?

[~Sweetmelody~]

I am actually proud of Manu, Dallas Respects him that much- they made a video of him! Go Manu!

Spurs fans who can't admit Manu is one of the biggest floppers in the league are hysterical. Do you watch him play? It's not a criticism.

He does not flop! He just err..... well he gets pushed around....yup
That's my story.

Actually, he is sooooo good, you can't tell if he is or isn't or at least I can't

[LEONARD]

I may be wrong about those specific 4 point plays. I was only watching out of the corner of my eye. It's not exactly watchable basketball.

Ok, maybe not a cattle prod. Taser gun?

I see...so you're making claims about about something you didn't even watch...

and now you're bagging on the quality of the finals since your team is out. Sweet...

I do agree that both games have been sloppy, but it's certainly watchable, especially as a Mavs fan

[Mavs_man_41]

Ginobilli isn't even in the top 10 of "floppers"


Rank Team Player Off.Fouls Drawn
1 PHO Bell 76
2 CHI Nocioni 67
3 MIL Bogut 65
4 UTA Collins 63
5 GSW Dunleavy 63
6 DET B.Wallace 50
7 NJN Krstic 50
8 GSW Fisher 49
9 NOK Mason 49
10 MEM Battier 48
11 SAS Ginobili 48
12 TOR Peterson 48
13 CHI Hinrich 46
14 PHI Iverson 44
15 TOR Bosh 43
16 WAS Daniels 41
17 NJN Collins 39
18 SAS Bowen 39
19 NOK Claxton 38
20 WAS Haywood 36

Hey re Ginobili is in the top 10, he's tied for #10 with battier.

[Kori Ellis]

Drawing Charges doesn't exactly equal Flopping.

Manu is at least in the top 3 floppers.

[FromWayDowntown]

I am actually proud of Manu, Dallas Respects him that much- they made a video of him! Go Manu!

Sitting in the AAC during Game 3, that's exactly what I said to my companions -- you have to be awfully good to get another franchise to make video clips dedicated to you.

[ace3g]

I love how mav fans are still ignorant and cant except the truth,

1. Dirk flops, flails just as much as manu does

2. Dirk can have games where he shoots more free throws then the entire other team(especially odd for a 82 % jumpshooter)

3. Couldnt see the 2 fouls at the end of game 7(dirk fouling manu after the layup attempt and one by dirk on Duncans putback), just because they won the game and choose not to "see" those fouls even when they are clear on the replay (just because a ref doesnt call it doesnt mean it wasnt a foul)

4. Yes you won the series but you didnt dominate the spurs

5. "Hack on the arm does not = a "touch foul"..."? so what does that mean a player such as dirk can get away with a hack but a "touch foul" by manu will be called, I guess ignorance is the best blindness when you win a playoff series

6. showing pictures of the dirk layup doesnt prove anything, that didnt decide the game

7. Spurs will be back in '07 they still have their core together (I'll laugh if the mavs lose Terry to Free Agency)