Ditto Kori....we were thinking the same thing.
I'm starting to understand why so many in this forum have habitually ed about Holt being a tight ass. Perhaps this is also one of the reasons they've fallen so much in love with foreign players - they can stash them away for a couple of years, then pay them peanuts.
I actually don't think it's being cheap to worry about the money situation in 2010. They want to be perpetual contenders and the only way to do that when Tim and Manu are done is to sign a big player or two.
That being said, I really think that if a player they REALLY wanted needed a 5year/MLE contract this summer they'd do it. They just haven't liked anyone enough .. yet.
Well, thats one of the reasons why the Spurs have tried so hard to trade out of the first round this past couple of seasons.....they don't like to pay guaranteed money.I'm starting to understand why so many in this forum have habitually ed about Holt being a tight ass. Perhaps this is also one of the reasons they've fallen so much in love with foreign players - they can stash them away for a couple of years, then pay them peanuts.
Also, with second round picks....you usually adjust their pay to whatever you like....and with most Euro's all they end up getting is around 1.5 million....like Ginobili did...and what Javtokas willl end up getting....which is not bad deals in favor of the Spurs. And even at that, once those deals expire...they still manage to get bargains...ala....Manu....52 or 54 Million...over 6 years I think....not bad at all.
Spurs are a really cheap team, but then again, we don't have an owner like Dolan or Cuban....I can appreciate the three les we have.
Agree Mags. I'm glad they've been salary conscious but they've made their share of mistakes too that they later rectified (Rasho, Malik).
Having said that it's frustrating when the team needs talent help, targets an identified player that fills an apparent need yet are unable to land him.
That being said, I really think that if a player they REALLY wanted needed a 5year/MLE contract this summer they'd do it. They just haven't liked anyone enough
Precisely.
Name one player in the FA market worth 5 years full MLE.
Thanks.
The latest on Jeffries:
http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20...5734-4704r.htm
Negotiations between the Washington Wizards and restricted free agent Jared Jeffries have reached an impasse and no new negotiations are scheduled, according to Jeffries' agent.
"I would characterize the talks as both sides making an effort, but as of today it looks as if those efforts have been futile," agent Andy Miller said yesterday.
'We have spoken frequently. Jared likes Washington and the role that he has carved out there. The problem is because he is selfless and sacrifices for everyone on the team and does the intangibles, it's unfortunate but the role seems to be one not as valued as much as he would like."
Jeffries' worth to the team is the apparent sticking point. The Wizards' position appears to be that while Jeffries played an important role -- one in which he started 77 games and averaged 6.4 points and 4.9 rebounds -- they have no intentions of overpaying him. As a restricted free agent the Wizards can match any offer Jeffries receives.
The Wizards, at least for now, don't appear to be interested in doing a sign-and-trade, despite that fact that Philadelphia and Phoenix are believed to have approached the Wizards, who already have tendered Jeffries the required one-year qualifying offer.
Miller's position is that Jeffries' value to the Wizards is higher than what it is for other teams because he knows the system well. The 6-foot-11 Jeffries played all five positions last season.
"He wants to do something that he will be happy with over the next five years," Miller said.
Drew Gooden.Precisely.
Name one player in the FA market worth 5 years full MLE.
Thanks.
So it seems like Jeffries is available... 5 years for 18 mio would be fair but it won't be enough I guess...
Thats all that needs to be said. he wants a 5 year deal and he wont get it here. Let it go, we arent getting Jeffries.
I hope it's not enough. He's well overrated in this forum.
he's the longest three available, and has all the tools to become a great defender. how is that overrated? dude is capable of playing great, he carried indiana into the final four championship game. given the right situation, he could be great. we don't need him to be an offensive star.
Jeffries was doing a good job on Lebron last playoffs until the refs took a note of that and started to bail Lebronze out.
I was at IU during that run, which had as much to do with Coverdale and Dane Fife as anything. Miracle run. We thought he came out too early and given his stunted development, we might have been right.
He's not bad, but throwing a full MLE at him is a mistake. His defense is wildly overrated here.
Read through the whole thread.
i did. your point?
You think about 3,5 mio a year would still be too much?
You didn't find anything interesting at all? OK that's fine it's all been stated before from his scouting report, to his overrated defense, to his completely terrible offensive skills if you want to ignore all that stuff and raise the same questions people tried to answer on pages 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 that's great. Make people answer the same questions 5x over maybe they'll get tired, stop answering, and you can convince yourself you "won" or whatever.
i'm just shocked the supreme regurgitator of this forum would deem to question someone saying something that may have been said before.
Nope. Sounds good.
i was just stating i don't think he's overrated. if he was people would be putting down much larger offers for him, and that's not happening.
That's fine everybody should pretty much know what the people like myself who don't like him think and what the people who like him like you think that's all. The arguments for and against him have been made pretty clear.
i was responding to a specific post by someone who was not yourself. like most people who saw your tastless immature post about peter gammons, i usually pass over anything you post. mr. body was obviously more familiar with IU's le run than me, and i appreciated his comments in response to my post.
The Gammons thing is completely irrelevant. If you want to take this to the troll forum we can do it. Questions about Jeffries weaknesses are not going to be answered by bringing up baseball.
i had no questions about jeffries' weaknesses, he is capable of good defense and his offense is not needed. the fact that you posted something like that about someone who had a stroke shows what kind of person you are, no troll forum needed.
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