Me. Seriously... Me.
Just imagine Tim going to the Mavs in the offseason. That's what this feels like.
I still can't believe it. Even if he pissed me off this last year, I can't fathom him on another team. 60 million? Are the Bulls high or just stupid?
Well... I'm getting ing trashed tonight
Yeah..Me. Seriously... Me.
Just imagine Tim going to the Mavs in the offseason. That's what this feels like.
I still can't believe it. Even if he pissed me off this last year, I can't fathom him on another team. 60 million? Are the Bulls high or just stupid?
Well... I'm getting ing trashed tonight
I'll be AMAZED if there's any team chemistry as good as it has been with Ben there..
If the Bulls improve... and the Pistons get worse..
Look for Ben to be the MVP next year..
Let's see..
Nene $10M per year
Ben $15M per year
Peja $13M per year
What do you think the Spurs can get for the MLE again??
exactly. so ed they are.
Well, Ben did nothing to help the chemistry this year. I do worry what Sheed might do though (Joe may see this now as well and move him).
And he won't be the MVP. This isn't 01-03 Ben Wallace we're talking about here. Unless he was tanking it here the last few years, I don't see how it's possible.
I guess Przyalphabetsoup for $5M isn't too bad compared to Nene getting double and Big Ben getting triple.
Sheed is going to tank it next season
The Pistons playoff run, Ben leaving, the groups run at history all gone like that. Sucks for Joe D. because he has to get the Pistons out of this while Bill davidson is being a cheap ass.
How bout you just ban him already. I'm surprised he's still here actually.
who is this guy? did he just turn up after the heat won the c'ship?
weak. At least ive been here talking trash through 2 1st rd exits
Man, I find myself warming up to the idea of Joel "blocks more than Rasho but is just as white" Pryzbilla
Agreed. But do not think for a minute that Bens ego was not as big if not bigger than any other member of the team. He lived for the accolades and personal glory as much as he sacrificed for the team.
I'd love to see more of a post game from this team.Wallace/Mcdyess rarely play any power post up offense. When they got the ball they are setting up for their turnaround jumper 90% of the time.
Hopefully Sheed rotating to the 5 now will make him become more of the post player that we know he can be if and when he wants to be.
Part of the reason that we lack any sense of a low post game is Ben. As great as he is grabbing rebounds, he has poor coordination in regards to catching passes and going for a shot. He also has no 'soft touch' at all. He is not a finisher around the bucket. He just throws ball up in the air near the basket ... drawing the foul ... and missing his free throws.
Yeah Chauncey tries to be a hero at times. Luckily he has shown a knack of knowing when to turn it on and usualy being able to do it.Billups gets over confident with his jumper and jacks them up time after time. He wants to live up to the name "Mr. Big Shot" Mr. Big shot time is never a lay-up. That has always been the case. Hamilton is a rhythm jump shooter. With a good defender on him, his ass is owned. That is truth. Prince - I like a lot. The problem is: he doesn't ever live up to his potential in the playoffs. He always seems to choke in during the game and especially in crucial situations. He was a bog surprise in his first playoff games, hitting three after three but it has been downhill from there.
Rip is a shooter. that's it. However, last year especially late in the year and in the playoffs, I noticed a huge improvement in his desire and ability to break his defender, and drive to the hole. More improvement is needed, but it was still good to see.
Prince can do a little bit of everything. He too often appears to be waiting for others to lead the show. He needs to lose the 'I'm the 3rd option' mentality, and bring it. Take what the defense is giving you and attack.
For three years the constant has been decline, decline, decline. not too mention more of a display of a poor at ude.The one constant has been Ben Wallace. When all those shots by the perimeter players have been jacked up, it is Ben cleaning up the mess to give his team another chance. Another chance = better percentage/chance to score = better chance to win.
Ben's game has tampered off a bit
His decline was especially noticable in the playoffs.
last year he averaged:
11.3 rebounds and 2.2 blocks while shooting 41% from the free throw line
in the playoffs he averaged:
10.5 rebounds and 1.2 blocks while shooting 27% from the free throw line
So much for stepping it up when it matters most!
And lets not forget against the Spurs, his wife had to call him out because he wasn't showing any effort in games 1 or 2.
In the short term I do agree though. Him being on the team does give us a better chance ... but it's the long run where it makes no sense. If the 60 million deal is to be believed, he'd be making more than 20 million a year, 3 years from now. Thats jsut damn crazy. That sounds like an Allan Houston contract to me.
No way. First Ben says his teamates are too geared for offense? but then says that he needs the ball more?but you can/must attribute that to:
Flip Saunders. It's delusional to think that there wasn't some turmoil in that pistons locker room. Wallace made it clear that Flip wasn't focusing on defense and that is why it showed on the court. It is my belief that Ben saw in his teammates that they were transformed into more of an offensive team and they weren't showing that type of D to make them successful. So Ben is basically saying, " it. I'm out.
Chauncey and other people who are at practices on a regular basis have already said long ago that Ben was flat out wrong. That they actually practiced and focused much more defense under Flip. Under LB defense was never pressed. The "players just went out there and did it"
But again I'll agree with you, and say that the defense while good, compared to most NBA teams, was definetly up to standards that we previously set for ourselves.
Top 5 sounds about right. We'll need to see what happens. But I like the teams experience against others in the playoffs.You better believe Ben will come out like a Bull heading into Chicago. Pun intended. His game will be rejuvenated. This move only makes Detroit a top 5 seed in the east. And no they are not in the top 3.
Seconded. He's far from perfect, but at least he can rebound and block.
Sooo......in hindsight, how bad does it hurt to have traded Darko?
You and me both brotha! Its still just the third day in FA. though.
white men can jump! and dunk! and block! and rebound!
As I said when it happened, we will live to regret trading him.
Joe's mistake was not in drafting him, but on giving up on him IMO.
Get Pryz!
Damn $60 million that makes more sense initially it was on ESPN.com at $52 million over 4. I didn't think Ben would leave for $1 million a year more but this makes much more sense. Damn. He got paid. Big Time.
Funny how Spurs fans keep lowering their standards.
Some good news. Pistons resigned Lindsey and he will work with Joe D. when he retires.
You'll know when their standards hit rock bottom when spurs fans want Rasho back
Look at how many people suddenly want to re-sign Nazr-- and that would be for 5 years instead of Rasho's 3.
well to be fair, the spurs won a championship with Nazr at center so that might have something to do with it, but i'd rather play Bonner at center.Look at how many people suddenly want to re-sign Nazr-- and that would be for 5 years instead of Rasho's 3.
Yeah that will be a hughe turnaround!!!
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