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Damn, you beat me to it.
You have one view.
Damn, you beat me to it.
1.)I have been critical of our front office because I have a serious fear that they are going to waste the final years of Duncan and it would kill me to see that
2.)I hated small ball and thought it was a re ed strategy
3.)I am excited about the intangables that Javtokas brings to the team
4.)I really want to see us land a heir for Bowen
5.)As much as I have pissed on management, I would take it over Isiah Thomas and many others in this league
I have views on many other things. I wont lie I am worried less on Duncan along with the other 2 guys from the trio best years being wasted and my fear of team implosion could be a reality. It pained me to watch the Mavs beat us last year with how that series went. I dont want superstar players, just want us to find some solid guys who will help this team get payback on the Mavs next season and bring the le back here. I vent and am frusterated because I am eager to have a good vibe for next season like it was for us in the summer of 2004 when we got all the right pieces in a hurry!
Last edited by shaggy17; 07-09-2006 at 06:28 PM.
Prove it.I have views on many other things.
Yeah, there's some people that agree with you. The difference is that they don't post the same thing 100 times in the same ing thread.
You made your point trying to use insulting cussing towards me. Nice le by the way because you obviously live up to the f-bomb king label . Believe it or not some people here actually do agree with my posts so you can stop the BS about that as well! Nice post though I got some good laughs reading your graphic description on my views of them are...ah good stuff
We get it, you hate the front office, you hate that we haven't done anything in a week of free agency.
You've made your point, so quit posting the same over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Hate is too strong of a word. I am frusterated and impatient with them. Your sig is something we actually agree on
Well said. I can't add anything further.
... and some people post 100 times a day that Pop is bad coach.
I'm sure the FO is just being spiteful and, deep down inside, is completely unwilling to do anything that might allow Tim Duncan to win another championship before he retires.
In fact, they've done just the opposite -- they've created flexibility that didn't exist before while bringing in at least one player who has a fighting chance to be productive in a playoff series against Dallas or Phoenix. Why isn't that progress?
Because the Rasho and Nazr who couldn't do a damned thing against Sacramento were suddenly going to find some secret recipe to get things done against a much, much better Mavericks team? If you really think that, I'll just stop paying attention to anything you write from here on out.
What intangibles are those. If Javtokas can be productive for 10-12 minutes per night and stay on the floor at playoff time, he's a plus. Anyone who expects more than that from him has unrealistic expectations, IMO. The FO has said he's a rotation guy at best. In some cases, rotation guys make a difference, but mostly that difference is not a big difference.
Should the FO just make one appear out of thin air? Should they overspend for players who don't have anything resembling the ability Bowen has on the off chance that such players might suddenly find whatever it is that Bowen has that makes him so great. I'd much rather that the FO take its time and make a reasonable decision in pursuing that need than flying off at the handle for the sake of getting something done and making a mistake.
That's marginally reasonable. A begrudging acceptance?
I don't think the FO has any intention to wasting the next few years. But I also don't think the FO has any desire to make rash moves that will end up being net negatives. There's no rule that says the Spurs will enter the 2007 playoffs with the team that starts the 2006-07 season. Even if they don't make a boatload of splashy moves this summer, they have the ability to make deals that might actually put them in better shape to win a le than the moves you'd like to see them make this summer. Patience is useful.
The Spurs had about 7 guys on the roster last season who could truly play at the level that Mavericks series demanded, in terms of athleticism. Right now, they might actually have 8 or 9, which is already an improvement. I don't understand the viewpoint that says that the Spurs needed a ridiculous amount of tinkering to be compe ive with Dallas -- they were ill-suited to beat Dallas in 2006 and still almost did it. They almost did it with a hobbled Duncan, an ailing Parker, and a Ginobili who never seemed to be himself all year long. They also had a glut of 2 guards and little help up front. The FO is remaking the roster slightly to change those things and, given the choices available, they've done fairly well. There's more to come and, I'm sure, it will prove to be helpful too. The Mavericks will be there and the Spurs will get their chance -- with a roster better suited to getting the job done.
If the Spurs had a major FA who is key to the team's success (like Ginobili or Bowen in 2004) they would have resigned him. They didn't have that this summer. If there was a FA who seemed fit exactly what the Spurs needed for the MLE (ala Barry in 2004), they would have done whatever it took to get him. Neither of those things was true this summer, though, so comparing it to 2004 is comparing apples and oranges.
I was on the front office's azz because I thought they were being slow to act. Turns out they were going after Zo. Now knowing that, it's obvious that we were just under a CIA spell there for about a week.
So when a lot of us were saying the Spurs need to start trying to make the team better, they actually were. Those saying the Spurs were fine status quo were actually the ones who had it wrong.
This article makes it look like the Spurs will fix the hole in the middle soon. I'm not sure who but it looks like we are going to see a two-year contract for a veteran or try to get a young big for cheap.
Either way, I'm thinking something happens soon.
I call that lowered standards. Now we are supposed to be overjoyed that they went after some guy who was never coming. Yippee! And that the Spurs will sign some cheap short-term deal-- which I said they were going to do two weeks ago.
I don't think it's really lowered standards. The Spurs are active and looking to spend money, which is better than what I believed to be happening. For a while it looked like they were just going to sit on the Rasho and Nazr savings.
Plan A, B and C were Ben Wallace, Joel Przybilla and Zo. Now we get to see what Plan D is. I'm sure going into the summer, the Spurs knew that all three of those signings were unlikely. Knowing how the Spurs work, they probably have a trade or a signing ready to go.
As far saying saying Rasho and Nazr would of been the ultimate balance of powers in that series, not even close. But I truly felt it would of done something positive and prevented layups etc but none of them are spurs anymore and that series is well over and done so its time to just go with it and move on. The intangibles I am thinking of is toughness and an enforcer on this team that even with Nazr and Rasho we truly lacked. Jav seems like a guy who will put you on your ass if you try to drive and his efforts are things I really like about the guy. If someone like Stackhouse or Terry gives a cheap shot to one of our guys I see Jav getting right in his face having that guys back. I dont expect Jav to be a blanace shifting impact but I expect him to give this team some fire and energy at times. He is in no way a star but I think he can be a solid role player with this team. That is my 2 cents on him. I also am shocked that we even went after ZO. That does show me the Spurs have something they are determined to fix and I wont lie it gives me some comfort knowing that.
So you would have preferred that they spend a lot of money over a long term contract for one of the schlubs that was available in this market?
Just curious.
No- I just want honesty. The Spurs are not going to spend the money they are saving- they need to quit pretending they are- by announcing low ball offers and attempts to go after players that were never coming. Trades are not to improve basketball-wise, but to lessen payroll,and players are not re-signed to decrease expenses. How does talking to Zo mean the Spurs were going to spend $$? As for some signing- it will be cheap- we know that.
You could be right but we'll see in the coming week. If the Spurs are going to make a splash, it'll be sometime before Friday.
If the Spurs pocket the money after lowballing Przybilla and going after an untouchable (Zo), that'd be a new low for the franchise.
For the time being, I have hope that they will start filling some needs.
I ask again -- what could they have reasonably spent money on to this point? Are you seriously bent that they didn't go in the tank for 5 years on Przybilla? Would you be happier if they dropped 5 years at the MLE on Jared Jeffries or some other player who won't get an offer anywhere near that amount?
I'm honestly curious -- who is on the market that warrants a 5 year offer at the full MLE to show that the Spurs aren't cheap?
Ok shag, who would you open up the wallet for, keeping min mind all we have is lle and mle and if trading is your answer who would you trade for and how. Calling a team cheap is a very simplistic i'm taking my ball and going home argument to make, but what is your solution and how do you get that player. Who was out there besides wallace that you would want. keeping in mind that you would have had to come up w/12-15 million dollars in cap space to acquire him and if it was a sign and trade who do you trade. This is your opportunity to prove just how cheap the spurs front office really is and one other small tidbit if they did manage to trade for wallce he's 32 and signed a five year cap busting deal. I am only using him as an example since he was the big prize this off season. I'll still keep the faith with pop and crew over the spurs are too cheap argument. They have the jewlry to back up their arguments.
Again- you are missing my point. I did not say the Spurs should run out and spend money. What I am saying is that they have no intention of spending the $ and are content with what they have. They traded Rasho- knowing Nazr wasn't staying- and knowing that they would not make a strong offer toward anyone. People kept wanting to believe that they had some big plan in place to replace the center but they really are OK with Oberto and Javtokas.
And again, you're missing his. The fact the Spurs spent the last couple of days courting Zo proves they ARE intent on spending the money.Again- you are missing my point. I did not say the Spurs should run out and spend money. What I am saying is that they have no intention of spending the $ and are content with what they have.
And I contend two things-
1. They knew he would not come and just want it to appear they have tried
2. How much were they offering him anyway?
A well-timed report that the Spurs tried to land Zo seems more PR than anything and made people quit talking about Scola.
it has to be a fiscal conspiracy. i can't believe the spurs front office doesn't tell everyone what they are trying to do when they are doing it.
Even though I've backed off of bashing the front office, when it's all said and done furry spurry could be right.
The next week should give the answer.
You say that, but we're dealing with a market that is much better suited to frugality than to wild spending. If the Spurs decision to not spend money like crazy this summer can be tied to the fact that there are no available players who are worth spending crazy money on, doesn't that justify their decision? Would you have preferred that they keep Rasho -- a player who demonstrated throughout the playoffs that he was not reasonably capable of playing at any useful level against athletic teams -- for the sole purpose of demonstrating that the front office isn't cheap?
I don't see how you deduce some evidence of frugality from reasonable behavior in a very weak player market. So you're right -- I don't understand your argument because it seems to make no sense in light of the existing facts. I'm quite sure that if there was a true difference-maker on the market who could be had for what the Spurs have to offer -- there isn't and hasn't been this summer -- the Spurs would make the move.
Who was talking about Scola except for Spurs junkies on early summer offseason binges? What percentage of fans know anything about him, much less his deal?
We'd forgive the org whatever they do - we don't need a P.R. campaign. Do we really think they orchestrate major communications to the city of San Antonio in order to placate the denizens of Spurstalk.
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