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Spurs > Kings. BFD. No one will remember either in 5 years. The public only remembers the NBA champion.Mavs>Spurs
Lions this year.
Spurs > Kings. BFD. No one will remember either in 5 years. The public only remembers the NBA champion.Mavs>Spurs
Last edited by Zunni; 08-28-2006 at 06:30 PM. Reason: mentally challenged Dallas Fans need assistance with content meaning.
and that was Dallas
Exactly. They'd never make the playoffs seven consecutive years.
Never said he was that great...but he was able to win more games than Marbury ever could with the Wolves. May not mean much, but it's gotta mean something.
And exactly how many times has Marbury advanced a team past round one? , how many times has he gotten a team into the playoffs period?
How totally ignorant of me...i base my opinions on those little bas s known as FACTS... ....
Not to mention the fact that I've never liked the guy's game to begin with. He's a short Antoine Walker...puts up numbers that appear to mean something, but when you watch him play an actual game, you see just how empty all his points and assists actually are...maybe one day when he gets humbled and realizes he isn't the star player that he thinks he is, he could possibly be a decent role player on a good team.
Oh hey how's his current gig in New York going? Hindsight?
Better than being a dumb masquerading as a guy with a clue about the NBA. Nobody's buying you either, BTW.
P.S. Looks like the Wolves are interested in getting "Antoine Walker minus 6 inches" back. I'm sure you're masturbating gleefully over the thought. I'd bet my life that the Wolves suck complete ass if they get him back....but then again, how would that be any different than what they currently are doing?
Last edited by monosylab1k; 08-28-2006 at 09:17 AM.
Everything he said is true. I would die if I saw Stephon Marbury in a Mavericks uniform. He is a team killer.
Pure point guard with a shooter's mentality?
Isn't that a combo guard? Farthest thing you can get away from a true point guard?
In last two years Dirk was better in my opinion, but if we look the carrer stats then I will say KG.
Last edited by Texas_Ranger; 08-29-2006 at 08:16 PM.
They did make the playoffs the two full seasons that Marbury played in Minnesota. They nearly upset the heavily favored Sonics in the 1st round before bowing out in five games.
Winning seasons are fine and the Wolves were solid, but I don't believe anyone associated with the NBA took the Wolves seriously as contenders for an NBA le during Brandon's reign in Minny.
While I can't argue this point you have made, I do have a legit question to pose for you. How many of those teams that Marbury went to after Minny had an all-star like Kevin Garnett playing beside him? Now you see, in Minnesota, he had that second player in Garnett. The reason you didn't see immediate success in Minnesota is that both players were barely out of their teens when they broke into the league together. How many young tandems like that are going to achieve immediate success right off the bat? Even Jordan and Pippen as well as Kobe and Shaq had to undergo the growing pains of playing together before reaching championship status. Perhaps it's silly of me to make these comparisons, but NBA championship teams are usually built around two star players, and the Wolves certainly had the building blocks in place for them to potentially get there.
You present a good argument here when you suggest that his points and assists are hollow. But, you have to realize that he is doing it in these venues with the misguided belief that he can be the #1 star on these teams. It's exactly the reason he wanted out of Minnesota in the first place-he did not want to play second fiddle to Kevin Garnett. He also wanted out because the new collective bargaining agreement wouldn't allow for him to make Garnett like money. In short, it was his overblown ego that ultimately led to his trade out of Minnesota. That being said, the Wolves had him playing as a true point guard, but it was something he did reluctantly due to the fact that he didn't want to be a second fiddle on the team. Look at his PPG per game while in Minny. During the 2.5 seasons he spent up north, his highest PPG average was 17.7, but the assists were well over 8.5 a game. He wasn't even the leading scorer on those Wolves teams during those years he spent in Minnesota. Tom Gugliotta and Kevin Garnett were. I honestly think that if Marbury could've accepted his role as second fiddle in Minnesota, him and Garnett could've achieved deep playoff success. I'm not saying championship success since the West was strong with great teams during that time, but definitely the potential was there where the Wolves weren't routinely knocked out in the 1st round due to the inferior talent they had during the post-Marbury years. Now I was a season ticket holder during that era and there were many games that stood out that convinced me that Marbury and Garnett could click at a high level. These 4 games were the ones that stand out the most as they were played versus solid teams from 1998-1999 before the trade:
http://www.basketballreference.com/t...9980407&tm=MIN
http://www.basketballreference.com/t...9980411&tm=MIN
http://www.basketballreference.com/t...9990217&tm=MIN
http://www.basketballreference.com/t...9990221&tm=MIN
Notice that in these games, that not only was Marbury getting his points, but he is actually tallying high assist totals, while a few other players (mainly Garnett) chipped in with high point totals of their own. There are many other games I didn't illustrate where he had high assist totals , but didn't even score over double digits in a few of those games by taking lesser shots. That's what I meant when I stated that the Wolves were trying to groom him as a true point guard, but at the same time having the capability to take over games with his scoring as well.
Fine by me. I don't claim to be an expert of the NBA, but I'd like to think that I have enough knowledge of the game to be able to contribute to threads. I don't expect anyone to agree with everything I say. What would be the fun in participating in a forum if everything was agreed upon? If calling me names makes you feel better, feel free. I've got a thick enough skin to take it.
Frankly, I wouldn't want Marbury back at this point. He burned too many bridges on his way out of Minnesota for me to accept him as a Timberwolve again. Now, all I was really intimating was an opinion based on what I saw from Garnett and Marbury as teammates in Minnesota. I honestly believed that Minnesota was Marbury's perfect opportunity for success as he would've had the second star to take pressure off of him and vice versa for KG. Frankly, it was his trade from Minnesota that caused his downward spiral as he had the belief that he should be a teams main star instead of a solid role playing star like he was in Minny. I think if he would have had his head screwed on straight and saw that, he and KG would've been a dynamic 1-2 punch that Wolves fans could've gotten excited about. I, along with many other Wolves fans can't help but wonder what might've been.
I apologize if this got lengthy, but I just needed to get my side of the story out. I don't even expect agreement from you over my opinions, I just needed to air them out.
Thanks for the debate!
Last edited by NBA Junkie; 08-30-2006 at 09:49 AM.
No problem. I just really never liked Marbury and still don't. He's a guy with all sorts of talent that pisses it all away with his selfish mentality, in my opinion. If Marbury was indeed a team player then I would readily agree with you that he and Garnett could have been an incredibly successful duo. But he's not at all a team player, and that was my whole point. And I don't mean to get into insulting people, but I perceived you taking a shot at me rather than debating about Marbury, etc., so I took a shot back at you. This is an internet forum so I figure it's all in fun and nothing is taken too seriously, which it wasn't, so it's all good. I'll look forward to a future debate. good times.
For the guy who said dirk will never make it to the finals or win again, i am pretty convinced you are going to be wrong.
That said i am still disappointed with dirk. Dirk has been no timmy for us. This year he was pretty good. I mean he can go for 50's quite a few times but i honestly wonder how much control he has over the game when he is not shooting so well. Atleast so far he has been a rhythm player.
He can rebound fairly well but not like ben wallace or a few others. He has improved his passing but since dallas has so many isolation plays assists as a statistic doesnt show a lot. Still he is not the best passer out there too.
he has improved his defense tries to contest but he is not physically as skilled as garnett there.
In comparison with KG, i would take KG over dirk if the team had a manu or even ray allen. KG was so hyped when he came into the league and his stats have backed the hype. However he is not been a natural leader and been very defferential. If his team mates are so piss poor what is KG doing racking up all these assist numbers?
I believe part of kg's problem was he never could be eased into a leader, there was no david or any senior guy to show him the ropes, to ease him into the limelight. As a result we are stuck with a powder blowing, tongue dropping, hand clapping man-child superstar. he works hard, plays defense, pads all the stats and usually puts up 23/12/5 and there will be a line saying--garnett scored his first 20 points in the 1st 3 quarters and he was 1/5 in the fourth as his teammates couldnt find him. Sportswriters are always kind to the people they hype up a lot cause they dont want to appear wrong do they?
No matter what lebron does, they will never diss him cause they hyped him. For his perceived worth dirk has overacheived and KG underachieved. I am sure dirk is improving and i want him to see him becoming a better floor leader, making his team mates better and a better defender.
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