ABC 911 Docudrama Short On Facts

[AFE7FATMAN]

I'll let it go as soon as the Repugs and right wing ers quit dumping it all on Clinton and lay most of the blame on dubya.

Now don't Let your little brain blow open but:

The Sept. 11 attack, planning began in the '90s,i.e — eight years of Bill Clinton

followed by eight months of President Bush.

and you wonder why most of the blame is on Bush= DFLiberal

[boutons_]

"eight months of President Bush"

Most of the activity, and esp the greatly increased "hijacked planes into buildlings" chatter was in the months on dubya's watch.

The 8-years vs 8-months is supposed to mean that Clinton wa 12 times more responsible than dubya?

As if the idea hatched in the 8th preceding year outside of the US was just as
imporant as the increasing crescendo of chatter in the last 2 months before 9/11?

Did the WH and NSA do ANYTHING about ANYTHING NatSec between Jan-Sep?

It is well do ented that Clinton's WH had been pre-occupied with al-Qaida and warned dubya's transtion team al-Quaida. Is there any indication that the dubya WH/NSA inherited this concern and ran with it?

[BIG IRISH]

"eight months of President Bush"

Most of the activity, and esp the greatly increased "hijacked planes into buildlings" chatter was in the months on dubya's watch.


As if the idea hatched in the 8th preceding year outside of the US was just as
imporant as the increasing crescendo of chatter in the last 2 months before 9/11?

It is well do ented that Clinton's WH had been pre-occupied with al-Qaida and warned dubya's transtion team al-Quaida. Is there any indication that the dubya WH/NSA inherited this concern and ran with it?

Islamic jihadists attacked America year after year throughout the Clinton administration. They did everything but blow up his proverbial "bridge to the 21st century." Every year but one, Clinton found an excuse not to fight back.

The first month Clinton was in office, Islamic terrorists with suspected links to al-Qaida and Saddam Hussein bombed the World Trade Center.

For the first time ever, a terrorist act against America was treated not as a matter of national security, but exclusively as a simple criminal offense. The individual bombers were tried in a criminal court. (The one plotter who got away fled to Iraq, that peaceful haven of kite-flying children until Bush invaded and turned it into a nation of dangerous lunatics.)

In 1995 and 1996, various branches of the Religion of Peace — al-Qaida, Hezbollah and the Iranian "Party of God" — staged car bomb attacks on American servicemen in Saudi Arabia, killing 24 members of our military in all. Each time, the Clinton administration came up with an excuse to do nothing.

Despite the Democrats' current claim that only the capture of Osama bin Laden will magically end terrorism forever, Clinton turned down Sudan's offer to hand us bin Laden in 1996. That year, Mohammed Atta proposed the 9/11 attack to bin Laden.

Clinton refused the handover of bin Laden because — he said in taped remarks on Feb. 15, 2002 — "(bin Laden) had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him."

Although Clinton made the criminal justice system the entire U.S. counterterrorism strategy, there was not even an indictment filed after the bombing of either Khobar Towers (1996) or the USS Cole (2000). Indictments were not filed until after Bush/Ashcroft came into office.

Only in 1998 did the Clinton-haters ("normal people") force Clinton into a military response. Solely because of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, Clinton finally lobbed a few bombs in the general direction of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.

In August 1998, three days after Clinton admitted to the nation that he did in fact have "sex with that woman," he bombed Afghanistan and Sudan, doing about as much damage as another Clinton fusillade did to a blue dress.

The day of Clinton's scheduled impeachment, Dec. 18, 1998, he bombed Iraq. This accomplished two things: (1) It delayed his impeachment for one day, and (2) it got a lot of Democrats on record about the monumental danger of Saddam Hussein and his weapons of mass destruction.

So don't tell me impeachment "distracted" Clinton from his aggressive pursuit of terrorists. He never would have bombed anyone if it weren't for the Clinton-haters.

As soon as Clinton was no longer "distracted" by impeachment, he went right back to doing nothing in response to terrorism. In October 2000, al-Qaida bombed the USS Cole, killing 17 sailors and nearly sinking the ship.

Clinton did nothing.

According to Rich Miniter, author of "Losing Bin Laden," Clinton's top national security advisers made the following classic Democrat excuses for doing nothing in response to the Cole attack:

— Attorney General Janet Reno "thought retaliation might violate international law and was therefore against it."

— CIA Director George Tenet "wanted more definitive proof that bin Laden was behind the attack, although he personally thought he was."

— Secretary of State Madeleine Albright "was concerned about the reaction of world opinion to a retaliation against Muslims and the impact it would have in the final days of the Clinton Middle East peace process."

(How did that turn out, by the way? Big success, I take it? Everybody over there all friendly with one another?)

— Secretary of Defense William Cohen "did not consider the Cole attack 'sufficient provocation' for a military retaliation."

This is only an abbreviated list of Clinton's surrender to Islamic savagery.

Less than a year after Clinton's final capitulation to Islamic terrorists, they staged the largest terrorist attack in history on U.S. soil.

Clinton's own campaign adviser on Iraq, Laurie Mylroie, says Clinton and his advisers are "most culpable" for the intelligence failure that allowed 9/11 to happen.

Now, after five years of no terrorist attacks in America, Democrats are hoping we'll forget the consequences of the Democrat strategy of doing nothing in response to terrorism and abandon the Bush policies, maybe not exactly legal, that have kept this nation safe since 9/11.
Credit to Ann Coulter for the abovehttp://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/welcome.cgi
How's that CD

The War in IRAQ, is not going well and You can Blame Bush and the Clinton Generals and the F UP military he left Bush With for that & don't forget Rummy the Dummy.

[ChumpDumper]

You need to credit the blog you are pasting.

[Mr. Peabody]

Clinton's top national security advisers made the following classic Democrat excuses for doing nothing in response to the Cole attack:

— CIA Director George Tenet "wanted more definitive proof that bin Laden was behind the attack, although he personally thought he was."

How is wanting definitive proof and not acting merely on your personal beliefs a classic Democratic excuse? I think it is a perfectly reasonable approach to take before lives are put in danger. Had GW and his administration taken the same approach....

[boutons_]

Big leprechaun, I'm waiting:

"Did the WH and NSA do ANYTHING about ANYTHING NatSec between Jan-Sep 2001?"


the right-wing/Repug slime-attack machine ALWAYS slimes, especially when can offer OFFER no defense of Repug guilt and incompetence.

We see the sliming in the current election, Repugs sliming Dem candidates since Repug cannot associate themselves with the national issues mishandled by the WH, eg, phony, disastrous war.

Big leprechaun, I'm waiting ...

[xrayzebra]

Been awhile since I posted on here, but just cant standby and watch a bunch of
simple minded idiots make dumb ass statements.

In the first place, I have no use for people like the twerps boutons and Nbadan and
sundry others who would watch their country go down in defeat to their cheers and
who support the rights of terrorist over the rights and security of American citizens.

What part of "the terrorist want to kill us" don't you understand? You cannot
bargain with them, you cannot negotiate with them and you certainly cant live
with them. Ask the people of Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan and other countries. You
people are as dumb as door knobs or completely unAmerican, I choose the later.

The 9/11 commission was peppered with Clinton people, even the lady who
established the wall between the CIA and FBI. You want to call all conservatives
right wing zealots and other cute names. How bout just calling us what we are
Americans who support our country and citizens. We supported Clinton in what
little effort he put into the Criminal war on terror. Most people had never
heard of UBL until after the second bombing of the WTC. He had every chance
in the world to bring this man to justice, but didn't. Now you idiots want to
bash our President for waging a war on terror and attempting to protect your
sorry rearend.

You people are pathetic and keep underestimating the American public. We are
not to village idiots you perceive, you are!

[George Gervin's Afro]

Been awhile since I posted on here, but just cant standby and watch a bunch of
simple minded idiots make dumb ass statements.

In the first place, I have no use for people like the twerps boutons and Nbadan and
sundry others who would watch their country go down in defeat to their cheers and
who support the rights of terrorist over the rights and security of American citizens.

What part of "the terrorist want to kill us" don't you understand? You cannot
bargain with them, you cannot negotiate with them and you certainly cant live
with them. Ask the people of Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan and other countries. You
people are as dumb as door knobs or completely unAmerican, I choose the later.

The 9/11 commission was peppered with Clinton people, even the lady who
established the wall between the CIA and FBI. You want to call all conservatives
right wing zealots and other cute names. How bout just calling us what we are
Americans who support our country and citizens. We supported Clinton in what
little effort he put into the Criminal war on terror. Most people had never
heard of UBL until after the second bombing of the WTC. He had every chance
in the world to bring this man to justice, but didn't. Now you idiots want to
bash our President for waging a war on terror and attempting to protect your
sorry rearend.

You people are pathetic and keep underestimating the American public. We are
not to village idiots you perceive, you are!

Sorry but since roughly 10 % of the 2 billion Muslims worldwide are fanatics is your solution to kill 200 million people? Every time I bring this up not one republican ever answers.. Bush and company have admitted we can't kill them all so what is the next step in the "stay the course" strategy.




Concerning the 'wall':

Former Sen. Slade Gorton [R-WA], a 9-11 Commission member, specifically addressed and debunked the theory that Gorelick's memo prevented such intelligence-sharing in an August 18, 2005, letter to the editor in The Washington Times:

The one witness who did name Atta came to our staff shortly before the commission's report went to the printer. He said he thought he had seen something showing Atta in Brooklyn early in 2000. We knew, in fact, that Atta first arrived in the United States in June 2000 with a visa. For this and other reasons, the witness simply was not credible on this subject.

Additionally, the assertion that the commission failed to report on this program to protect Ms. Gorelick is ridiculous. She had nothing to do with any "wall" between law enforcement and our intelligence agencies. The 1995 Department of Justice guidelines at issue were internal to the Justice Department and were not even sent to any other agency. The guidelines had no effect on the Department of Defense and certainly did not prohibit it from communicating with the FBI, the CIA or anyone else.

Moreover, the "wall" that conservatives accuse Democrats of erecting had been built well before Gorelick -- or Clinton -- took office. The joint House and Senate intelligence committees' report of pre-September 11 intelligence failures stated: "The 'Wall' is not a single barrier, but a series of restrictions between and within agencies constructed over sixty years as a result of legal, policy, ins utional, and personal factors." Similarly, a ruling by the top-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review -- when it met for the first time in 2002 -- traces the origin of the "wall" to "some point during the 1980s."




Simpleton.

[valluco]

Been awhile since I posted on here, but just cant standby and watch a bunch of
simple minded idiots make dumb ass statements.

In the first place, I have no use for people like the twerps boutons and Nbadan and
sundry others who would watch their country go down in defeat to their cheers and
who support the rights of terrorist over the rights and security of American citizens.

What part of "the terrorist want to kill us" don't you understand? You cannot
bargain with them, you cannot negotiate with them and you certainly cant live
with them. Ask the people of Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan and other countries. You
people are as dumb as door knobs or completely unAmerican, I choose the later.

The 9/11 commission was peppered with Clinton people, even the lady who
established the wall between the CIA and FBI. You want to call all conservatives
right wing zealots and other cute names. How bout just calling us what we are
Americans who support our country and citizens. We supported Clinton in what
little effort he put into the Criminal war on terror. Most people had never
heard of UBL until after the second bombing of the WTC. He had every chance
in the world to bring this man to justice, but didn't. Now you idiots want to
bash our President for waging a war on terror and attempting to protect your
sorry rearend.

You people are pathetic and keep underestimating the American public. We are
not to village idiots you perceive, you are!

Hey! Welcome back pendejo!

We missed you.

[xrayzebra]

Sorry but since roughly 10 % of the 2 billion Muslims worldwide are fanatics is your solution to kill 200 million people? Every time I bring this up not one republican ever answers.. Bush and company have admitted we can't kill them all so what is the next step in the "stay the course" strategy.


Simpleton.

No my solution is to win a total victory and do it anyway we can. Is that
too hard for you to figure out. If it takes killing off 200 million, so be it.
They will most definitly kill off over 200 million Americans if they have the
chance. Do you dispute that? And you call me a "simpleton". You still
haven't understood they want to kill all people who do not belive as they
do.

[George Gervin's Afro]

No my solution is to win a total victory and do it anyway we can. Is that
too hard for you to figure out. If it takes killing off 200 million, so be it.
They will most definitly kill off over 200 million Americans if they have the
chance. Do you dispute that? And you call me a "simpleton". You still
haven't understood they want to kill all people who do not belive as they
do.

NO I was not calling you a simpleton I was referring to the village idiots you say (Which include me) don't get 'it' if they don't agree with Bush.

[boutons_]

"watch a bunch of simple minded idiots make dumb ass statements."

... is why you are one of the few here I have on IGNORE, dumb

[xrayzebra]

"watch a bunch of simple minded idiots make dumb ass statements."

... is why you are one of the few here I have on IGNORE, dumb

Obviously not on ignore now!

But you sir, make my point completely. You ignore most facts.

[xrayzebra]

NO I was not calling you a simpleton I was referring to the village idiots you say (Which include me) don't get 'it' if they don't agree with Bush.

Agree, my God, you folks not only disagree with Bush, you completely
agree with the terrorist and their human rights or whatever else you
can come up with the "disagree" with Bush doctrine. How about a little support for your
country. Do you ever do that? I think not. I don't agree with everything
the President does, but I damn sure don't agree with anything the Terrorist
do. I say again, kill them before they kill us. We are in a war, do you
understand that? It is one we cannot afford to lose, do you understand
that? Your and my life depends on winning. You had better understand
that!

[valluco]

Agree, my God, you folks not only disagree with Bush, you completely
agree with the terrorist and their human rights or whatever else you
can come up with the "disagree" with Bush doctrine. How about a little support for your
country. Do you ever do that? I think not. I don't agree with everything
the President does, but I damn sure don't agree with anything the Terrorist
do. I say again, kill them before they kill us. We are in a war, do you
understand that? It is one we cannot afford to lose, do you understand
that? Your and my life depends on winning. You had better understand
that!

Bush had my support after 9/11 as well as the support from the American people, the "Dimmocraps", and the world. It's not our fault that he all over it.

Wake the up.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Agree, my God, you folks not only disagree with Bush, you completely
agree with the terrorist and their human rights or whatever else you
can come up with the "disagree" with Bush doctrine. How about a little support for your
country. Do you ever do that? I think not. I don't agree with everything
the President does, but I damn sure don't agree with anything the Terrorist
do. I say again, kill them before they kill us. We are in a war, do you
understand that? It is one we cannot afford to lose, do you understand
that? Your and my life depends on winning. You had better understand
that!

Right. If I don't agree with Bush's doctrine then I side with the terrorists..and you say I'm the one who doesn't get it. Let me ask you a question. What if Bush is wrong in how he has carried out the war up until this point? Should I just shut up and play good American..?

[johnsmith]

Totally unrelated, but did anyone watch this movie?

[xrayzebra]

Right. If I don't agree with Bush's doctrine then I side with the terrorists..and you say I'm the one who doesn't get it. Let me ask you a question. What if Bush is wrong in how he has carried out the war up until this point? Should I just shut up and play good American..?

Yeah, it would help if you shutup and quit giving aid and confort to the
enemy who has sworn to kill us. I will ask you a question, mr smart guy,
how do you know Bush is wrong. Cause the media cant concertrate on
anything but the negative and all the Democratic leadership hates
America, that is till they get back into power. Give me a break.

[xrayzebra]

Totally unrelated, but did anyone watch this movie?

Yes I did. And it showed Clinton and his gang running and hiding and not
able to make a decision. It shows Madam Albright in all her glory. Like
tipping off all the surrounding countries when Clinton was going to bomb
AQ.

It also shows some inepitude, I think, on the Bush administration, since they
were still trying to get some policies in place.

But those only scratch the surface of my observations. How bout you,
did you watch it?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yeah, it would help if you shutup and quit giving aid and confort to the
enemy who has sworn to kill us. I will ask you a question, mr smart guy,
how do you know Bush is wrong. Cause the media cant concertrate on
anything but the negative and all the Democratic leadership hates
America, that is till they get back into power. Give me a break.

So now in America when the GOP is in control just shut up because there is no more free and open debate. Of course the same GOP is trying to install a democracy in Iraq with free and open debate.... irony?

How do I know Bush is wrong? The same reason why you think he is right..

Now it's the media's fault.. so what are the positives that the media leaves out? I am going to go on a limb and assume you are a regualr talk radio listener.. All I hear those chickenhawks do is compalin about only the bad news in Iraq being reported... well why don't they go to Iraq and report it themselves?

Not the guy who started the unecessary war in Iraq ....

The same democratic party that has people who have actually served in the Armed forces and put their necks on the line..they hate America..

[Spurminator]

Totally unrelated, but did anyone watch this movie?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yes I did. And it showed Clinton and his gang running and hiding and not
able to make a decision. It shows Madam Albright in all her glory. Like
tipping off all the surrounding countries when Clinton was going to bomb
AQ.

It also shows some inepitude, I think, on the Bush administration, since they
were still trying to get some policies in place.

But those only scratch the surface of my observations. How bout you,
did you watch it?

Now Zebra likes the same media who never get's it right and only focuses on the negative?


STATEMENT from ABC Entertainment on "The Path to 9/11"
“The Path to 9/11” is not a do entary of the events leading to 9/11. It is a dramatization, drawn from a variety of sources including the 9/11 Commission Report, other published materials, and personal interviews. As such, for dramatic and narrative purposes, the movie contains fictionalized scenes, composite and representative characters and dialogue, and time compression. No one has seen the final version of the film, because the editing process is not yet complete, so criticisms of film specifics are premature and irresponsible. The attacks of 9/11 were a pivotal moment in our history, and it is fitting that the debate about the events related to the attacks continue. However, we hope viewers will watch the entire broadcast of the finished film before forming an opinion about it.

[johnsmith]

Yes I did. And it showed Clinton and his gang running and hiding and not
able to make a decision. It shows Madam Albright in all her glory. Like
tipping off all the surrounding countries when Clinton was going to bomb
AQ.

It also shows some inepitude, I think, on the Bush administration, since they
were still trying to get some policies in place.

But those only scratch the surface of my observations. How bout you,
did you watch it?

No, I watched football instead. I was just curious about it.

[ChumpDumper]

You cannot bargain with them, you cannot negotiate with them and you certainly cant live with them. Ask the people of Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan and other countries.

Or ask me.

Sincerely,

General Pervez Musharraf

[George Gervin's Afro]

something for the GOP apologists to stew on... but they say we can kill them all...


"TERRORISM CAN'T BE DEFEATED -- EVER
Terrorism is not an enemy, but a method. As such, it can never be defeated -- only contained and reduced. Even if the United States were to wipe out every terrorist cell in the world today, terrorism would be back tomorrow, because new grievances and new cries for revenge will continue to create new terrorists. In addition, there will always be violence-prone, armed insurgent groups that use terrorist methods in conflicts around the world" --- These are the freedom fighters. They never die out. It’s human nature.
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