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    "are pulling a Rove-esque coordinated attack."

    When the Repugs do it, it's cool, but when the Dems do the same, it's .... ?
    ...looking succesfull.

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    Why didn’t the CIA and FBI realize the extent of bin Laden’s involvement in terrorism? Because Clinton never took the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center sufficiently seriously.
    Who did?

    And lmao at the neocons who can't stand Monday morning quarterbacks but love to be them. Hypocrites.

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    The former president says, “I worked hard to try to kill him.” If so, why did he notify Pakistan of our cruise-missile strike in time for them to warn Osama and allow him to escape?
    Last I checked, firing missiles near a nuclear power is kind of a *touchy* subject.

    Failure to notify Pakistan of missle strikes= possibility of Pakistan launching a retalitatory strike at India= Very Bad Things

    This guys whole premise is flawed, but this is just what I noticed in a brief reading.

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    Who did?

    And lmao at the neocons who can't stand Monday morning quarterbacks but love to be them. Hypocrites.

    Give me a break. You throw out a quick "hypocrites" insult? Everyone on here are Monday Morning quarterbacks, and everyone on here doesn't like the other sides opinions, what's hypocritical about arguing back?
    You hypocrite.

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    Give me a break. You throw out a quick "hypocrites" insult? Everyone on here are Monday Morning quarterbacks, and everyone on here doesn't like the other sides opinions, what's hypocritical about arguing back?
    You hypocrite.
    I think you are being hypocritical when you call Chump a hypocrite for calling you a hypocrite.

    HA!

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    I think you are being hypocritical when you call Chump a hypocrite for calling you a hypocrite.

    HA!

    This is sort of like the opposite day argument. How could it possibly be opposite day when the opposite of opposite day is no longer opposite..........now say "toy boat" out loud as fast as you can 10 times. Your head should explode any minute with the opposite day thing and combining the toy boat thing with it.

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    I think you are being hypocritical when you call Chump a hypocrite for calling you a hypocrite.

    HA!
    Damned hypocrite.

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    This is sort of like the opposite day argument. How could it possibly be opposite day when the opposite of opposite day is no longer opposite..........now say "toy boat" out loud as fast as you can 10 times. Your head should explode any minute with the opposite day thing and combining the toy boat thing with it.

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    I am not a hypocrite for calling other people hypocrites. I am all about Monday morning quarterbacking although in the case of Iraq I just happened to predict what would happen on this very board. So that's an "I told you so" situation. Not hypocritical. It's the Bush apologists on this board who hate having their noses rubbed in it every day who accuse people like me of Monday morning quarterbacking and desperately seek to avoid talking about how ed up things are in Afghanistan and Iraq now. Their latest tactic is to bash Clinton for not reins uting state-sponsored assassination -- Monday-morning quarterbacking his foreign policy a decade later.

    Hypocritically.

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    I am not a hypocrite for calling other people hypocrites. I am all about Monday morning quarterbacking although in the case of Iraq I just happened to predict what would happen on this very board. So that's an "I told you so" situation. Not hypocritical. It's the Bush apologists on this board who hate having their noses rubbed in it every day who accuse people like me of Monday morning quarterbacking and desperately seek to avoid talking about how ed up things are in Afghanistan and Iraq now. Their latest tactic is to bash Clinton for not reins uting state-sponsored assassination -- Monday-morning quarterbacking his foreign policy a decade later.

    Hypocritically.
    Actually, I believe it was a made for TV movie on ABC that brought the concept of Clinton not doing enough about terrorism to the forefront, not Bush apologists, per se. Also, it has been the Clintonista's response to that movie, and Clinton himself on Fox that has made it all front page news.

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    So much for Clinton, I left them a comprehensive plan to
    deal with UBL. And ask them why they fired Clarke.
    Once again, Clinton's lies come back to haunt him.

    Tuesday, Sept. 26, 2006 7:08 a.m. EDT

    Rice: Clinton Left Us No Terror Plan

    Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice challenged former President Clinton's claim that he did more than many of his conservative critics to pursue al-Qaida, saying in an interview published Tuesday that the Bush administration aggressively pursued the group even before the 9/11 attacks.

    "What we did in the eight months was at least as aggressive as what the Clinton administration did in the preceding years," Rice said during a meeting with editors and reporters at the New York Post.

    The newspaper published her comments after Clinton appeared on "Fox News Sunday" in a combative interview in which he defended his handling of the threat posed by Osama bin Laden and said he "worked hard" to have the al-Qaida leader killed.

    "That's the difference in me and some, including all of the right-wingers who are attacking me now," Clinton said in the interview. "They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try, they did not try."

    Rice disputed his assessment.

    "The notion somehow for eight months the Bush administration sat there and didn't do that is just flatly false - and I think the 9/11 commission understood that," she said.

    Rice also took exception to Clinton's statement that he "left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy" for incoming officials when he left office.

    "We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al-Qaida," she told the newspaper, which is owned by News Corp. (NWSA), the same company that owns Fox News Channel.

    In the interview, Clinton accused host Chris Wallace of a "conservative hit job" and asked: "I want to know how many people in the Bush administration you asked, 'Why didn't you do anything about the Cole?' I want to know how many people you asked, 'Why did you fire Clarke?'"

    Rice portrayed the departure of former White House anti-terrorism chief Richard A. Clarke differently, saying he "left when he did not become deputy director of homeland security."

    The interview has been the focus of much attention - drawing more than 800,000 views on YouTube and earning the show its best ratings in nearly three years.

    Rice questioned the value of the dialogue.

    "I think this is not a very fruitful discussion," she said. "We've been through it. The 9/11 commission has turned over every rock and we know exactly what they said."

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    Actually, I believe it was a made for TV movie on ABC that brought the concept of Clinton not doing enough about terrorism to the forefront, not Bush apologists, per se. Also, it has been the Clintonista's response to that movie, and Clinton himself on Fox that has made it all front page news.
    Bingo!

    I think the Clintonistas wish they had just kept their mouths shut and let the "Path to 9-11" fade into television obscurity.

    Oh well, I guess we do have Billy Boy to kick around for a while longer. I bet his wife is just as pleased as punch about all this.

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    Actually, I believe it was a made for TV movie on ABC that brought the concept of Clinton not doing enough about terrorism to the forefront, not Bush apologists, per se. Also, it has been the Clintonista's response to that movie, and Clinton himself on Fox that has made it all front page news.
    Gawd we're getting into circular logic.

    Whatever the reasons for this it only serves to do exactly what chumpdumper says it is doing: distract from the present.

    Since it distracts from the present, less than shining, cir stances that have put the conservative administration's approval in the toilet, the obvious counter to that is to rile up that same base in a time-tested way just before the election, just as it does here.

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    Gawd we're getting into circular logic.

    Whatever the reasons for this it only serves to do exactly what chumpdumper says it is doing: distract from the present.

    Since it distracts from the present, less than shining, cir stances that have put the conservative administration's approval in the toilet, the obvious counter to that is to rile up that same base in a time-tested way just before the election, just as it does here.
    The past is what caused the present. Clinton's
    in-action let things progress to this point in time.
    Bush takes the blame in a quite, reserved way and continues to do battle with the enemy. Not
    the dimm-o-craps who have missed no
    opportunity to oppose every nomination, action
    by his administration. Just look at those on
    here who call Bush and his administration every
    name under the sun.

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    Bush takes the blame in a quite, reserved way

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    Hillary enters the fray...

    Hillary Clinton Lobs Another Bomb at Condoleezza Rice Over Whose to Blame for Not Getting bin Laden


    Clinton said that he "left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy" for his successor's team to follow.

    Rice told the Post: "We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al Qaeda."

    That's about as direct a denial as you could get. No mealy-mouthing there.

    Now, the argument has ratcheted up another notch with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton entering the fray.

    She told reporters on Capitol Hill: "I'm certain that if my husband and his national security team had been shown a classified report en led 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States,' he would have taken it more seriously than history suggests it was taken by our current president and his national security team."
    ABC News

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    She told reporters on Capitol Hill: "I'm certain that if my husband and his national security team had been shown a classified report en led 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States,' he would have taken it more seriously than history suggests it was taken by our current president and his national security team."
    I guess he didn't get a clue when al Qaeda actually DID attack inside the United States in 1993...he must have needed a report to tell him that bin Laden was determined to attack inside the United States.

    [insert Tammy Wynette's "Stand by Your Man" here]

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    She told reporters on Capitol Hill: "I'm certain that if my husband and his national security team had been shown a classified report en led 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States,' he would have taken it more seriously than history suggests it was taken by our current president and his national security team."
    Yeah, that's why he blew up an aspirin factory with a couple of cruise missiles... OBL was giving Billary a headache

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    History will "middle finger", it's already well under way, dubya/ head/condi/rummy/wolfie/neo-cons for lying their way into a phony war and seriously decreasing USA's security.

    Along with Yoni, there is actually a fantasist core of Repugs who believe that WMD have been found in Iraq.

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    They're still translating the do ents!

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    History will "middle finger", it's already well under way, dubya/ head/condi/rummy/wolfie/neo-cons for lying their way into a phony war and seriously decreasing USA's security.

    Along with Yoni, there is actually a fantasist core of Repugs who believe that WMD have been found in Iraq.

    Psssst boutons, they are still counting the hanging
    chads. Pass it on.

    And they did find a small amount of WMD, dummy.

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    I had no idea the "hand of history" was so deformed and disproportionate. Not that I'd expect a political cartoon to be "even-handed".

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    The past is what caused the present.
    Remember that when we get hit by the next generation of fanatics inspired by Gitmo and Abu Gharaib. Whatever blame may be laid on Clinton will be tenfold for Bush's bungling and failed policies.

    Don't take my word for it, fine. Don't take the intelligence community's word for it, fine.

    It will happen whether you thing Bush is the best thing since sliced bread or not.
    (insert head in the sand smiley here)

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