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well, that's how the Terrorists see it as well, like the sectarian that's going down in Baghdad, etc. they both think they are right in thier cause, so this swings both ways. the only thing is, which side is the lesser of evils??
Now just how many "streamed" into Iraq?What should we have done with the al Qaeda terrorists streaming into Iraq after we invaded Afghanistan? Should we have just ignored it?
How did we know?
Why did we not have boots on the ground at suspected escape routes?
If we knew where they were or where they were crossing into Iraq, AND we enjoyed complete air superiority in both countries, why could we just not even try to bomb them?
well, that's how the Terrorists see it as well, like the sectarian that's going down in Baghdad, etc. they both think they are right in thier cause, so this swings both ways. the only thing is, which side is the lesser of evils??
In all honesty, Yoni, every time you start a sentence now with " I believe ", it gives me the shivers. You went out on the ledge just to put Bush on a pedestal.
You are a real champion for your party's cause, and I admire that, in a way. But what you said about Bush coupled with what you believe, gives me the willies. You suggested that we have, in some way, been saved by some kind of apocolyptic demise because of the man you most admire. I have a real fear that this belief is somehow connected to religion and that might explain the origins of your statement.
Feel free to correct me.
Consider yourself corrected. I see nothing messianic about the President. I do, however, believe his foreign policy decisions are dead on right.
9/11 was planned years before W took office, you moron!
I mean go as is "GTFO"
Why is Yoni talking to Chump Dumper again?
Yoni, I thought you were a man of your word.
You are pulling a TPark.
They would not have gone there. Saddam didn't trust them any further than any other threat to his power, and they hated him right back as a secular totalitarian.
"9/11 was planned years before W took office, you moron!"
In the months before he was elected, yes. but it was NOT unstoppable, nor was it unimaginable as the Repugs' smokescreen repeats incessantly.
Condi is covering her NSA-director's ass, but she's been proven to be flat wrong by the 9/11 commission report that she and Repugs did as much as, treated terrrorism/al-Qaida as seriously as Clinton. She a ing lying, ass-covering just like all her Repug accomplices.
Okay, all you fine folks that thinks President Bush has screwed up on his
policy. What is the dimm-o-craps policy that is going to cut us some slack?
Come on, the only thing I have heard is "cut and run" now, what did the
report say about that. I read: that if we win there it is going to demoralize
the AQ group.
I also read: If we cut and run it is going to energize them.
And I am still waiting on your "BIG" plan to take care of all the terrorist
that was created.
You folks are so full of yourself. You act like what you are: a group
circle jerk, the village idiots who run thru the streets hollering: the sky
is falling and it is all Bush's fault.
That's not quite what the report said, but it is close. My question still stands:
Staying there does us harm. Not just losing troops, but losing in a lop-sided PR war.
How long before the lost PR war does more harm than cutting our losses and handing them a perceived victory?
Rock and a hard place scenario.
I think that the presence of our troops there makes things worse in Iraq. We need to gradually pull out over the next few years.
After a while it will simply expose the extremists for what they really are: simple murderers. The less US troop on muslim violence the better. It matters less and less that Iraq would slide into a war.
I think our responsibility to them wanes with each new sectarian killing. If they want to kill each other, we won't and can't stop them.
"GTFO"
The US is like the little Dutch boy with him finger in the dike. Saddam had his finger in the dike for us, and was effective enough about it. He was the enemy of our enemy Iran.
Now that the Repugs have unnecessarily, recklessly pulled Saddam's finger out, the Repugs have put the US's finger in. As soon as the US leaves, the dike breaks and Iraq will be lost to Muslim radicals. Iran's hegemony will expand.
Same is true for Afghanistan.
The strategic blunder that the Repugs have made in Iraq will haunt, and cost, the USA for decades.
The Repugs in Iraq have ed the USA so thoroughly that people haven't even begun to imagine the consequences.
No offense, but that may quite possibly be the most spon-on thing I have seen you say in a while.
The shia in Iraq aren't quite all so quick to embrace Iran tho'. Many, but not all.
Sure, the VN accepted ChiCom aid but once the US was kickedout, the VN didn't want ChiCom running VN.
Same with the Iraqi Shia. They will accept aid from Iran, esp to kick the Repugs out. They will ally themselves with Iran, but they don't want Iran to run Iraq.
However, the post-US Iraq will clearly be under the influence and hegemony of Iran, rather than opposed to Iran as Saddam mortally was.
Ouch! If you cut me, do I not bleed?
By the way, did the mods notify the Secret Service of the threat that was made earlier on this board?
The end result of the Iraq occupation is usually framed in terms of how Iraq, and by extension, the Middle East will turn out. I'm equally concerned about the errosive effect Iraq has on our military. National Guard duty is no longer "weekend warrior, show up for riots and natural disasters" duty, it's now "always deployed along side the regular Army, but with crappier equipment " duty. The Army has to lower standards and raise the age limit to 42 in order to meet recruitment quotas. They also have to extend the tours of duty of those currently serving to maintain troop levels.
Do all of these problems magically dissapear once we're out of Iraq? I don't think so, especially now that the chickenhawks are growing bored with their old toy (Iraq) and are now looking at Iran. I heard Philip Gold on the radio today, plugging his new book "The Coming Draft", mention that even if a draft were held today, it would take a year and a half before the draftees could join in the fun, since we no longer have the military bases we once had to train and equip a dramatic influx of new troops.
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"a year and a half before the draftees could join in the fun"
I read an article yesterday where even now the Repugs haven't paid for enough equipment to train the CURRENT enlistees and Guardsmen. To ramp up the 200 - 400K additional troops needed for Iraq and Afghanistan AND equip and train them would be a couple $100B. But the $300B cut in estate taxes is much more important to the Repugs than fielding an equipped army of the size to fight correctly in their phony wars.
The Repugs know this and absolutely don't want it discussed before the election.
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Nah, I decided to see how well the government's data mining works. The IP is logged if they really feel like busting a 14 year old white kid in Sacramento. Maybe they'll torture him....
The reals costs of that many troops would be MUCH more than $200 billion. I think in terms of money spent it would likely be much higher, not to mention the shock to the labor force of that many people taken out of it. Losing 400k worth of people, would presumedly have been at least 95% employed, would do a number on the tax base.
Sad thing is that we don't need military action to "win" the war on terror, as the current intel estimate points out. Rather, we need to simply be a bit more PR savvy and, as it turns out, more ethical.
You know that much about him just by his IP Address?
I'm sure no one on the the internets would ever create a faux character in order to cover their intentions. Nah, never happen.
Oh wait! Criminal investigators pose as 12 year-old girls all the time in order to nab pervs.
That and his other posts.You know that much about him just by his IP Address?Sure, he's posing as a black man. He has also posed as a professional football player, an asian man, a member of nSync and a large female moderator who banned him a Sacramento Kings message board.I'm sure no one on the the internets would ever create a faux character in order to cover their intentions. Nah, never happen.So you're saying he's Shaquille O'Neal now? You've just given him another screen name idea. Congratulations.Oh wait! Criminal investigators pose as 12 year-old girls all the time in order to nab pervs.
Last edited by ChumpDumper; 09-28-2006 at 10:20 AM.
No, I'm saying you have no way to to know with certainty, unless you've met him, who he is.
Fairy Tales could come true, it could happen to you...if you vote Democrat in November...
Even if I met him I wouldn't know with certainty. What's your point?
That you're an idiot.
Have you narced him out yet, Yoni? Is that not what you are getting at?
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