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If Bruce is so dirty then how come guys who got pissed at him sign with the Spurs knowing he will be their teamate?
Like Michael Finley...
Bruce is dirty because he does things that could get players hurt. Sliding his foot under where a player will land is just one example. He'll trip, grab, clutch, elbow, and do other things that not only irritate, but will end up hurting another player. I recall a game against the Pistons where Rip was running baseline and Bruce put his arms up right at the moment Rip ran by and his elbow slammed right on the nose section of Rip's mask, so hard the mask came loose. Bruce does a lot of things that are dirty that he works very hard on to make look like they aren't on purpose.
You deify Spurs players like they cannot be without fault.
Oh, and by the way, that Rip example ... it IS like Bruce throws elbows in people's faces.
And, I'm sure Bruce has pushed people from behind before as well.
How about a drop kick to the face?
Bruce may not always intend to hurt another player, but he plays in such a way that if the way he plays injures another player, he doesn't care about that consequence. It's like he is playing recklessly even if he is not intentionally trying to injure.
If Bruce is so dirty then how come guys who got pissed at him sign with the Spurs knowing he will be their teamate?
Like Michael Finley...
Playing recklessly doesnt = Dirty
Being a dirty player is when you do stuff to purposly hurt players.
Like Danny Fortson. He goes out on the court to put guys on their ass.
So they don't get injured going against him? Here's another thought, the Spurs are a perennial winning team? Anyone would come there regardless of whether or not Bruce Bowen plays for them.
Do we need to post the quote by Isiah saying he didn't think Bruce did it intentionally?
And even went into the lockerroom after game 1 to tell Bruce how much he admired his play?
This was just Isiah trying to make his team play with some heart...and also to let Bruce know that he needs to watch that foot.
So then all these guys accusing Bruce of being dirty are just as dirty...since they'd have no problem with being his teamate and even jump at the chance to play on the same team.
And all these coaches saying it would also sign Bruce to play on their team.
END OF ARGUMENT.
Bruce pisses these guys off...they are not the voice of objectivity on the subject.
IF Bruce did it all the time there would be a lot more guys getting injured.
When you're reckless to the point that you don't care if someone could get injured because of your actions, I would consider that dirty.
End of argument because you say so? Bruce does things that are dirty and could get players hurt. Regardless of who says what or what coaches you think would want to sign Bruce, he has a tendency to play dirty. Deal with it.
You mean like you dealt with Juwan Howard, Raef LaFrentz, Dennis Rodman, Raja Bell and Jason Terry?
Come to think of it...Jerry "skull fracture" Stackhouse as well.
Don Nelson was the dirtiest coach in history...his idea of playing D is injuring players.
WE'll need to lean on you quite a bit to learn how to deal with dirty play.
Hey, I never said I approved of any of those players actions, although the Stackhouse incident was an accident and Johnson simply slipped off the rim. Jason Terry punching Finley in the balls was bull . I'm not sure what you mean about Nelson, besides hack a shack I don't remember any intentional fouling. Why is it so hard for you to admit to something that blatantly obvious?
Then you're an idiot.I'm not sure what you mean about Nelson, besides hack a shack I don't remember any intentional fouling.
CROSSING THE LINE
ISIAH BETTER THAN SAN ANTONIO RANT ISIAH THOMAS
By Marc Berman
NY Post
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11132006...arc_berman.htm
November 13, 2006 -- WHEN mild-mannered Spurs star Tim Duncan, whose personality borders on comatose, is disgusted enough to rip you in the media, it probably means you crossed the line.
Knicks coach/president Isiah Thomas crossed the line in San Antonio on Saturday night. Thomas picked a fight with Bruce Bowen late in the first quarter of the Knicks' 100-92 loss, profanely threatening the Spurs defensive whiz and yelling at his own team, "If he does it again, break his bleeping foot." Bowen told a San Antonio newspaper he thought he heard Thomas scream something about "breaking his neck."
In Thomas' eyes, Bowen had put Jamal Crawford in danger by placing his foot under him while Crawford soared for a jumper. In Thomas' mind, it was the same sin Bowen committed against Steve Francis last Monday that caused an ankle injury to the Knicks guard.
Afterward, Duncan said: "It's just a bad situation when a coach puts himself in that position and goes after a player. It's very uncalled for. We have bigger plans than trying to hurt somebody."
Duncan went on to say Spurs coach Gregg Popovich would never attack an opposing player verbally.
The NBA's disciplinarian, Stu Jackson, told league spokesman Tim Frank yesterday he does not plan to look into the Bowen-Thomas scrape and it's unclear if the Spurs will contact the league.
But Thomas, whose Knicks host LeBron James' Cavaliers tonight, should realize he's above that behavior, no longer a member of the "Bad Boys." Thomas' demeanor is judged on a different standard, especially as team president. The irony is that projecting the right image is very important to Thomas, whose suit-and-tie dress code became the model for David Stern's policy last season.
At your service whenever you ask for that
--Kori
I'll raise the Isiah status from ... Stupid Teambuilder to Very Stupid.
Isiah off hook
NBA OK on threat to Bowen
Neither Isiah Thomas nor the Spurs' Bruce Bowen is expected to face further disciplinary action for their conduct during the Knicks' loss to San Antonio on Saturday, a league spokesman said yesterday.
Bowen accused Thomas of threatening him during the game, saying the coach said he would "break his neck." Thomas became upset because he felt Bowen was intentionally sticking his foot under Jamal Crawford as the Knick guard was leaving his feet to take a jump shot, a tactic that Bowen has been accused of by Vince Carter and Ray Allen. Both Thomas and Bowen were called for technical fouls.
Thomas also shouted to his players that the "next time (Bowen) does that, break his --- foot."
The Knicks, who were off yesterday, did not comment on Bowen's accusation.
The incident came one day after Thomas said before the Knicks-Rockets game how he would have reacted during his playing days if someone had used a similar method.
"I'd beat the --- out of somebody," Thomas said Friday. "Really, I would --- murder them. ... There's certain things you don't do."
When Spurs coach Gregg Popovich was informed of Thomas' remark prior to Saturday's game, he said: "That's kind of a Mike Tyson comment, a little bit over the edge possibly. I'm sure he's just frustrated."
After Thomas screamed at Bowen, he and Popovich exchanged heated words, with Popovich telling Thomas, "Don't talk to my players." (Popovich, a close friend of Larry Brown, testified in Brown's arbitration hearing against the Knicks in late September.)
On Saturday, Thomas waved off Popovich and uttered a profanity before turning back to the Spurs' coach and shouting, "Tell your player not to keep sticking his foot under my players." Both coaches had to be restrained by their assistants.
After the game, Thomas and Popovich met at midcourt, shook hands and came to an agreement that the flareup was simply the result of intensity and gamesmanship.
Tim Duncan, however, didn't see it that way. The Spurs' All-Star power forward sharply criticized Thomas for threatening Bowen and nearly creating an ugly scene.
"It's a bad situation when a coach puts himself in that position and goes after a player," Duncan said on Saturday. "It's very uncalled for. I don't know what his intentions were with that and we have bigger plans than trying to hurt somebody. I would hope that people would understand and respect that and obviously they don't."
Thomas maintains that his decision to challenge Bowen was two-fold: he was protecting his players while trying to motivate his tired and flat team, which was trailing by 13 eight minutes into the game. Under the cir stances, both reasons seemed valid.
Last Monday at the Garden, Steve Francis suffered a sprained left ankle when he landed on Bowen's foot after going up for a jump shot. Like the Crawford play, Bowen was not called for a foul. Francis, who has refused to call Bowen's actions dirty, has missed three straight games.
The Knicks asked the NBA to review a videotape, and the league said yesterday that Bowen would not be punished despite a league mandate to regulate such tactics.
An opposing team official believes the league needs to start calling that foul on Bowen.
"I watched the play where Francis was hurt and I thought it definitely should have been a foul," the official said. "That needs to be stopped."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/st...p-396309c.html
If they call it on Bruce, they have to call it when it happens to everyone else a dozen times a game. I'm all for it.
Damn...is there a video of this whole sequence of incidents?
I tried Youtube with no luck, and I doubt ESPNnews still has this as a story 2 days later.
He didn't box him out. Boxing out doesn't just include turning your back. You have to put your arms out and put your ass into the guy. This is not an attempted boxout.
EDIT - LINK/IMAGE REMOVED BY WHOTTT
People are saying that the guys that complain are just being pussies. I love it. How would you feel if you jumped straight up for a jumper and came down on someone's foot? Especially when you've jumped straight up and landed in the same spot you jumped from? Ankle injuries are serious business. I would be very pissed. Being pissed off that someone hurt your ankle does not equal being a pussy.
Last edited by whottt; 11-13-2006 at 07:56 PM. Reason: You can't post NBA footage or links to it at SpursTalk
You can't post NBA Footage at SpursTalk...You can't post links to NBA Footage at Spurstalk.
whoops my bad.
Nice to see you too.
LMAO. Sorry man...I couldn't resist. Besides...I kinda miss that thread actually.
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