So you agree with bush that the war is over oil?
Not at all. And Bush never said that. It is about our
interest in that part of the world and our security. Oil
is part of it, but not the end all of end all.
That is the breeding ground of people who want to end
our world as we know it. Including our lives.
Some on this forum don't seem to realize that.
Anyhow, I will be back after the second half of
the OK and OSU game.....
CUL
Yeah.That is the breeding ground of people who want to end
our world as we know it. Including our lives.
Saudi Arabia.
Actually, Bush said that to Bill O'Reilly during his interview with the president.
I guess I'm the only one that lowered himself to watch that interview.
He may have, I just wasn't aware of it.
And yeah Chump the Saudis are part of the
problem, but so it Iran, Syria and the rest of
the ME. As well as some of European
countries.
I fail to understand, why Americans are not
concerned about the American interest. And
our security. It mystifies me.
All other countries do what is in their best
interest, note what happened to one of Russians
KGB agents, just this weekend, and if we do
it is wrong. Why?
We assassinate former spys that speak out against the president with radioactive particles?All other countries do what is in their best
interest, note what happened to one of Russians
KGB agents, just this weekend, and if we do
it is wrong. Why?
The British do.
The tautology that all countries act in their own interests, up to and including killing dissidents (as all governments, certainly including the Americans, have), does not absolve any of them from any moral culpability for their actions. That isn't difficult to understand, which leads me to believe that xray's just bull ting. As for the charge of hypocrisy, all people act in their own interests as well, and their moral viewpoints are generally derivative of that.
Last edited by Bob Lanier; 11-25-2006 at 06:28 PM.
The modern Aryans reside in the Middle East and part of Africa....and still in Europe, they're just humbled right about now...and angry.
Whottt's favourite game:
"Get them before they get you!"
Ray, please explain to me how bombing the crap out of the Middle East, destabilising the region, and riding in like Crusaders taking back the Holy Oil is in any way lessening the hatred of those people "who want to destroy us", or preventing them from doing so? It's not, it's turning more people to their cause.
Your thinking is so turned around it's insane. Somehow you believe that mass killing and subjugation of a people will lessen their tendancy to violence against their oppressor (which is the West, led by the US). That is absolutely ridiculous.
The course of human history, and every freakin Hollywood war movie for that matter, tells us that the more one race/nation/religion tries to force another race/nation/religion to their way, the more the oppressed will oppose it.
By invading Iraq without justification (and there was no link to 9/11 - the 9/11 Commission stated that, I've read the report), the US further destabilised the cradle of insanity that is the ME. In effect, your country managed to amplify the Muslim/Western divide and make religious conflict the greatest threat to the modern world. Well done.
Last edited by RuffnReadyOzStyle; 11-26-2006 at 07:30 PM.
RNR, were we in Iraq or any other ME countryRay, please explain to me how bombing the crap out of the Middle East, destabilising the region, and riding in like Crusaders taking back the Holy Oil is in any way lessening the hatred of those people "who want to destroy us", or preventing them from doing so? It's not, it's turning more people to their cause.
Your thinking is so turned around it's insane. Somehow you believe that mass killing and subjugation of a people will lessen their tendancy to violence against their oppressor (which is the West, led by the US). That is absolutely ridiculous.
The course of human history, and every freakin Hollywood war movie for that matter, tells us that the more one race/nation/religion tries to force another race/nation/religion to their way, the more the oppressed will oppose it.
By invading Iraq without justification (and there was no link to 9/11 - the 9/11 Commission stated that, I've read the report), the US further destabilised the cradle of insanity that is the ME. In effect, your country managed to amplify the Muslim/Western divide and make religious conflict the greatest threat to the modern world. Well done.
1993? When WTC was first bombed.
Were we in Iraq or any other ME country when
our Embassies were bombed?
Were we in Saudi Arabia at there invitation
when our barracks was bombed.
What was act of war was the Cole involved in
when it was bombed?
You need to quit worrying so much about them
and worry a little about us. The Western world.
And we have never oppressed any nation or
people in our history. On the contrary we have
rebuilt many nations and come to many nations
and people who were oppressed. So get a little
serious in your discussion.
The hatred was always there. And I might add
without American know how there would have
never been oil produced in that part of the world.
without American know how there would have
never been oil produced in that part of the world
>BULL ALERT<---------->BULL ALERT<--------->BULL ALERT<
Let's try taking off the blinders, shall we?
There was the "peculiar ins ution".
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Philippine-American War
(1899-1902)
This was America's first true colonial war as a world power. After defeating Spain in Cuba and in the Philippines in 1898, the U.S. purchased the Philippines, Puerto Rico and several other islands from the Spanish. However, the Filipinos had been fighting a bloody revolution against Spain since 1896, and had no intention of becoming a colony of another imperialist power. In February of 1899, fighting broke out between the occupying American Army and the Filipino forces.
Estimated deaths caused by fighting were around 500k--RG
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How many dictatorships did we prop up in the cold war?
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Honestly, the US has acted in a bit more of a moral fashion than a lot of other nations would have, but to pretend that the US is somehow innocent in all things is to not consider information for any other reason that bias.
Bias leads to faulty decision making.
They will simply build more bombs and make it very clear that any attack will mean the destruction of the attacker. MAD.
my friends it was a democrat who ordered the bombing of 2 japanese cities full of innocent civilians with atomic bombs..
so lets keep the democratic tradition of bombing alive..
Don't forget the firebombing of Dresden and Tokyo.
Nasty stuff that.
dresden and tokyo.. allowing the russian army to rape murder all the way to berlin..
carpet bombing vietnam... war is nasty stuff...
Bomb Iran? Bush is begging for their help in Iraq. Somehow, their not so evil. Israel must be overjoyed with this proposition.
Why are we talking about WWII, I was told it is not
relevant to our situation today.
And yes, the mean old USA, all we ever do is plunder and
kill and rape and whatever else you want to cite.
I know it must be to admit you are a citizen of
the United States. But I am proud of my citizenship
and what the United States has done for many countries. And funny thing. We are talking of
building a wall to keep people out not in. How can
that be?
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