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I also think we are slightly less likely to punt because of our cap situation this summer.
Ariza has been drafted with the 44th pick.
You can praise Isiah Thomas for being great at scouting domestic talents but blaming Spurs for being poor on scouting domestic talents only because of that is a reach : tons of teams have drafted a worse player than Ariza while he was still available.
I also think we are slightly less likely to punt because of our cap situation this summer.
We can't punt.
We need to replenish the team.
All we have is low draft picks.
That's it.
The reason for the cap room in 2008 is not a big free agent.
It's to replenish the team as much as possible.
By then all these players will be gone: Barry, Horry, Elson, Oberto, Vaughn, Udrih, Finley, and probably Bowen.
A big push to find replacements must begin this summer. This draft is extremely important.
Again if you think the answer is at #27 and below, that's fine.
Did I ever say it was?
Have you realized that Spurs will be at best $8M under the cap in 08 and that they will have more money to replenish by spending the MLE in 07 and in 08 ?
Of course, but people are freaking out about this cap room plan as if the Spurs plan on going after (and crapping out on) some high level FA. Not so. They're trying to save money so they can retool the team in multiple spots. Obviously they'll have MLEs in the meantime.
What are you saying?
That this draft is extremely important but it's not the only thing we have. It's not hard to figure out, bub.
So the answer is at #27 and below.
FWIW, if the Spurs sign anybody to the MLE in the summer of 07 to a multi-year deal that pretty much does away with the caproom in 08.Have you realized that Spurs will be at best $8M under the cap in 08 and that they will have more money to replenish by spending the MLE in 07 and in 08
EDIT: oops, misread. disregard.
Last edited by objective; 01-12-2007 at 07:14 PM.
If I was questioning the Spurs domestic scouting based only on Sanikidze . . . you'd be right, that is a reach.You can praise Isiah Thomas for being great at scouting domestic talents but blaming Spurs for being poor on scouting domestic talents only because of that is a reach : tons of teams have drafted a worse player than Ariza while he was still available.
But I'm not. From another recent thread about Joel Pryzbilla:
So when I talk about the Spurs and domestic scouting, I'm going back years and years.They haven't drafted a US-produced player other than Tim Duncan who has made any impact in Pop's entire tenure.
Now every team in the league has passed over better players and made mistakes, so everybody does it, but I don't know if anyone else has so long a tenure and has reliably missed out on US product.
Just doing position for position, Beno over Duhon, Sanikidze over Ariza, Karaulov instead of Butler, Bracey over Mo Evans, Carrawell over Michael Redd, Corey Alexander over Eric Snow. Heck even though it's blasphemous they took one foreign scoring point guard over a domestic scoring point guard just about the same age, Parker over Arenas. But that's just nit-picking, Parker has been great and an all-star.
That's probably why they finally hired someone to be their director of college player personnel. Better late than neve
Maybe I don't give them enough credit for having a guy like Raja Bell in camp (even though they didn't keep him due to Dial if I remember right).
And maybe it's wrong to say 'probably' instead of 'maybe' with regards to the domestic scouting concerns being the cause of them hiring a director of college player personnel.
But hey, it's just a discussion.
The Spurs have only kept a handful of crappy first round picks -- the top picks available to them. Parker, Beno and Ian. The rest they traded away due to tax/cap concerns or their targets' being taken higher (Krstic, Ebi). The overall record when they actually pick isn't terrible. Not perfect, not terrible.
Do you realize that you can do the same thing (player X over player Y) for every franchise in the league and every franchise will look horrible.
Just choose randomly one and you will see how easy it is.
Do you realize that I didn't include foreign talent that they passed up, like Anderson Varajao or Mehmet Okur? That's for a reason.Do you realize that you can do the same thing (player X over player Y) for every franchise in the league and every franchise will look horrible.
Just choose randomly one and you will see how easy it is.
You can't name me an American product the Spurs drafted other than Tim Duncan in the Pop era that helped the Spurs in any meaningful way.
Right, we traded a couple of picks to get Speedy Claxton. That worked out well while it lasted.
Living in the past gets very old.
It has nothing to do with foreign and us player.
If you look at the draft history by looking at what player they have missed, every franchise is horrible.
Just choose one franchise and you will realize it.
Spurs haven't spend a first round pick on a american player (except Tim) for 10 years, it's quite logical that they haven't drafted a meaningful player.
and yes, sometimes they traded picks for established NBA players (American), and got good/great value.
The Curley pick for Sean Elliott. Brilliant pick, that alone should have gotten Pop the Executive of the Year award that season along with the Avery and Person pick-ups, but he was robbed.
The Felipe Lopez slot for Antonio Daniels. Sure Rashard Lewis and Al Harrington were available, but Daniels in exchange for that late a pick was great value for a known product over high schoolers.
But even the stories you hear about players that the Spurs coveted that didn't fall to them are mostly foreigners. Kirilenko. Krstic. Diaw. Kryapha. Delfino. Now wanting those guys, certainly AK, Nenad and Diaw I think coincides with the widely held belief that the Spurs are great at scouting foreign talent. I don't dispute that at all. It's the domestic angle I'm interested in.
The counter-examples were of the Spurs trying to trade Beno for Jarrett Jack's rights and them wanting Jameer Nelson, who slipped farther in the draft than expected and where another team made a trade to get him at 20.
The Spurs domestic scouting is in the present, and can be informed on by the past. And will apply to the future.Living in the past gets very old.
Hopefully their new DCPP will help them.
I am NOT crying about how awesome and unbeatable the Spurs would be if only they drafted (insert name) instead of (insert name).
I'm just reviewing their domestic scouting based only on what us laypersons can see, stuff in the public record.
James White vs. LA D-fenders tonight
34:11 min
9-15 fg
2-4 3pt
5-6 ft
1 reb
3 ast
5 pf
1 st
3 to
1 blk
25 pts
Looks like the Toros shut 'em down in the 4th. My favorite ne'er do well Sean Banks dropped 30 on them though.
Why can't it be? With multiple picks the Spurs have an opportunity to draft BOTH instant contribution and projects with upside. Here's a scenario....
Jeff Green falls to the latter half of the first round because of aggressiveness concerns and the fact that he's still a "tweener". There's an instant contributor.
Rudy Fernandez falls into the second round because of buyout concerns with his European team and people questioning his heart/motivation.
One instant contributor and one "future Ginobili" to be left overseas for a year or two. Both relatively attainable. I'm just saying...yes it's possible at #27.
Are you sure a 12 and 6 college tweener is going to contribute instantly to a championship contentder?There's an instant contributor.
White another nice game in a win.
25 pts. on 9/15. 2-4 from 3, 5-6 FTs. 3 RBs, 5 AS, 1 BS, 1 ST, 3 TO
That's so 8:15.
Yep. Scouts love his all-around game and he's improved every year, but his numbers suggest he's too passive. He doesn't have to be a primary option on a championship-calibur team....at least not right away. His "game" fits the Spurs need of a long 3 that can play the small-ball 4 (what he does mostly now). He rebounds and can defend the perimeter as well as inside. He's very good at passing (goes good with unselfishness) and has been improving his outside shot/free throws (development suggests the capacity for future learning).
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