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[sprrs]

Up yours. Thanks to that WC championship banner we hung up back in November, we've now got more banners hanging in the rafters at the AAC than NBA championship banners you have hanging in the SBC - four!

Spurs fan?

THere's no way a Mavs fan can be this re ed.

[RonMexico]

No matter how second rate JT is, he still has more W's this season than Nash. Any way, what was the reason the Suns traded Nash and Kidd away? The Mavs traded Kidd away because they had stupid ownership by the name of Ross Perot Jr. Just a question.

Suns traded Nash away because they already had Kidd and didn't feel Nash was going to "develop into anything spectacular." In fact, Nash was booed early in his career in Dallas before evolving and becoming a fan favorite.

Suns then traded Kidd away because of a domestic violence issue with his wife (apparently, he spit french fries in her face and then slapped her... the story is all over the forum now that Kidd has filed for divorce). Story is, when you get on Jerry Colangelo's bad side, you're shipped out of town. That's why Kidd was gone - that's why Barkley was gone. Kidd for Marbury trade killed me when they announced it... it was almost as bad as the Rick Robey for Dennis Johnson trade (he was a good Suns defender... haha) that helped the Celts win some les. Word is that DJ and Colangelo didn't like each other, so he was gone too.

All of this stems from when the franchise almost had to fold in the 1980s because of a large drug scandal and death of former player Johnny High, who was killed while driving under the influence. Colangelo bought the whole franchise personally and made it his mission to clean up the team. After revamping the whole team and getting 28 wins, he quickly traded for Kevin Johnson and the rest is history...

I don't know why we're really fighting about this - our favorite teams (along with the Lakers and Spurs) are in the top 4 all time in terms of winning percentage. We should be ganging up on these jump-start bag Mav fans.

[RonMexico]

I have never seen a whinier piece of on this forum than you. You are the biggest, most faced worthless piece of on this forum. quit ing so ing much.

Um, that er started it - without backing up any of his statements. At least I have FT attempt stats on my side, which is what you and other Mavs fans have used against D-Wade and Stern since June 2006.

Secondly, wait until Dirk posts on this forum, then you'll have a whinier piece of to complain about.

[stretch]

Um, that er started it - without backing up any of his statements. At least I have FT attempt stats on my side, which is what you and other Mavs fans have used against D-Wade and Stern since June 2006.

Secondly, wait until Dirk posts on this forum, then you'll have a whinier piece of to complain about.

that Dirk poster is a joke. he messes around on purpose to be annoying and ignorant for the fun of it. you on the other hand, are simply annoying and ignorant, period. and you can read every single post that i have ever posted here. not once, did i make an excuse for the Mavs losing in the finals other than the fact that they played like , and ed up at the times they needed plays the most. was officiating bad? if you watch the replays, any ing moron knows the answer to that. however, officiating had NOTHING to do with the Mavs ing up. no matter how the officiating was, the Mavs could have, and really should have won that series. they clearly were the better team. The Heat played out of their minds, while the Mavs played like absolute , and they still could only squeak by the Mavs, and then there was obviously quite a bit of controversy as well. If the Mavs simply played average, they would have beat the Heat. anyone that knows a damn thing about basketball knows that. but the fact is, they didnt make the plays they needed to make, and therefore lost. and you have NO right whatsoever to take shots at the Mavs in the finals. last i checked, the Suns havent even made the finals since 1993, and dont have any championships to speak of either (unless they have some dumb one, like the Kings have one from back when they were the Rochester Royals in 1950 or something like that, that dumb kings fans are so proud of, and think it merits them talking all kinds of ).

[stretch]

I don't know why we're really fighting about this - our favorite teams (along with the Lakers and Spurs) are in the top 4 all time in terms of winning percentage. We should be ganging up on these jump-start bag Mav fans.

hmm, how true. unfortunately, those wins dont mean a damn thing unless you have a le to back it up with. teams like the Lakers and Spurs can talk about that. the Suns cant. either way, using championships to talk is a very weak insult. all it shows is the absolute lack of basketball knowledge that the person has.

[RonMexico]

hmm, how true. unfortunately, those wins dont mean a damn thing unless you have a le to back it up with. teams like the Lakers and Spurs can talk about that. the Suns cant. either way, using championships to talk is a very weak insult. all it shows is the absolute lack of basketball knowledge that the person has.

Mavs just have the best record in the NBA and you have anointed them 2007 Champs already with the majority of your posts... therefore, why can't I use their stellar regular season records since 1968 to argue that they are the better franchise overall? Seems to be congruous to me because you to me that the Suns don't have les and then you say that using "championships to talk is a very weak insult" when the MAVS DON'T HAVE A LE EITHER!

So, basically you're using 2 years of the Mavs being tops in the NBA (record-wise) to say they should be the 2007 champs, and I'm simply using 38 years of the Suns being much better than the Mavs to prove I'd rather cheer for a consistent winner than be some bandwagon fan.

[Greg Oden]

RonMexico showing his italian anger

[RonMexico]

RonMexico showing his italian anger

Greg, you're 40 years old... how else do I deal with idiots?

[ponky]

dang, you two are still at it...btw, ronmexico he's right, you are one whiny fan...and you're right, nash still doesn't get the calls which is why i'm glad he's gone...he doesn't *work* it and that's his own fault, the league is not going to change so quit ing already

[RonMexico]

dang, you two are still at it...btw, ronmexico he's right, you are one whiny fan...and you're right, nash still doesn't get the calls which is why i'm glad he's gone...he doesn't *work* it and that's his own fault, the league is not going to change so quit ing already

I can't believe you're defending stretch... here's to hoping the Mavs go down to the Lakers again this week to bring you back to reality.

[SoCal Lakeshow]

I can't believe you're defending stretch... here's to hoping the Mavs go down to the Lakers again this week to bring you back to reality.

Everybody's a Laker fan now.

[ponky]

I can't believe you're defending stretch... here's to hoping the Mavs go down to the Lakers again this week to bring you back to reality.

I'm not defending stretch, I'm agreeing with him that you are one whiny little when it comes to officiating, it's sad and hilarious at the same time. Go ahead and root for the Lakers, oooh I'm scared. Even if the Mavs lose, I'm not going to and whine like you, twit.

[ponky]

Everybody's a Laker fan now.

LMFAO, he's a Suns fan, don't clap for him, he probably laughed when Raja clotheslined your boy Kobe in the playoffs last season.

[SoCal Lakeshow]

LMFAO, he's a Suns fan, don't clap for him, he probably laughed when Raja clotheslined your boy Kobe in the playoffs last season.

I laughed when Dallas beat them.

[ponky]

I laughed when Dallas beat them.

[SoCal Lakeshow]

[RonMexico]

I'm not defending stretch, I'm agreeing with him that you are one whiny little when it comes to officiating, it's sad and hilarious at the same time. Go ahead and root for the Lakers, oooh I'm scared. Even if the Mavs lose, I'm not going to and whine like you, twit.

I'm sorry - the precedent of ing about officials was set by Spurs in second round of 2006 WCSF and then trumped by the Mavs fans in 2006 Finals. Please don't make me search those countless threads and bring to light every "conspiracy theory" or " Stern" or "D-Wade has shot the most FTs in the past 3 years..." that was posted since June.

I simply don't like someone coming out and saying (incorrectly) that Nash gets calls on the offensive end (*cough* CelticPride) and then hypocrite (stretch) comes out and acts like his profanity-laced posts are gospel. Stretch will change his argument from day-to-day and add as many " you's" " wads" or " sniffers" to his posts to make it more emphatic. I've never seen someone make an argument and then blast non-Mavs fans who use his same reasoning.

I simply say Dirk gets a lot of calls, Nash gets none - D-Wade's performance last year was karma, based on "bear-hug" bull of the Semi's.

Lastly, you're even a hypocrite for calling me out after saying that "it took D-Wade 13 FTs to get his points to Kobe's 3." At least I'm up front by saying, "Dirk's a flopper," while you try to veil it in some kind of comparison about D-Wade/Kobe FT attempts. Kobe just wasn't a good enough actor tonight... he also got away with a charge at the end of regulation.

And yes, I did laugh and get angry when Raja took Kobe down. I've metioned that I like and respect the smart, friendly, articulate Kobe (like the one in the post-game interview) and not the brash, finger-wagging, "I don't know this kid," adulterer Kobe - which is the one who was out in force during the First Round last year.

[ponky]

yeah yeah yeah, stop ing for a second and give me your opinion about this RonMexico

my bf and i were disagreeing about the whole LT/dance thing, i think it was fine to celebrate and the bf doesn't so i compared what the pats did to what darrell armstrong did when the mavs beat the suns last season in the playoffs. remember when tim thomas did his hand over the face gesture in game five and mouthed some crap to dirk? well, during the second half when it became apparent that the mavs would win and dirk scored a ridiculous number of points, darrell armstrong was laughing and taunting tim thomas with the hand over the face gesture. would you agree that this is kind of the same thing the pats did to the chargers by doing the merriman dance after winning? i say yes but my bf is a huge mavs homer (worse than me!) and won't admit it

[ponky]

I'm sorry - the precedent of ing about officials was set by Spurs in second round of 2006 WCSF and then trumped by the Mavs fans in 2006 Finals. Please don't make me search those countless threads and bring to light every "conspiracy theory" or " Stern" or "D-Wade has shot the most FTs in the past 3 years..." that was posted since June.

I simply don't like someone coming out and saying (incorrectly) that Nash gets calls on the offensive end (*cough* CelticPride) and then hypocrite (stretch) comes out and acts like his profanity-laced posts are gospel. Stretch will change his argument from day-to-day and add as many " you's" " wads" or " sniffers" to his posts to make it more emphatic. I've never seen someone make an argument and then blast non-Mavs fans who use his same reasoning.

I simply say Dirk gets a lot of calls, Nash gets none - D-Wade's performance last year was karma, based on "bear-hug" bull of the Semi's.

Lastly, you're even a hypocrite for calling me out after saying that "it took D-Wade 13 FTs to get his points to Kobe's 3." At least I'm up front by saying, "Dirk's a flopper," while you try to veil it in some kind of comparison about D-Wade/Kobe FT attempts. Kobe just wasn't a good enough actor tonight... he also got away with a charge at the end of regulation.

haha, you're so full of with this karma bull . anyway, i will agree that nash STILL does not get any calls but at least part of the reason is that he doesn't *look* for calls like manu, dirk, wade, duncan. he's a purist and just plays the game, doesn't really go out of his way to try and work the foul too much by throwing his arms out or falling down or whatever...so until he does learn to work it a bit you can just keep on ing about how everyone else should clean up their act so you're guy doesn't look like the odd man out when it comes to fouls calls...i remember this all too well, the frustration when it came to dirk and nash not being able to get any calls, thanks god nash is gone and dirk has learned to adjust...anyway, guys like dirk and ginobili flop and get calls going their way but it's a lot less than wade who looks like he's incurred an injury every five minutes

Actually, I don't always think about the Mavs when watching matchups of other teams so don't leap to conclusions that by commenting on tonight's game I was really trying to cover Dirk's ass, what a lame assumption. Did you even watch the game? Kobe didn't have to act because he wasn't so bust taking all the shots tonight and when he did take shots he was obviously not concerned about getting the and one. Way to focus in on the one call that went Kobe's way, undercutting should be rewarded with a charge.

[SoCal Lakeshow]

Kobe just wasn't a good enough actor tonight... he also got away with a charge at the end of regulation.

And yes, I did laugh and get angry when Raja took Kobe down. I've metioned that I like and respect the smart, friendly, articulate Kobe (like the one in the post-game interview) and not the brash, finger-wagging, "I don't know this kid," adulterer Kobe - which is the one who was out in force during the First Round last year.

Come on that wasn't a charge it was a good no call. If anything it was a block, but I would have been upset if they called it at the end of the game. Good no call.

But Kobe's brash, finger-wagging at ude is what makes him so good. If he didn't have it he wouldn't be as good as he is.

[ponky]

Come on that wasn't a charge it was a good no call. If anything it was a block, but I would have been upset if they called it at the end of the game. Good no call.

But Kobe's brash, finger-wagging at ude is what makes him so good. If he didn't have it he wouldn't be as good as he is.

see i told you RonMexico is a whiny who laughed when kobe got clotheslined. i will be rooting for the Lakers to beat those Suns down whenever you meet up with them again! goodnight and good luck on wednesday! (for obvious reasons i can't say good luck for thursday but still, i hope it's a good game)

[SoCal Lakeshow]

see i told you RonMexico is a whiny who laughed when kobe got clotheslined. i will be rooting for the Lakers to beat those Suns down whenever you meet up with them again! goodnight and good luck on wednesday! (for obvious reasons i can't say good luck for thursday but still, i hope it's a good game)

Goodnight and good luck on days you're not facing the Lakeshow. Don't forget to sport your Laker shirt against the Spurs.

[RonMexico]

yeah yeah yeah, stop ing for a second and give me your opinion about this RonMexico

my bf and i were disagreeing about the whole LT/dance thing, i think it was fine to celebrate and the bf doesn't so i compared what the pats did to what darrell armstrong did when the mavs beat the suns last season in the playoffs. remember when tim thomas did his hand over the face gesture in game five and mouthed some crap to dirk? well, during the second half when it became apparent that the mavs would win and dirk scored a ridiculous number of points, darrell armstrong was laughing and taunting tim thomas with the hand over the face gesture. would you agree that this is kind of the same thing the pats did to the chargers by doing the merriman dance after winning? i say yes but my bf is a huge mavs homer (worse than me!) and won't admit it

Well, here's the deal - everyone, from the coaching staff to the real fans (aka me), wanted Thomas to stop that hand in the face B.S. from the start. Most of that is because we can differentiate the "calm, collected" Thomas who hits a 3 against the Lakers to save the season from the "calm, and very lazy" Thomas who grabs only one rebound in Game 2 against the Mavs and misses a bunch of 3's that cost the Suns a chance at going up 2-0. That said, I think he took it upon himself to add some swagger to the team, since they were called "soft" throughout the whole year and especially in the Lakers series. I thought it was awesome when he called Dirk a "big ass pussy" and blew the kiss because that was the type of at ude the Suns had been missing for years. After Dirk dropped 50, I wasn't so happy he did it to set Dirk off.

Still, to answer your question, I didn't take the Darrell Armstrong mocking to be all that bad because (a) it wasn't the deciding game of the series, (b) Armstrong is a veteran who has paid a lot of dues over the years and always played hard, and (c) I wanted Thomas to get mocked for awkening the 50-pt beast.

It's very ironic to me that posters like dirk4mvp think Suns fans have a huge attachment to Tim Thomas and continue to make fun of us because of what he did. I like him for the shots he hit and the fact that he added a very cheap big body at the end of the season for a depleted Suns front line. Secondly, it was in a contract year, so we all knew he was going to play harder to pull a Jerome James and get someone to pay him a lot of money over the summer. Third, I knew he was a funny guy with some playoff experience, so chemistry-wise he would be a good fit.

However, none of that meant I was extremely upset to see him go this summer because he played lazy defense and got in foul trouble sometimes, didn't crash the boards hard, and took ill-advised shots rather than play the typical Suns' unselfish style of play. He'll always hold a place in Suns history for his shot against the Lakers, but other than, that - he falls into the category of Sam Cassell, Robert Horry and Chucky Brown: talented, but not quite the fit for a long haul.

Now, to further the comparison with the Chargers/Pats game, I maintain that I don't think Armstrong making fun was quite the same because (as I said) it was only game 5. However, I feel the ucontested, rubbing-it-in dunk with about 1 second left by Adrian Griffin in Game 6 last year is akin to the Pat's dancing on the logo. Even the typically clueless Phoenix crowd started booing when that dunk went down because the game was already in hand and players at the other end of the floor started congratulating each other.

(Side note: I became really offended last year when Mavs' fans started blasting our fans because they thought they were being poor sports and booing the Mavs when they were in fact booing Griffin's unsportsmanlike dunk... the people that angered me even more were the fans who tried to deny Griffin even did it! I think Leonard used the term, "Griff is a vet; he would never do that." I'm curious if Griffin is gone because Avery saw that and wouldn't stand for it.)

Anyways, back on topic - I think since that dunk came in a deciding game and was unsportsmanlike, it is more like the Pats tramping/dancing on the Chargers' logo in an elimination game and more equal in terms of showing the other team up. I only wish LT were on the Suns to body check Griffin and then call him out in the press conference. Still, Griffin is wasting his days away in Toronto, so there's a little bit of justice there. Now, if Griffin had dunked it and done the Thomas hand wave, then there'd be no contest... haha.

[RonMexico]

Actually, I don't always think about the Mavs when watching matchups of other teams so don't leap to conclusions that by commenting on tonight's game I was really trying to cover Dirk's ass, what a lame assumption. Did you even watch the game? Kobe didn't have to act because he wasn't so bust taking all the shots tonight and when he did take shots he was obviously not concerned about getting the and one. Way to focus in on the one call that went Kobe's way, undercutting should be rewarded with a charge.

I'm not saying you're protecting Dirk, I'm just saying you're using the Kobe/Wade FT comparison to shed more light on FT injustice in the league. Kobe was acting a lot and not getting the calls. Kobe did care about the and 1, and was often on the ground with his hands raised to the officials or giving them a piece of his mind. Doug Collins even mentioned that Kobe was getting rattled and picked up a foul against Wade because Kobe was concerned too much about the calls he wasn't getting at the other end. The most obvious one was when Wade ran at him and stole the ball and Kobe threw his arms in the air and didn't even bother to run back on D.

When he manned up in OT, the whistles went his way and the game was theirs. Even Sager said, "I don't want to bait you into a fine, but you looked like you were getting frustrated with the lack of calls out there..."

[RonMexico]

And Dirk's rolling ankle routine is just as bad as the "Wade acts injured routine"