Nazr is probably slower than Rasho. That's just slow.
He's just not that talented by NBA standards. He's horrible at setting picks, misses most of his rotations, has horrible hands, can't defend without reaching in. To me he's a 7/6 talent.
That all being said, Nazr and Rasho might be more talented than Oberto and ElsonI wish we could take a couple things from each of them and build a basketball player. But hey, every position on your team doesn't need to be a superstar. At this point, I don't care that much about Rasho and Nazr and wish them both the best. Nazr contributed some and Rasho was a good defender for San Antonio and good guy. At this point, I just want Oberto/Elson to eventually combine for 15/15, play good D (not really going to happen with Elson) and be utilized.
19 minutes per game is why he doesn't average it. You're also making a common mistake that talent always translates into production. The NBA byways are littered with busted careers of talented individuals that didn't produce for one reason or another.
Exactly!!! Great point. He has NEVER had a reputation of not being a hardworker, nor did he have that in San Antonio. Second, he is never going to get 20pts a night in Detroit, just like he would have NEVER averged 20pts in the offense that the Spurs run. 10 boards, I'll give you that...but 20pts a night is laughable.
I think you're making the mistake of assuming that most NBA careers don't make it due to reasons other than those players simply not being talented enough.
Anyhow, the level of someones talent is incredibly subjective in the end so we could go round and round. Nazr is what he is, and he sucks.
We can agree on that.Nazr is what he is, and he sucks.
Oh, and one more thing: he's struggled in SA and Detroit, two of the most meticulous and detailed teams that actually have offensive and defensive plays. He's done well when allowed to run up and down the court and react, like the 11/8 he averaged in 28 minutes under Herb Williams in NY. I think it's just a lack of smarts thing, myself. When he doesn't know the plays, his whole game suffers. Call it pressing, or whatever.
I'll repeat what others have already said...
Pistons are playing Dale because they want to showcase him. If the Pistons sign Webber they need to move a big man. Nazr hasn't lost his starting role yet.
"that muslim guy"
hmm, there's a LOT of very nasty history, recent and ancient, in the Balkans with one side being Muslim.
Balkans = collision point/bleeding edge between European Christians and Asian Muslims
That's the killer. When he's on the floor, in spite of his flaws he's productive enough; it's not bad having a starting center who can score for a change. But he's a foul-machine under the basket; if he could correct that, his minutes wouldn't be an issue.
No, that wasn't it. Your politicaly correct asses needed some spanking. I brought up muslims, since its obvious that he was even marketed as Malik's replacement (also a muslim). I haven't got anything against them and I have to say I have great relationships with all sorts of people. Wouldn't want to make Slovenia to nice for all of you, but we are hardly in the Balkans. (that muslim-orto-catholic brawl goes from Bosnia to Turkey)
Nazr's game against the Suns was the core of any theme in the Nazr/Rasho debate. (people were entirely for NAZR (don't give me lies about that). For Rasho, there were Slovenes and a FEW-not even most- informed posters. That was it.
Ploto was right to declare a winner in that debate. It was us. Not even Rasho ladies wanted to admit that now. (defence-defense debate: These are geographical differences and have nothing to do with ignorance)
Spurs are going to fix themselves and be a champion with Elson as the next great piece of the puzzle. That is all that matters in the future.
If you don't get help at Charter, please get help somewhere.
STFU boutons_
Just remember your past relations with native Americans or black slaves or your war with Mexico (not to mantion THE WALL)...There was A LOT of blood shared too.
Every nation in the world has their ups and downs, so donīt talk political here in sports forums.
Malik's Muslim?
I think Zeleni meant that Nazr was marketed as Malik's replacement and also as a Muslim.
Although the only references I remember to Nazr being Muslim is when they talked about his fasting during training camp.
How'd our boy Rasho do against the Mavs yesterday? Did he show us the big mistake Pop made not playing him more in the WC semi-finals last year?
http://www.nba.com/games/20070114/DALTOR/boxscore.html
16:21 minutes-2 points, 2 rebounds, and steal and a blocked shot
that's a good point. some NHL goalies work on their hands with coordination activities. Someone give Nazr Patrick Roy's number...
In related news...
Makes sense with Webber signing.DETROIT - Whether Timberwolves swingman Marko Jaric recently asked owner Glen Taylor to be traded or not -- a matter of some dispute within the team's ranks Sunday -- the underachieving point guard-turned-pricey backup might be packing after all.
The Wolves have been talking with the Detroit Pistons about a deal that could send Jaric to Motown, with one of several big men -- Nazr Mohammed, Antonio McDyess or Dale Davis -- heading to Minnesota.
Sources familiar with the negotiations told the Star Tribune late Sunday night that the trade talks could yield a deal within days. The Pistons, whom the Wolves face today in a Martin Luther King holiday matinee at the Palace of Auburn Hills and again at Target Center on Friday, are eager to open a spot in their rotation for former Philadelphia power forward Chris Webber...
Mohammed ($5.215 million this season) and McDyess ($5.88 million) have salaries that fit best with Jaric ($5.525) this season for NBA salary-matching rules regarding trades.
http://www.startribune.com/511/story/936610.html
What is this "Charter" you are talking about?
I still think ladies are the best part of this forum, so let us not fight.
Sometimes people could just say: "Good point." This debate about former Spurs centers is just not civil.
Last edited by zeleni; 01-15-2007 at 03:46 PM.
Congratulations. You've just elevated yourself to Complete ing Moron status.
It's a psychiatric hospital.What is this "Charter" you are talking about?
Zeleni, that was a moronic thing to say.
So Nazr was being mistreated because he was a muslim?
Mistreated?
Can you please tell me how was he mistreated? I heard no one talking about him being a victim of anything. Just as no one said Rasho was a victim. I was talking about him being marketed. Used. Unless you think that is a bad thing and do not wear Spurs jerseys...
And you are a politicaly correct moron if you try to make his religion more of an political issue as just a marketing ploy. Rasho was being bashed...Nazr and his awkward hands were applauded, since he stood under the basket just looking for some junk. I was sick of it. What was the reason he seemed acceptable...? Suddenly team basketball just wasn't a value anymore with the fans.
He was like Malik, and a pretty bad version of Malik at that, but you loved him for it.
And who cares what you think about my mental abbilities...
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