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I thought we basicly just picked whoever Phx wanted, b.c of a previous deal.
They wanted Barbosa so thats who we drafed and then sent him on his way...
we can argue this, but it's a diversion
Time to fire the person responsible for the mess. btw, don't forget the nocionni fiasco which Kori already stated was Buford's responsibility.So what? It's done. What good is ing doing? Is it bring them back? Are we getting a do-over if we post enough?
Living off the fruits of the past. It will all come home to roost if nothing is done.He's not my friend, but yes, multiple championships are brutal. The horror.
be careful what you wish. With time you'll be wrong on this too. Remember you saying Scola sucked, you were wrong again.Between West and RC, I'm taking RC.
I thought we basicly just picked whoever Phx wanted, b.c of a previous deal.
They wanted Barbosa so thats who we drafed and then sent him on his way...
Actually it's simply true. Jerry West was possibly the worst example of a GM you could come up with in the past five years. I guess Zeke might be worse overall, but his draft picks were so much better than West's. Horrible. Much, much worse than RC.
You're seriously trying to characterize the Spurs' sustained excellence over the past decade as a mess?Time to fire the person responsible for the mess. btw, don't forget the nocionni fiasco which Kori already stated was Buford's responsibility.
Yeah, hiring Jerry West will solve everything.Living off the fruits of the past. It will all come home to roost if nothing is done.
I never said that. Why do you have to lie to make a point?be careful what you wish. With time you'll be wrong on this too. Remember you saying Scola sucked, you were wrong again.
simple question, has RC done a good job over the past 5 years? How would you rate his performance?
Too many Argies.
You want Sequ to die of a heart attack . . .?
Given the restraints of the luxury tax, he's done well enough. The thing I disagree with most is trading away the 1st rounders prematurely to clear cap space. I personally think those can be traded well into the free agency period.
Did Jerry West do a good job in Memphis?
I didn't say Buford was responsible for the Nocioni birthdate error. Sam Schuler (sp?) was responsible for that error and he was soon after out of the organization.
I did say that I understand that Pop/Duncan wanted Josh Howard and that RC didn't.
seriously, if you focus only on the misses, you could turn EVERY gm in the history of sports into a guy who should be out on street.
You could play "woulda coulda shoulda" with the history of every GM and every franchise. Yet, somehow, this terrible front office has brought 3 rings to the Spurs since the alleged "last good decision" (ie. Parker). Does that compute? No, it doesn't. You are completely ignoring all the good personnel decisions - the Nazr trade, Finley, Horry, Barry, Oberto, Ime, just off the top of my head.
Everyone can be made to look bad in hindsight and I think that's what this thread is about.
they've won on the strengths of old decisions...giving rc credit for tony, manu and tim is wrong. the question is...what has he done...as a GM...lately? our excellence has nothing to do with anything he's done. those decisions were done before he had the influence he has now. what has he done lately that will set us up for the next few years? nothing. we have a ton of old players who are done...who do we replace them with?
He got Duncan to sign a contract for less money after he was showed "the plan". Tim must have liked what he saw and I will trust in that.
what???? Sequ loves Manu!
The Spurs have built a multiple championship team in a small market while staying within the salary cap.
Yes. Clearly RC and the Spurs management suck ass. Good call!
Who shall we get for the Barbosa trade?Trade Barbosa to the Suns for a #1.
no, but giving him (and pop) credit for continually being able to surround those 3 with role players who can contribute on a championship level is not wrong. all while staying at or around the luxury tax - which, like it or not, is a constraint that any GM of this team will have to deal with.
Complaining about players that got away is fruitless at this point. If one wants to make an argument, then it should be about not getting more out of the players we DID have on the team. Not developing talent has become a small problem.
How can anyone say your GM hasn't been doing the job as of late? You giys have won 2 of the last 3 les!!!!
Some of y'all are severly discounting the importance of surrounding your star players with quality role players..which is a very crucial part of winning. I watched Rockets management waste 3/4 of Hakeem's career by surrounding him with scrubs, and I have watched us go 3 seasons with starters like Rafer Alston, Chuck Hayes and Juwon Howard. Older Spurs fans surely remember how management couldn't surround Robinson with enough for the majority of his career I assume? Getting players like Horry, Finley, etc is doing the job....especially when you are winning rings......
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BTW, wouldn't it be nice to have Josh Howard, Nocionni, and Scola on the team right now.
AT what cost, over Manu and Tony and there would be little to no role players on this team due to salary. There is more to look at than talent on this team. The prevailing argument to your take will always be scoreboard on a budget in the smallest market in the NBA. By the way how much hardware are these players carrying today. It would be a nice problem to have but how do you forsee paying timmy, tony, manu, howard, nocioni and scola.
I have trolled this site for many years but never wished to post. I have no insights into Spur's management so I don't know if each of you actually have money invested in the Spurs or whether this is some fantasy league do over.
I am old enough to remember the only pro basketball in the Arena was pre season NBA between Houston and L.A.(that was a horrible sight, our stadium filled with fans wearing those jerseys).
If you were part of the management team that rented the Dallas franchise for a year so San Antonio would have pro basketball, I want to thank you.
If you were part of the management team that signed George Gervin then went to court to keep his rights, I want to thank you.
If you were part of the management team that wheeled and dealed to get San Antonio into the NBA, you really screwed up. The owners of the St. Louis ABA franchise made millions by selling their city out. I'll bet it hurts the bottom line to write out annual checks to those St. Louis folks. Don't know when the St. Louis payments stopped but I want to thank you for thinking San Antonio first.
If you are/were part of the Spurs fan base that added to the team's unique character, THANK YOU.
If you are part of the current management team that forgot to schedule defensive driving lessons for Robert Javatokas (sp?), you really screwed up. Before the accident, he was going to be the big man replacement we always wanted.
If you are part of the current management team that facilitated the Barbosa trade, GREAT move; sorry it didn't work out. Seriously, the Spurs were never going to draft in the lottery or even the teens during the Duncan era. Phoenix was decidedly average during this time with a decidedly average coach in Frank Johnson. During Barbosa's rookie year, the Suns only won 29 games. The lottery protection clause kicked in but it was just a matter of time before their lottery pick would be ours and we would have our next vaunted big man. There was nothing to indicate D'Antoni would come in and win 62 games his first full year. What ever happened to that 1st round pick; did it go to the Knicks in the Butler deal?
Scola, Scola, Scola. He is really blossoming with Houston and I am happy for him. He really is coming into his own since Yao and Landry have been injured. Does that mean Tim would have had to suffer significant injury for Luis to come into his own as a Spur? If that is the case, I prefer Tim. I know Luis Scola said all the right things about limited minutes and being a back up, etc. He is to be commended for his public statements. During my career, I never saw anyone who had talent and was at the top of his/her career who was satisified with a role that did not fully utilize the person's talents. Did you ever know someone who was not hired because he/she was "overqualified for the job"? Just curious.
Thanks for letting me vent on this allergy induced, sleepless evening. GO SPURS!
Respectfully,
Never. They never stop.
J butler, F Elson, NVE were clearly some bad HR decision by RC but this may in turn due to owners' instruction.
RC, is this you?
too many apologies about Scola, and BTW just if you didn't noticed,Scola could've taken Oberto's or Thomas minutes not Duncan's.
Just imagine The Duncan/Scola tandem for a second dude,and try not to pi in your pants while doing it.
The Spurs are working toward 5 les in 10 yrs and most of you people are complaining like they have done nothing right.
God forbid that the internet and this forum would have been around in the 70's, 80's and early 90's. You would have wanted to trade Gervin in his prime because he had trade value.
Sit back and enjoy the championship ride a little, okay?
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