Meet Barack Obama

[ThomasGranger]

I see your point, Yoni, and even though I don't really agree I think we've monopolized this thread enough. So, I'd prefer to continue the race-in-political-advertising debate another day. I'm sure there will plenty of ads to pick apart if Obama makes it out of the primaries, probably even sooner than that.

[Yonivore]

Yoni, even with all you supposed condemnation of "playing the race card", you still seem quite satisfied with the characterizations the ford ad was clearly attempting to convey. It's also clear that if it benefits your position, then it's not crossing the line. I guess most of us are guilty of that, just not to your extent.

Yeah, because there are no attack ads run by Democrats that allege Republicans are evil, war-mongering, greedy, anti-environmental re s that want to kill all poor people and give everything to the oil companies.

Why is attacking a Playboy image somehow over the line? Family values is a big seller in politics.

[Yonivore]

I see your point, Yoni, and even though I don't really agree I think we've monopolized this thread enough. So, I'd prefer to continue the race-in-political-advertising debate another day. I'm sure there will plenty of ads to pick apart if Obama makes it out of the primaries, probably even sooner than that.

I can live with that. Cheers!

[clambake]

I take acception to the "kill all poor people" comment.

Hard to argue with the rest.

[Yonivore]

I take acception to the "kill all poor people" comment.

Hard to argue with the rest.

I seem to recall James Carville, in his hey day, implying that Republican policies on welfare reform would result in deaths...that Republicans were trying to kill poor people.

[Fillmoe]

barack holla!

[Yonivore]

I take acception to the "kill all poor people" comment.

Hard to argue with the rest.

Okay, not just poor people.

Ex-Clinton Aide Charges Republicans 'Want to Kill Us'

Republicans, he said, "want to kill us. See Video

"I was driving past the Pentagon when that plane hit" on Sept. 11, 2001. "I had friends on that plane; this is deadly serious to me," Begala said.

"They want to kill me and my children if they can. But if they just kill me and not my children, they want my children to be comforted -- that while they didn't protect me because they cut my taxes, my children won't have to pay any money on the money they inherit," Begala said. "That is bulls*** national defense, and we should say that."

Which brings up an aside. Is Begala in on the BushCo Cabal that sent cruise missiles into the Pentagon? Now, I'm confused.

[ChumpDumper]

Really, I don't want to know anything about you personally, I don't think I could care any less.

Then quit asking personal questions about me.

[clambake]

I don't recall seeing that video (ad) run during primetime or any other time. The Ford ad was run for the consumption of primetime viewers, over and over and over again. To suggest they were of equal impact is ridiculous.

[Yonivore]

Then quit asking personal questions about me.

Okay. So, why the reference to sexuality?

[ChumpDumper]

It was a joke.

[Yonivore]

It was a joke.

Yeah, you've said that. What made sexuality crucial to the joke?

[ChumpDumper]

Crucial? Nothing. If you didn't find it funny or can't understand why it would be a joke, that's your problem.

If you want to accuse me of being a phobe, quit being a coward and just say it.

[Yonivore]

Crucial? Nothing. If you didn't find it funny or can't understand why it would be a joke, that's your problem.

If you want to accuse me of being a phobe, quit being a coward and just say it.

I don't want to get personal. I'm just trying to figure out why comparing Abraham Lincoln's alleged sexuality with Barak Obama's confessed drug use is funny?

Anybody want to help Chump out? He seems reluctant to explain himself.

[ChumpDumper]

Of course you want to get personal.

I'm just trying to figure out why comparing Abraham Lincoln's alleged sexuality with Barak Obama's confessed drug use is funny?

Of course you do. It's burning you up inside.

If that's the case, it's more fun to not tell you.

[ChumpDumper]

Actually, I was just illustrating how people like you attempt bait people into traps where the term phobe starts getting tossed around.

When you have a secret agenda, it's best not to state the secret agenda and then try to continue posting as if the agenda is still a secret.

[Yonivore]

When you have a secret agenda, it's best not to state the secret agenda and then try to continue posting as if the agenda is still a secret.

Well, you were the one challenging me to call you a phobe. Seems to prove my point.

Are you going to just keep ignoring the question? Why is it funnY?

[Yonivore]

Of course you want to get personal.

Seriously, I don't.

Of course you do. It's burning you up inside.

If that's the case, it's more fun to not tell you.

I don't think you have an answer.

[ChumpDumper]

No I was the one calling you a coward. Since you admitted to your secret agenda, trying to play off like you didn't is pretty stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think you have an answer.

So, why are you asking?

[ChumpDumper]

My answer is: I thought it might piss off Buck Rogers beacuse he is an admitted phobe.

Earthshattering, I know.

[Yonivore]

My answer is: I thought it might piss off Buck Rogers beacuse he is an admitted phobe.

Earthshattering, I know.

So, you were baiting. Okay, thanks for confirming my su ions.

I believe the same dynamic is at work when people see racism in the Willie Horton and Ford ads.

[ChumpDumper]

Wow, you couldn't tell?

That figures.

[ChumpDumper]

I believe the same dynamic is at work when people see racism in the Willie Horton and Ford ads.

Nah, the same dynamic is at work when racists like those ads.

[Yonivore]

Nah, the same dynamic is at work when racists like those ads.

I agree. But, that doesn't mean the ad was intended to be racist.

Race-baiters hope to lure the Buck Rogers of the world into saying something stupid about an ad that wasn't intended, by the producer, to be racist. The baiter then uses the Buck Rogers response to validate that their su ion was right, the ad is racist. And, voila! You have articles claiming that "critics" believe the Corker ad is racist.

Nevermind the denials of those who made the ad. Nevermind the position of people, like me, who simply saw an attack ad that was portraying Ford as a playboy.

Sincerely, I appreciate you demonstrating the dynamic so vividly and honestly.

And, as for you other comment. I had it figured out but, without an admission from you, this post wouldn't have been possible. You were pretty evasive about owning up to it as it was, I can only imagine how the thread would have evolved if I'd of come out and accused you of it outright.