Respect...

[TonyParkerSux]

I am not convinced.

Nobody should have to convince you. Can you think of another 1 in the West that plays good D?

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Nobody should have to convince you. Can you think of another 1 in the West that plays good D?

lol, dont ask him that. he may actually have the balls to say Tony Parker.

[TonyParkerSux]

lol, dont ask him that. he may actually have the balls to say Tony Parker.

LOL. That's just it. There are not really any 1's in the west that play solid D. Harris may not be the best lock down defender that the position has ever seen (although I think that he is very good), but he is the best defensive 1 in the West by default. There are really no other legit candidates. Also, I think that on the Mavs, Terry's defense is a little underrated.

[jmard5]

You have your own opinions, I have mine. I base them on what I see on the court.

Lockdown defender? Best defensive by default? Harris' defense is overrated.

[TonyParkerSux]

You have your own opinions, I have mine. I base them on what I see on the court.

Lockdown defender? Best defensive by default? Harris' defense is overrated.

So what is your opinion? Who is the best if Harris is not? His defense can be both... overrated and the best of the current West point gaurds.

It's not really opinion as much as fact. Until someone can name a better defensive point gaurd in the West, Harris is it.

[jmard5]

For true point guards, sorry man, no one. They are all in the east.

[Flintstones32]

Well if you go by stats then Rafer Alston is the best defensive PG in the West. Most steals and rebounds by a PG, plus 27 less fouls than Harris but plays over 10 min more a game.


Now, who here really believes he's a better defender than Harris? It's all a matter of opinion, stats really don't show how good a defensive guard is. I haven't watched many mavs or rockets games, so I can't say who is the best, but I am pretty sure it's not about stats.


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[mabber]

Cutting somebody off (blocking foul, btw) and then flopping like you've just been hit with an elbow by Kobe... that's what "cheap D" is. That's about the extent of his defense: get muscled around by everyone and then resort to wimpy-ass tactics.

Whatever he does, it's effective and that's all that really matters.

[TonyParkerSux]

For true point guards, sorry man, no one. They are all in the east.

That's true. Billups and Kidd are excellent, and there are a few that are at least as good as Harris.

[jmard5]

That's true. Billups and Kidd are excellent.

Well, it is good that we are on the same page on this one.

[RonMexico]

Harris - http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3822

Watson - http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3549

A 0.1 difference in rebonding and steals, but Watson also plays 2 more minutes a game. They are basically identical. But I will take Harris. He is much better at drawing charges, and is a bigger, more versatile defender.

Thank you - I don't trust someone who makes claims without do entation

[mardigan]

There might not be many better on d than Harris from the point position, but as far as being a point, there are plenty better than him

[RonMexico]

Jason Terry: "Steve Nash is the best defensive point guard in the league... at least for 2 seconds while he bounces a steal off my leg."

[RonMexico]

Harris will also drive into the lane, barrel into his defender (who is in good defensive position), makes contact and will somehow attempt to try to hoist a shot while he goes down. Whistle. Foul on the defender. He initiates contact and refs are suckered to call a foul.

That's what makes the charges he takes so frustrating: the fact that he gets away with even cheaper stuff on the offensive end.

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That's what makes the charges he takes so frustrating: the fact that he gets away with even cheaper stuff on the offensive end.

Don't blame the player, they're taught to do that. I don't blame D.Wade or the 100 other smart players for doing that, just the refs for calling it on the defense.

[RonMexico]

Don't blame the player, they're taught to do that. I don't blame D.Wade or the 100 other smart players for doing that, just the refs for calling it on the defense.

Oh, I still blame the refs, but that doesn't change what Harris is all about... that make sense?

[mabber]

Harris is effective on most guards as he is quick to anticipate where the guards will go. He will cut the lane, and at the least amount of contact will flop. Seen that many times.

Harris will also drive into the lane, barrel into his defender (who is in good defensive position), makes contact and will somehow attempt to try to hoist a shot while he goes down. Whistle. Foul on the defender. He initiates contact and refs are suckered to call a foul.

Maybe he watched film on Manu to learn that. Once again, the players are taught to do that so the ones that don't initiate the contact are the "slow learners"

[mabber]

Oh, I still blame the refs, but that doesn't change what Harris is all about... that make sense?

I question the players that don't do this. If you can get cheap calls that way why wouldn't you? If you're coached to do this when you have the opportunity, why wouldn't you do it?

[mardigan]

Williams isnt bad, Roy isnt bad, and Chris Paul is pretty good, but none of them are as good as Harris, although I would take every one of them over Harris

[jmard5]

Maybe he watched film on Manu to learn that. Once again, the players are taught to do that so the ones that don't initiate the contact are the "slow learners"

The difference is, Manu actually drives into the lane to get a layup. Though his shots are oftentimes awkward, he does it to get better anlges for his shot attempts.

With Harris, he just wants to make body contact and hopes the refs bail him out.

[mabber]

The difference is, Manu actually drives into the lane to get a layup. Though his shots are oftentimes awkward, he does it to get better anlges for his shot attempts.

With Harris, he just wants to make body contact and hopes the refs bail him out.

If that were true, then Harris wouldn't make as many layups as he does (and he gets a lot of layups).

[Lp26]

Harris flops, but he also takes a large number of legit charges as well.

and being a detroit fan, you of all people should know that people that flop, are typically the best defenders. not because they know how to flop, but because they understand what they can, and cant get away with defensively. remember Rodman? Laimbeer? please stop whining and shut the up.

Thanks for reinforcing my belief that a majority of Mav's fans are jackasses.

[monosylab1k]

Thanks for reinforcing my belief that a majority of Mav's fans are jackasses.

Have fun crying about what big jackasses we are as you get pounded by Miami in the playoffs.

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Thanks for reinforcing my belief that a majority of Mav's fans are jackasses.

which has absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with the topic of debate. thanks for reinforcing my belief that you are absolutely and utterly ignoarant on this topic and are simply speaking out of your ass.

[Leetonidas]

Ok I just looked at Watson and Harris stats

and they were almost identical, except that Harris is in the top 4 in TO's by taking a charge, Watson is not even listed in the top 30.



But if that helps you sleep at night...

Um, if you knew jack about basketball, you'd know good defense isn't just forcing TO's and flopping all over the place. Bowen is a great defender and his stats are not very good in steals, rebounds, blocks, or anything.