Our big 3 vs Mavs big 3

[upTD]

Top 6 combined for both teams.
1. Dirk
2. Duncan
3. Ginobili
4. Howard
5. Parker
6. Terry/Harris. They are about the same.

1. Dirk
2. Duncan
3. Howard
4. Parker
5. Ginobili
6. Terry/Harris. They are about the same.

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[Amarelooms]

It's really too hard to compare the players straight up against one another - they play different styles. Spurs win when they are able to slow the pace down and play good transition D, keep the other team from getting into a rhythem and from getting easy buckets. Mavs win when the Spurs aren't hitting shots, aren't playing good D, and are allowed to find their groove.

1. Duncan is the best player in the NBA, so better than anyone on the Mavs.
2. Dirk is in the top 3 best players in the NBA, so he's got to be #2.
3. Manu is the consummate playoff performer, plays great D, and is our second best playmaker.
4. Howard is the Mavs best defender, and their 2nd best player. So far we're coming up pretty even.
5. Parker is an underrated defender, faster than virtually anyone in the NBA, and a very good playmaker.
6. Terry is almost as good as Parker, but the verdict is still not out on his playoff performances, so Parker gets the nod above him. Still, we're basically even.
7. Devin Harris is the X-factor for the Mavs - we have to have a guy who can keep him out of his rhythem. And we do. We just have to show up.
8. Stackhouse/Finley - both guys capable of pouring in 20 pts a night, but may or may not show up on any given night, esp when the pressure is on.
9. Bowen - not hear because of his O, obviously, but he has to rank in at least this high because he is so important - we have the power to shut down at least one player on any given night. The Mavs do not.
10. Elson/Dampier - on their good nights, they're pretty comparable, though they have different skillsets and styles, and both take nights off.
11. Horry/George - both capable of hitting big shots.

It's looking pretty even to me. I think it'll be a tough series, if the teams meet. I'd rather the Suns knock off the Mavs because the Suns would be an easier (though not EASY) match up for the Spurs.

Ummm if the Suns knock off the Mavs then it means the Spurs are already out lol. Gonna be Mavs vs Spurs/Suns winner in the WCF

[mardigan]

1. Duncan is the best player in the NBA, so better than anyone on the Mavs.

It's looking pretty even to me. I think it'll be a tough series, if the teams meet. I'd rather the Suns knock off the Mavs because the Suns would be an easier (though not EASY) match up for the Spurs.

I dont think Duncan is the best player in the league, definately top 5 though. And you realize that we are going to play the Suns in the 2nd round, so you last statment doesnt make any sense

[mabber]

It's really too hard to compare the players straight up against one another - they play different styles. Spurs win when they are able to slow the pace down and play good transition D, keep the other team from getting into a rhythem and from getting easy buckets. Mavs win when the Spurs aren't hitting shots, aren't playing good D, and are allowed to find their groove.

1. Duncan is the best player in the NBA, so better than anyone on the Mavs.
2. Dirk is in the top 3 best players in the NBA, so he's got to be #2.
3. Manu is the consummate playoff performer, plays great D, and is our second best playmaker.
4. Howard is the Mavs best defender, and their 2nd best player. So far we're coming up pretty even.
5. Parker is an underrated defender, faster than virtually anyone in the NBA, and a very good playmaker.
6. Terry is almost as good as Parker, but the verdict is still not out on his playoff performances, so Parker gets the nod above him. Still, we're basically even.
7. Devin Harris is the X-factor for the Mavs - we have to have a guy who can keep him out of his rhythem. And we do. We just have to show up.
8. Stackhouse/Finley - both guys capable of pouring in 20 pts a night, but may or may not show up on any given night, esp when the pressure is on.
9. Bowen - not hear because of his O, obviously, but he has to rank in at least this high because he is so important - we have the power to shut down at least one player on any given night. The Mavs do not.
10. Elson/Dampier - on their good nights, they're pretty comparable, though they have different skillsets and styles, and both take nights off.
11. Horry/George - both capable of hitting big shots.

It's looking pretty even to me. I think it'll be a tough series, if the teams meet. I'd rather the Suns knock off the Mavs because the Suns would be an easier (though not EASY) match up for the Spurs.

That's a decent breakdown although I don't think Duncan is the best player in NBA (but that's not important here). Also, I would take Stack over Finley at this stage of their careers.

Mavs won't play either the Suns or Spurs until the WCF's so if the Suns beat Dallas, the Spurs would already be home fishing.

[FromWayDowntown]

I dont think Duncan is the best player in the league, definately top 5 though.

I would generally agree with that, but would add this caveat:

I do think Duncan is the one player who can make the biggest difference on both ends of the court. Of the players in the league who can truly be dominant and difference-making on the defensive end for long stretches of playoff games, he's the only one (I think) who can be just as dominant and difference-making on the offensive end as well in that setting. I don't think that necessarily makes him the best player in the league, but it certainly means that he's a guy who can make a huge difference for his team at playoff time.

[TDMVPDPOY]

td/gino/tp = multiple rings between them

dirk/terry/howard = zero

damn i wish howard was on the spurs though, would solve the SF position....

[mabber]

td/gino/tp = multiple rings between them

dirk/terry/howard = zero

damn i wish howard was on the spurs though, would solve the SF position....

Doesn't Terry's national championship count for something

[FromWayDowntown]

Doesn't Terry's national championship count for something

About as much as the gold medals that Ginobili and Oberto have, I think.

Of course, as Mavs fans have pointed out with stunning regularity, nobody checks fingers for championship rings or asks to see MVP trophies in the 4th quarters of playoff games.

[TonyParkerSux]

About as much as the gold medals that Ginobili and Oberto have, I think.

Of course, as Mavs fans have pointed out with stunning regularity, nobody checks fingers for championship rings or asks to see MVP trophies in the 4th quarters of playoff games.

good point. as far as I am aware, the games are still decided by actually playing it out on the court. Reputations and past accomplishments won't get that defender out of anyon's face with 1 min left and down by two.....

[LongBall]

The number of rings doesn't matter for anything. The only thing that matters is that Dallas has the best players with the better legs who will win easily in the playoffs. No question.

[SpursDynasty]

Talking terms of who has been the best player this decade, it is:

Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan.

More achievements and contributions for their teams since the year 2000 than any other players.

The 3 best overall players this decade.

Best player right now who does the most for his team, not just individual stats: Steve Nash.

[TonyParkerSux]

Talking terms of who has been the best player this decade, it is:

Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan.

More achievements and contributions for their teams since the year 2000 than any other players.

The 3 best overall players this decade.

Best player right now who does the most for his team, not just individual stats: Steve Nash.

just an honest ? here.... If Nash/Suns continues to get tossed in the WC playoffs and never get a ring, does that diminish your opinion of whathe has done with Phoenix? I would probably say that it does not. Nash has done wonderful things with/for that team, but their style of play and lack of depth will never win them a ring...

[spursreport]

if your spursreport site is so great, when why are you posting here no one likes you here. all you do is post useless garbage. i hope someone bans your stupid ass. i dont think you have ever once posted something that actually contributed to the board.

Since you post and then contradict yourself, that can count as posts that is also useless garbage. It is a shame you cant get banned. Hypocritcal bull contributes nothing to the board either.

[1Parker1]

I don't think the Mavs "big 3" are all on 90% of the time. Howard seems to be the most inconsistent, and the most frustrating about him is he's great in the 1st quarter and not great in the 4th for some reason...

Stackhouse is really part of the "big 4" IMO...

That's very true. I was watching the Mavs vs Cavs game and they had the most interesting stat of all:

Josh Howard only averages about 3 Points in the 4th quarter of games this season. That's incredible considering how many points he averages overall.

And Stackhouse is the main killer. He's the ultimate 6th man, instant offense off the bench. Whenever the Mavs start off slow or sluggish all Avery has to do is insert Stackhouse and he scores and the rest of the Mavs catch up.

[1Parker1]

I think that almost every NBA coach would pick the Spurs Big 3 over the Mavs Big 3. Spurs have proven players who have shown they can each show up in the playoffs and in the clutch when it matters most at different points in their careers. Mavs big 3 still has yet to prove this. Regular season stat comparisons don't matter. Also Tim Duncan alone gives the Spurs Big Three an edge.

That being said, as everyone else mentioned, it's the rest of the Mavs team that is >>>>Spurs team, giving the Mavs the edge in a series.

[8-------]

I think that almost every NBA coach would pick the Spurs Big 3 over the Mavs Big 3. Spurs have proven players who have shown they can each show up in the playoffs and in the clutch when it matters most at different points in their careers. Mavs big 3 still has yet to prove this. Regular season stat comparisons don't matter.

That being said, as everyone else mentioned, it's the rest of the Mavs team that is >>>>Spurs team, giving the Mavs the edge in a series.

That's bs. The Mavs is better, but I'd take Kobe and a bunch of guys from the Y over either. Your crazy

[ShoogarBear]

That's bs. The Mavs is better, but I'd take Kobe and a bunch of guys from the Y over either. Your crazy

Well then, you should be very happy.

[SpursDynasty]

It's just like what I said:

In the NBA Finals, would you want Duncan, Ginobili, Parker....or Dirk, Terry, and Howard? One group is 2-0 in the Finals (dethroning the NBA champions themselves on the way to both championships), the other is 0-1 in the Finals.

Spurs Big 3 > Mavs Big 3
But Mavs bench > Spurs bench

[mavsfan1000]

The mavs top 4>spurs big 4 though. There's a big dropoff from the spurs 3rd best player and 4th. Harris and Terry are about the same. I'll give you the spurs top 3 are slightly better than the mavs.

[mabber]

About as much as the gold medals that Ginobili and Oberto have, I think.

Of course, as Mavs fans have pointed out with stunning regularity, nobody checks fingers for championship rings or asks to see MVP trophies in the 4th quarters of playoff games.

I know, I was just kidding.

[1Parker1]

The mavs top 4>spurs big 4 though. There's a big dropoff from the spurs 3rd best player and 4th. Harris and Terry are about the same. I'll give you the spurs top 3 are slightly better than the mavs.

This from someone who proclaimed Dirk>>>>>>>Kobe.

[mabber]

just an honest ? here.... If Nash/Suns continues to get tossed in the WC playoffs and never get a ring, does that diminish your opinion of whathe has done with Phoenix? I would probably say that it does not. Nash has done wonderful things with/for that team, but their style of play and lack of depth will never win them a ring...

It wouldn't diminish my opinion of Nash. I, like a lot of people, think it's their style (and coach) that holds them back. At the same time, D'Antoni (just like Nellie) truely believes that you can win that way and there's a first time for everything. I would never say that there's no way the Suns can win the le as they have as much or more talent than everyone else. I just wouldn't bet on them.

[mabber]

I think that almost every NBA coach would pick the Spurs Big 3 over the Mavs Big 3. Spurs have proven players who have shown they can each show up in the playoffs and in the clutch when it matters most at different points in their careers. Mavs big 3 still has yet to prove this. Regular season stat comparisons don't matter. Also Tim Duncan alone gives the Spurs Big Three an edge.

That being said, as everyone else mentioned, it's the rest of the Mavs team that is >>>>Spurs team, giving the Mavs the edge in a series.

I think the big 3 of each are fairly equal but until the Mavs win a le with their big 3 then you have to take Duncan/Manu/Parker. What would be fun to see is a 3 on 3 game between them. Dirk & Duncan would score a lot that's for sure as neither can guard each other.

[mabber]

That's very true. I was watching the Mavs vs Cavs game and they had the most interesting stat of all:

Josh Howard only averages about 3 Points in the 4th quarter of games this season. That's incredible considering how many points he averages overall.

And Stackhouse is the main killer. He's the ultimate 6th man, instant offense off the bench. Whenever the Mavs start off slow or sluggish all Avery has to do is insert Stackhouse and he scores and the rest of the Mavs catch up.

Avery never calls plays for Josh in the 4th quarter for some reason. In tight games, Avery calls the pick 'n roll with Dirk & JET 90% of the time. I was just thinking the other night that maybe Avery should call a few plays for Josh late in games just to show the other teams something different.

[FromWayDowntown]

I know, I was just kidding.

I know you were.

There isn't always a emoticon to express that understanding.