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    everyone says marion is overrated
    he sucks in the postseason
    Especially against Bowen who has made him his personal whipping boy.

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    I like the Suns more than the Spurs, but seriously, what is Mike smoking that makes him think the Suns are individually better? The rest of the team depends too much on Steve.
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    Suns starting Thomas is akin to the Mavs trotting out Devean George ( ) in game one against the Warriors. D'Antoni is changing the iden y of his team to match up with his opponent, evidence that the Spurs are in his head, like Don Nelson was in Avery's.

    The Suns aren't used to this starting lineup, so it'll be an adjustment for THEM, and as if Thomas can 'shut down' Duncan, the best he will be able to do is make things a little more difficult for him, but he will still get his.

    If D'Antoni thinks slowing things down (which playing Thomas morewill do) will work against the Spurs, Pop must be laughing somewhere...

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    Somebody mentioned it earlier...I think Thomas will have early success on Tim but only until Tim figures him out.

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    HORRIBLE examples.

    The Yankees are the complete opposite of the Spurs. They buy a huge number of high $ players every year without bothering to worry about chemistry.

    The USSR hockey team had the best players AND the experience.

    The Suns may or may not have the best players -- they certainly don't have a big game experience advantage against the Spurs.

    The Lakers were a primary example of what happens when the best players (past tense) meet a solid team who matches up well against them.

    An old Malone, an aging Payton, and whoever else you'd like to stick in the 5th spot does not mean you have the best players.
    Exactly, the Yankees are the opposite. But to say that they haven't had the better players throughout the years when they've gotten bounced in the Playoffs is insane.

    I'm saying the Suns are a better example of the Yankees because they have extremely talented players, but they're not gelling like they should... unlike the Spurs do... hence, the Spurs have the better TEAM.

    Next up, that Pistons squad was the much better TEAM again... put Finley in place of Payton and you don't think he would have played better than him? It's all about will, desire, and chemistry... and chokers like Payton (until last year) and Malone didn't have that.

    The USSR team is more like the Spurs, actually, in terms of their experience, but I needed to fill it up with a few more examples. , I could even throw the 92-93 Fab 5 Squads on there... to make back-to-back le games as Freshmen and Sop re and NOT win? That's an example of having more talent, but not getting the job done.

    , how about the Colts - everyone would highlight how much more talent they had, but they kept losing in the POs to the better coached, more finely-tuned squad of veteran players... until this year.

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    Something was working for them to get this far. I am not convinced that this change will ensure a win. Then again....I thought Alfredrick Hughes was going to be an all-star.
    Jones only started the last 8 or 9 games or so.

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    Somebody mentioned it earlier...I think Thomas will have early success on Tim but only until Tim figures him out.
    Am i the only one here that is scratching his head as to how Timmy could put up 33 and 16 in game 1 and have anyone questioning his abilities to own everyone of the Suns in game 2?

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    i think jmarkjohns is correct here - the suns didn't have much trouble guarding duncan in the first quarter - the second half is where he really started to assert himself.

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    Am i the only one here that is scratching his head as to how Timmy could put up 33 and 16 in game 1 and have anyone questioning his abilities to own everyone of the Suns in game 2?
    It is just like everyone saying that Duncan owned Amare, when he went for 20 points, 18 board, and 5 blocks.

    I do concede that Duncan had the better game, but it's not like he had a bad game like Ginobili.

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    It is just like everyone saying that Duncan owned Amare, when he went for 20 points, 18 board, and 5 blocks.

    I do concede that Duncan had the better game, but it's not like he had a bad game like Ginobili.
    Well Amare did not shoot it well from the field though. He does not have the same explosion he did in 2005 so 37 a game won't happen this time around. Amare is a great offensive player not as complete a one as Tim but still great so he will get his numbers nomatter who is guarding him.

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    Well Amare did not shoot it well from the field though. He does not have the same explosion he did in 2005 so 37 a game won't happen this time around. Amare is a great offensive player not as complete a one as Tim but still great so he will get his numbers nomatter who is guarding him.
    I do agree with this. The Suns also don't want Amare going off for 37 in this series, unless he is scoring on fast break points, or second chance points. The Suns want to move the ball around, especially to the 3 point shooters.

    Why do you think Pop has made it a huge point to stop the 3 point shooters, and make Nash a shooter? Amare is an afterthought to those two points.

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    The lineup that would scare me is Nash, Barbosa, Bell, Marion, and Thomas. Then bring Amare off the bench.

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    The lineup that would scare me is Nash, Barbosa, Bell, Marion, and Thomas. Then bring Amare off the bench.
    It would scare me too... :grim

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    The lineup that would scare me is Nash, Barbosa, Bell, Marion, and Thomas. Then bring Amare off the bench.
    The problem with Barbosa right now, is that he hasn't learned how to score without the basketball. (nobody say anything) Right now, he is like Iverson, Carmelo and Kobe where he has to have the ball in his hands to create for himself. Barbosa is not going to get the ball all the time, in lieu of the MVP, so that takes away from his effectiveness.

    There is a reason why the Suns can build leads when Nash goes to the bench for his customary rests. Barbosa is free to dominate the ball.

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    The lineup that would scare me is Beno, Oberto, Barry, Elson, and Bonner

    That means the Suns are getting blown out.

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    The problem with Barbosa right now, is that he hasn't learned how to score without the basketball. (nobody say anything) Right now, he is like Iverson, Carmelo and Kobe where he has to have the ball in his hands to create for himself. Barbosa is not going to get the ball all the time, in lieu of the MVP, so that takes away from his effectiveness.

    There is a reason why the Suns can build leads when Nash goes to the bench for his customary rests. Barbosa is free to dominate the ball.
    For those same reasons, Barbosa is ineffective when Nash is on the bench because he's bleeding profusely in the last 45 seconds.

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    The problem with Barbosa right now, is that he hasn't learned how to score without the basketball. (nobody say anything) Right now, he is like Iverson, Carmelo and Kobe where he has to have the ball in his hands to create for himself. Barbosa is not going to get the ball all the time, in lieu of the MVP, so that takes away from his effectiveness.

    There is a reason why the Suns can build leads when Nash goes to the bench for his customary rests. Barbosa is free to dominate the ball.
    Then start Jones and bring Barbosa and Stoudemire off the bench.

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    Then start Jones and bring Barbosa and Stoudemire off the bench.
    I'd rather start Amare and bring Marion off of the bench.

    Nash, Barbosa, Bell, Amare, Thomas.

    When Diaw plays like he played in last year's playoffs, that is our normal starting lineup. He has struggled this year.

    Nash, Bell, Diaw, Marion, and Amare.

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    I'd rather start Amare and bring Marion off of the bench.

    Nash, Barbosa, Bell, Amare, Thomas.
    You lose three point shooting at the four spot.

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    You lose three point shooting at the four spot.
    Our 4 spot (Marion) is not a good 3 point shooter. Diaw is horrible as well. Marion, like Bowen, is only good in the corners.

    Our 3 best 3 point shooters would be on the floor.

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    Marion 31%

    Diaw 33%

    Not consistent enough... Tim Thomas was best 3pt shooting 4 we rented for the PO's last year.

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    The threat of Marion spotting up behind the arc opens it up for Nash in the halfcourt offense. Even though he doesn't shoot a great percentage, the Spurs must account for him. They can't just leave him wide open to shoot the three.
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    The threat of Marion spotting up behind the arc opens it up for Nash. Even though he doesn't shoot a great percentage, the Spurs must account for him. They can't just leave him wide open to shoot the three.
    Marion staying out at the 3, is worse for the Suns. He needs to be cutting and slashing to the basket where he can get rebounds and second chance points.

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    Marion staying out at the 3, is worse for the Suns. He needs to be cutting and slashing to the basket where he can get rebounds and second chance points.
    The lineup I am suggesting would only have one big in the lineup which means it's small ball. Marion would be at the four. I agree. Marion at the three would be great for a team like the Spurs but not the Suns.

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    Me at the 3... I'm Mike Vick, .

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