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Damn, exstatic hit a grand slam on that suma .Having ploto for a fan.
Maybe Brown and Ferry can rebuild his confidence. Best of luck to him.
Damn, exstatic hit a grand slam on that suma .Having ploto for a fan.
james deserves beno
Not really a better source than Vecsey :
http://www.draftexpress.com/blogs.php?blogid=3
#28 + Udrih for a trade exception + a future first is a quite good deal to me.San Antonio and Cleveland are talking trade right now, as the Cavs are very anxious to get into this draft and find a piece that might help them in their efforts to return to the finals next year. Their owner is supposedly firmly behind them, and they could try to buy a pick in the late first round (Phoenix and Philly’s picks are available at 29 and 30). If they don’t, it’s possible they trade a future pick for San Antonio’s late first rounder and also nab Danny Ferry’s favorite, Beno Udrih in the process.
That's the exact trade Marcus Bryant said in the draft chat that Mr. Body shouted down. I wouldn't want the Spurs to make the trade but it's very possible they would.
trade exceptions dont ing guard Dirk Nowitzki.
This is complete and utter bull .
this spurs, your supposed to be goddamn getting better!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think a trade exception would guard Dirk better than Beno could.
One of the deepest drafts in recent history and the Spurs will just punt away.
" getting younger"
Yeah great move RC and company.
Absolute bull .
They don't learn .
Trading the #28 for a future first is an ok deal to me.
The 28th and 33rd picks are very close picks : only 4 players will be picked between them. If a player is available at 28, he will likely be available at 33.
Do Spurs need the 28th and 33rd pick ?
I'm not sure of that.
Spurs are maybe the nba team with the most bigmen : up to 8 PF/C could be with Spurs next year. Spurs are fine at SG with Manu and James White who was last year 31st pick and who has had a quite good rookie season with SA.
Spurs can use a pick on a PG and a pick on a SF/small ball PF. I see nothing wrong with drafting a PG (even more if it's a combo guard) but I'm not sure that the draft is the best solution to get a SF.
A SF/PF is spurs biggest priority (Pop said it). Do you think that a player like Dominic McGuire, Jared Dudley or Wilson Chandler is the answer ? I don't, it's not enough. Spurs should get their SF/PF via FA/trade.
Dumping Beno's contract will allow Spurs to have more flexibility money wise and roster spot wise. Trading the 28th for a future first will give Spurs another asset to get via trade a SF/PF this summer or at the trade deadline.
The conclusion is:
That's the exact trade Marcus Bryant said in the draft chat that Mr. Body shouted down. I wouldn't want the Spurs to make the trade but it's very possible they would.
1) Marcus Bryant has deep connections with the Spurs or Cavs front offices,
or,
2) Jonathan Givony or someone else at DX is ripping trade ideas off from Spurs Talk
As long as the spurs add a back up PG and a SF i could care less how they do it. Just do it.
3) You should never shout anyone down because you never have a clue.
The trade is nonsense to me. Cleveland receives the top two items in the trade: 1) a shooter they need, 2) the pick they are desperate for.
Meanwhile, the Cavs would have had the #22 pick this year. There is no indication they'll stop getting the #22 for the next several years.
So basically the Spurs are getting 6 draft spots and making up for the mistake of picking up Udrih's option for the right not to draft in this year's first round.
I guess it's possible. It might mean White and Butler are definitely staying and there is no room for anyone besides the new young point guard. It might mean the Spurs don't really care for what they see at the end of the round.
I don't see why the Spurs do Cleveland such a favor. Udrih + 33 makes more sense to me, but whatever. If it happens, it truly sucks and will speak to a real weakness in the Spurs' scouting capabilities (domestically) - it shows a total lack of confidence and we'll be assured of some threads of kvetching over the couple players (btw. 28 and 33) we failed to take this year - worse, anyone subsequently picked, since we only came away with one player from this draft, someone like Zabian Dowdell.
28 and Udrih for a future first isn't a fantastic trade but I could live with it as long as the Spurs get a decent player at 33. Udrih right now has negative trade value. Who would even give you a second round pick for him right now without making you take something back?
A future first rounder from Cleveland could be good. They only won 50 games this year. If LeBron misses games, the pick could end up in the 15-18 range.
Again, I wouldn't love the trade, but it is a trade that goes along the lines of trades we've seen from the Spurs before.
It'd basically be a future first rounder most likely between 18-26, $1.7M in salary off the books and an extra roster spot that the 33rd pick can fill for the third to last pick in the first round. Thinking about it like that makes the trade seem pretty decent.
Unless Beno is traded, there isn't even really a roster spot for the 33rd pick. Put Mahinmi/Scola in place of Ely, re-sign everyone else and the team would be full.
For those thinking this could be a really good pick in the future, Cleveland would put this under heavy lottery protection going forward, as is typical. I can see this trade happening. The player there at 28 was the same longshot as always, but it does mean all the Spurs are expecting from this draft is a back-up point guard. But then, the Spurs got where they are not from daring but by being conservative. I could go with punting the pick instead of taking Jared Dudley, then taking Dowdell.
The real problem is that this team, plus Dowdell plus Mahinmi, is not any better than what we had last year. We did win the championship, but we still don't look any more competent vs. Dallas.
the not so good part of this deal would be, that this is a very deep draft and the upcomming draft 2008 isn't looking deep at all. so the #28 pick this year might enable to get more quality than the mentioned #22 pick next year.
so I do think that some more pieces would be part of the package.
don't forget that the Cavs could add Shannon Brown. he might be somehow intriguing, even if he had a very bad first year (and injured himself when he started to look better). Cavs picked 2 similar players last year (Brown and Gibson) and the success of Gibson will put him far ahead of Brown.
I don't know, if Brown could find a place at the Spurs, but he is a good defender (at least could become one) and has a good reputation as being coachable and a hard worker.
but if the Spurs want to save money, this isn't a option. in this case they might just ask for another future 2nd rounder along with this years 1st rounder.
I don't imagine the Spurs want to take on another unproven player out of the deal, Shannon Brown or otherwise. Part of the appeal for them would be to clean out the salary, open the roster spot. I'd guess moving the draft pick from this year to next (or 2009) is actually secondary to the other benefits: there are too many young players on the team as there is.
From a fan's perspective it sucks, but there is a strangulated logic to it.
How big would the trade exception be? If it's the size of Beno's current contract, what the could they go out and get with that at deadline time? Tell me it's some automatic $5M exception that the Spurs could use on a gunner/expiring contract at the deadline to put them over the hump....
With so many good prospects potentially there, I'm not in love with this deal....but I guess I might have to live with it.
The good thing about a trade exception is that if someone talented, like White last year, were to get caught in a numbers game at the end of camp this year, we'd be first in line.
Danny obviously didn't learn much while he was here if he wants a late first rounder.
The Spurs need to find a taker for Udrih and his $1.7 mil or whatever salary in 2007-08 and they probably do not want any salary coming back. I'm still not buying that they no longer care about the lux tax. They cannot be that keen on using #28 on a domestic player, after all they have the #33 as well as White, Butler, and Mahinmi if he joins the team this summer. That's enough inexperienced/rookie talent for a Spurs team trying to win championships now. Cleveland doesn't have any picks and of course there is the Ferry/Brown connection. Cleveland gets value (presumably) for its trade exception and a pick this year. Spurs get rid of an unwanted guaranteed contract and a pick they don't really want (unless one of Fernandez, Belinelli, and Splitter are available).
It's not easy finding teams who will want to deal with the champs. Atlanta comes to mind. In any event, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs deal their 1st rounder on Thursday night. As for Beno, he looks like a goner and at this point a change of scenery would serve him well professionally. Also, it can't hurt to have a working deal relationship with some teams in the league.
Spurs fans are so -bent on getting one over on every move the Spurs make, from players to other team's front offices. Like it or not you have to let the other side feel like they've gotten something out of a deal besides the privilege of shining Peter Holt's boots.
Whatever pick the Spurs get from Cleveland will just be burned to get rid of some future signing mistake anyways.
Barry/Beno stays. Everybody stays. And they go for a repeat.
But there will be some adjustments:
-Oberto starts 82 games. Elson plays the blowouts
-Voughn&co retires after a repeat, so Pop will give him a season to remember.
-Barry and Beno both play mostly with the young bigs, White and Bonner.
-Horry, Voughn and Finley won't see much of their minutes. Maybe even Bowen.
The next season Spurs switch generations. I am sure of that.
Don't be so sure. Depending on how bad Cleveland wants a deal that gives them a point guard who could start for them, they could go a bit easy on that, say top 5 protected.
Conservative is going with Vaughn as your backup point guard and paying close to the minimum for the 3rd point guard instead of $1.7 mil next season.The player there at 28 was the same longshot as always, but it does mean all the Spurs are expecting from this draft is a back-up point guard. But then, the Spurs got where they are not from daring but by being conservative. I could go with punting the pick instead of taking Jared Dudley, then taking Dowdell.
The player at #28 is a longshot. If they have one or more of Fernandez, Belinelli, and Splitter highly rated then perhaps they will keep #28.
They'll get better via a larger trade or in free agency with their MLE.The real problem is that this team, plus Dowdell plus Mahinmi, is not any better than what we had last year. We did win the championship, but we still don't look any more competent vs. Dallas.
Give Beno to Tau in exchange for waiving Scola's buyout.
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