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    I wouldn't mind it. You do Marion + 24 for Sheed + 14. Then you trade Diaw straight up for Artest. Then you put out this starting lineup:

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    That's a pretty vicious team on the fast break and also defensively.
    That wouldnt even be fair, it would be like some NBA Live team

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    I wouldn't mind it. You do Marion + 24 for Sheed + 14. Then you trade Diaw straight up for Artest. Then you put out this starting lineup:

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    That's a pretty vicious team on the fast break and also defensively.
    Diaw straight up for Artest why don't you just take Wade for Kurt Thomas while you are at it.

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    Diaw straight up for Artest why don't you just take Wade for Kurt Thomas while you are at it.
    I'm pretty sure that Sac-town is going to give up Artest for a bag of peanuts. They'd do that trade in a heartbeat.

    Oh yeah, and also in my dream Sun's offseason scenario, we demote Mike D'Antoni to team clown so that he can travel around and make stupid faces at the other team.

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    I'm pretty sure that Sac-town is going to give up Artest for a bag of peanuts. They'd do that trade in a heartbeat.

    Oh yeah, and also in my dream Sun's offseason scenario, we demote Mike D'Antoni to team clown so that he can travel around and make stupid faces at the other team.
    The guy is a pretty big cancer on any team he has been on. In spite of his talent you really think the Suns would take a chance on him. Every place he has gone there has been trouble.

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    The guy is a pretty big cancer on any team he has been on. In spite of his talent you really think the Suns would take a chance on him. Every place he has gone there has been trouble.
    I think with guys like Nash and Garnett to keep him in check, and with him playing for an actualy contender, we could bring him back to the old Ron Artest who was a top fifteen player in the league. And if he doesn't work out, we need to dump Diaw's god awful salary.

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    I think with guys like Nash and Garnett to keep him in check, and with him playing for an actualy contender, we could bring him back to the old Ron Artest who was a top fifteen player in the league. And if he doesn't work out, we need to dump Diaw's god awful salary.
    I know we really went into this but do you really think you are getting KG? Amare is what 24 years old are they really going to try and dump him for KG?

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    I know we really went into this but do you really think you are getting KG? Amare is what 24 years old are they really going to try and dump him for KG?
    Garnett is a better team guy, a better defender, a better rebounder, and a better passer than Stoudemire. That's pretty well do ented and indisputable. I feel that with Garnett you get somebody who's going to give you a better chance to win the le than with Stoudemire.

    Also, age doesn't tell the whole story. Let's just asume that Garnett still has four more years playing at this high level. In about four years time, while Amare might still only be 28, he'll also be going under the knife for a second microfracture surgery.

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    Garnett is a better team guy, a better defender, a better rebounder, and a better passer than Stoudemire. That's pretty well do ented and indisputable. I feel that with Garnett you get somebody who's going to give you a better chance to win the le than with Stoudemire.

    Also, age doesn't tell the whole story. Let's just asume that Garnett still has four more years playing at this high level. In about four years time, while Amare might still only be 28, he'll also be going under the knife for a second microfracture surgery.
    I really think this all talk given the nature of the size of the contracts we are talking about here. I don't think the Suns see Amare as you do he is young and had a big bounce back season. They may be thinking well when Nash goes we have to build around Amare as oppossed to having nothing when both Nash and KG are all done.

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    well noah worked out for the suns so who knows what the is going on

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    I really think this all talk given the nature of the size of the contracts we are talking about here. I don't think the Suns see Amare as you do he is young and had a big bounce back season. They may be thinking well when Nash goes we have to build around Amare as oppossed to having nothing when both Nash and KG are all done.
    Ask the heat if they regret mortgaging their future for a le.

    As for Amare, for me the real concern is how he does after that second surgery.

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    Ask the heat if they regret mortgaging their future for a le.

    As for Amare, for me the real concern is how he does after that second surgery.
    Is that what has to happen with Microfracture you need at least 2 surgeries a few years apart? If so then the Wolves are not going to want Amare at all they would rather keep KG.

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    ill take kg over amare any day...kg is a complete player!!! amare couldnt guard a post player to save his life..kg is one of the best in the league!!! amare was just a freak athlete and while he still is very athletic he isnt the same...he wont ever come close to average 25pts a game in his career...he will fall off whenever he loses nash..kg is already good..but can u imagine him with nash..i mean the best team garnett had was with old sam cassell and latrell spreewell..it just shows put kg around a good cast and he will go somewhere...i really do not want kg going to phx...makes the west even more dominant than it already is

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    Ask the heat if they regret mortgaging their future for a le.

    As for Amare, for me the real concern is how he does after that second surgery.
    Is it simply a given that sometime in the future the surgery will needed, or is it already planned and scheduled. In any case what is the best case senario as far as rehab time? Any other ballers recoop from something like this? Hate to see the career for someone so young and talented cut short.

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    Is it simply a given that sometime in the future the surgery will needed, or is it already planned and scheduled. In any case what is the best case senario as far as rehab time? Any other ballers recoop from something like this? Hate to see the career for someone so young and talented cut short.
    I'm not totally sure about it, but I believe I heard that most people have to get surgery like every four years. However, it affects everybody differently, so nothing is a given. Amare is really one of the first guys to get it at his age. Typically if it's a player like Jason Kidd, then he's already in his thirties so the surgery isn't much of a concern.

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    I'm not totally sure about it, but I believe I heard that most people have to get surgery like every four years. However, it affects everybody differently, so nothing is a given. Amare is really one of the first guys to get it at his age. Typically if it's a player like Jason Kidd, then he's already in his thirties so the surgery isn't much of a concern.
    If that is true than you can forget about getting KG. Wolves would be nuts to take anything but Amare back for him and at the same time nuts to take him given the health issues he may have ahead of him.

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    If that is true than you can forget about getting KG. Wolves would be nuts to take anything but Amare back for him and at the same time nuts to take him given the health issues he may have ahead of him.
    I was looking at wikipedia, but I didn't see anything so all of this could be moot because I'm wrong. Anybody know what the story is with microfracture?

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    what is phx's problem? ...i'd trade Amare for KG, no question.

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    I was looking at wikipedia, but I didn't see anything so all of this could be moot because I'm wrong. Anybody know what the story is with microfracture?
    No but Kidd had it done a few years ago and as far as i know there are no plans to have it done again.

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    No but Kidd had it done a few years ago and as far as i know there are no plans to have it done again.
    That's probably because he'll be close to retired by then so there really isn't a reason to. Didn't C-Webb have it twice? I'm pretty sure that K-Mart did also.

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    That's probably because he'll be close to retired by then so there really isn't a reason to. Didn't C-Webb have it twice? I'm pretty sure that K-Mart did also.
    Well if it is something that has to be done every few years than he is pretty much untradeable. Such a serious surgery to have to bounce back from once and he is not all the way back to what he was in 05 so further surgeries would only limit him further.

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    o really...so why has garnett aged better than tim duncan?? maybe because tims body has been through alot longer seasons and what not!!! and 35 is just the magic number or what?? u act like garnett does not have any fundamentals..
    no, i'm saying that if you were willing to take a break from pulling stuff out of your ass, you'd see that the list of players who were as productive at 35 as they were in their prime is an EXTREMELY short one. this is true even amongst the all-time greats.

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    no, i'm saying that if you were willing to take a break from pulling stuff out of your ass, you'd see that the list of players who were as productive at 35 as they were in their prime is an EXTREMELY short one. this is true even amongst the all-time greats.
    Nobody really not even Jordan his team was so great around him by age 35 that he did not have to carry the load as much as he did in the past.

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    If that happens I'm looking forward to see SA/PHX game. I want to see Garnett and Duncan in an iso play.

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    If that happens I'm looking forward to see SA/PHX game. I want to see Garnett and Duncan in an iso play.
    Would be cool to see that if the Suns get him but they are going to have to give up Amare and more to get it done. With what they will lose they are not going to have a stacked team it will be more along the lines of well will KG be the difference as oppossed to they are so deep it is a lock for the le.

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    Just reading Truehoop, and one of his readers came up with a 3-way trade scenario that lands Garnett in Phoenix WITHOUT them giving up Stoudamire. It's a scary thought. If Phoenix can throw Garnett and Stoudamire at Duncan, that might be more than even he could handle... and that's not any sort of diss on Tim.

    http://myespn.go.com/nba/truehoop

    (it's the biggest paragraph in the "Friday bullets")

    I don't think it will happen though.

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